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Timbuk3 Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 06:43 PM
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Enough, already
Edited on Thu Jul-20-06 06:45 PM by Timbuk3
We're watching the total breakdown, the total failure, of Bush/Neocon philosophy.

The Taliban are retaking cities in Afghanistan.

Iraq is in full-on civil war, and even our puppet there has made a public statement of support for Hezbollah.

NK is launching missiles, Iran is developing nukes, and the only branch of our military that has any respect left around the world is our ability to launch an air war. Once that's done, the whole world knows we can't win the hearts and minds it takes to get our boots OFF the ground. Thank our inept "leadership" (if you're still bold enough to call it that) in Iraq for that.

"Spreading democracy" ends up in the election of governments, or at least politicians, who are as hostile to Israel as the one that came before them and the one that will come after them.

"Kill 'em all" and "democracy at the point of a gun" aren't working.

The peace accords signed by Jordan and Egypt HAVE worked.

Let me repeat that.

ONLY the peace accords signed by Jordan and Egypt HAVE worked.

It's not that I'm taking sides in this. AFAIC, both Israel and Lebanon are wrong on this. AFAIC both sides will lose this war, sooner or later. AFAIC both sides are getting exactly what they've been asking for.

But I'm apalled at the reaction of the rabid right, and the way America is moving to match their POV. To them, Bush still isn't radical enough, Israel isn't violent enough, not enough blood has been shed to satiate them. Israel is 100% right, America is 100% right, anyone who disagrees is...you guessed it...a "terrorist." The word "terrorist" has lost all meaning. Like the boy who cried wolf, the neocons and their supporters have finally reached the point where "terrorist" means "anyone who's not a neocon." The NY Times are "terrorists." The Supreme Court are "terrorists." Liberals are "terrorist sympathizers." Even the duly-elected officals of one of those "spread democracies" are "terrorists." On and on and on we go, until no one who can think about a subject for more than 30 seconds at a time believes what they hear about "terrorists" any more. (Is bin Laden a "terrorist", or is he "margarineralized"? I can't keep track, any more.)

You want peace in the middle east? We're going to have to *WORK* for it. The President of the United States is going to have to get the leaders of Lebanon and Israel, Syria and Israel, yeah, even Iran and Israel to sit down at a table and hammer out an agreement that allows Israel to survive, but both sides to leave with their dignity intact. And that can't start until we yank the choke chain on our attack dog and tell it to "sit."

I would be remiss in not mentioning that THIS President of the United States lacks the international respect to accomplish this.

He couldn't even get them to agree to a back rub.

We have the government we deserve.

I don't believe we live in a utopia. The right thing won't happen. Not with the bunch of incompetent, greedy, corrupt, power before all else morons we have running this country. It's not a question of *IF* they'll fuck it up, but how badly.

Both Israel and Lebanon deserve better than we've given them.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 06:46 PM
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1. Well said, Timbuk3! nt
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Timbuk3 Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 06:55 PM
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7. Thanks
I was having one of those "I don't know how much more of this lunacy I can take before my head explodes" kind of days, and putting it in writing helps.

If you're the type who prays, pray that we can start setting this country back on course this November.

Better yet, if you're NOT the type who prays, do whatever you can to support progressive candidates who are pledged to stem this awful tide of failure. The conservatives couldn't pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were on the heel. We need leadership who AREN'T running scared from one fire to another.

So thanks for the kicks and votes, but if you REALLY want to make someone happy (like the next two or three generations of Americans), let's all work our asses off to clean house in November.
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 06:47 PM
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2. Kick
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 06:49 PM
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3. thanks. . . . n/t
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 06:49 PM
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4. all war all the time usually results in ...
more war ...

great post ... k&r ...
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Timbuk3 Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 07:03 PM
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9. Reminds me of the saying
An eye for an eye ends up with a lot of blind people running into each other.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 06:50 PM
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5. the only ones winning right now are the neocons
it reminded me so much of the initial march into Iraq, we marched in there with shock and
awe, this is the same, only it created a groundswell of opposition from the citizenry that is
threatening to engulf us; the same will probably happen to Israel; it is down the road; they
are still at the "clean strike" stage.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 06:52 PM
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6. Good post. But, no amount of facts can sway people who make
up their core values from out of thin air and then buttress those fallacies with other fabricated ideas. They are hopeless. Unless they are soon thrown out of power, the human race is about to make a quick exit from the planet. (At least what's left of the plants and animals can have some respite.)
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 06:56 PM
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8. Thank you for posting this.
:hug:
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 07:45 PM
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10. Neocon plan succeeding brilliantly
Divide and conquer Muslims worldwide: Shiite versus Sunni, moderate versus radical, Arab versus non-Arab, etc.

Any attack on American civilians can serve as a pretext for massive military retaliation (with overwhelming public support).

Anyone who tries to cut off our oil will face our full fury. We will seize the oil fields and sea lanes and turn the rest of the region into smoldering rubble. BUU-WAH-HA-HA-HA-HAAA!
:evilgrin:


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DianaForRussFeingold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 08:22 PM
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11. I beg to differ with you! We have the government Diebold stole!
Edited on Thu Jul-20-06 09:10 PM by DianaForRussFeingold
:cry: That my friend is, An Inconvenient Truth :patriot: :patriot: :kick: How Bush Defeated Gore--The Real Story; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gwdNIxecwY&search=al%20gore Here's some comedy relief: "45 minutes of Daily Show election coverage . "Did you ever think that maybe you just wanted some of the best clips back to back? Then sit back and watch 45 minutes of entertainment". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jic7YLsn03g&search=colbert%20%20election%20 How To Steal An Election; (0:46) http://www.current.tv/studio/media/5970347 :kick:


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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 10:24 PM
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12. Yup. "It's not a question of *if* they'll fuck it up, but how badly."
Edited on Thu Jul-20-06 10:24 PM by Just Me
They don't care.

That's what most disturbs me is that,...they really REALLY do NOT care about the consequences or repercussions of their cultist-like "vision" because they are,...fucking "cultists".

Honestly, it scares the hell out of me,...these people who have no inherent sense of humanity, whatsoever, left due to their allegiance to a cultist ideology.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 10:31 PM
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13. we all deserve better in this world not to be dominated by
Edited on Thu Jul-20-06 10:31 PM by alyce douglas
some frat boy from Yale, who doesn't know shit about anything except his own greed and abuse of power.

We have no credibility no more, this country has a cancer that is spreading and it has to be surgically removed.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 10:33 PM
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14. The necrocon "foreign policy" is nothing but a sad, sick joke.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 11:13 PM
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15. .
:kick:
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