It seems to me that many of those who support Israel no matter what

[Lindacooks]

are just like the 'America - love it or leave it' crowd.

It is possible to love someone and still tell them when they're doing something wrong, something counterproductive. In fact, I think it's a moral imperative to do just that.

And Israel is only creating more problems with these heavy-handed responses that end up killing far more people than were affected in the first place.

[Bonobo]

1. More gas for the fire! Burn, burn, burn!

Thanks for contributing to the great feelings here! Yer special!

[Mandate My Ass]

5. No, it's a valid question

If you question a government's tactics, are you summarily dismissing the concerns of all the citizens who live there? Are you allying yourself unquestioningly with their enemies? Are you wishing for their destruction or continued persecution?

Methinks, NO.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

2. The my group right or wrong exists in lots of places. n/t

[k_jerome]

3. how about those that condemn Israel, no matter what?

who are they like?

[Lindacooks]

9. Same thing.

I would NEVER support my sister, for instance, who has a drug problem. I love her and I would try to help her heal herself.

I would NEVER support my brother, for instance, deliberately provoking violence somewhere.

You can't just blindly love without also criticizing. It's not possible. You're just harming everyone that way.

[k_jerome]

11. yet you single out Israel for some reason. nt.

[Lindacooks]

13. Because I see so many blind 'Israel, no matter what'

'Israel can do no wrong'

'Israel is just defending herself'

while innocent civilians DIE.

Sheesh, what is so hard to understand? I don't see anybody here saying 'Hezbollah, right or wrong'. Or defending Palestinian suicide bombers because they're 'defending themselves'. You people who are Zionist no matter what so blindly approve of EVERYTHING the Israeli government does that it's simply ridiculous.

[Mnemosyne]

4. Great call Linda. Hope you have your

suit on though.

I've been staying out of the I/L/S/H threads. I just hate the violence period and want it ended yesterday.

[Lindacooks]

7. I know. I just really think that needed to be said.

No one and nothing on this earth can be loved and just let go. Everything needs help, counsel, moderation, and advice when they do something so self-harmful.

[everythingsxen]

6. It seems to me that many of the attack drones who post

thread after thread about how evil Israel is for daring to defend themselves and how they are targeting civilians are simply channeling their own deep seeded hatreds and prejudices and no matter what evidence is presented will always declare that Israel is evil.

[eridani]

12. Right, just like people who oppose our pre-emptive war in Iraq

--are unAmerican and think that America is inherently evil.

[Lost-in-FL]

8. "You are either with us

or with the terrarists." :crazy:

[Lost-in-FL]

10. PLEASE VOTE!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1687401

[truedelphi]

14. What I find odd

Is that in Israel itself there are enough people opposed to the overly militaristic
approach that the government of Israel takes all the time. In their opposition they sometimes even take to the streets to have peace marches and anti-war events

Yet here in The USA it is difficult to speak out and state that you dislike anything
I mean FRI**nG anything
that Israel does now or did yesterday. NEVER EVER mention that you saw as evil a clearly evil action that Israeli military undertook because you then get this huge trouncng. You are anti-Semitic. You are Anti-Jewish, etc

No I refuse the labels. I am just against the part of Israel's approach where you see LIVE FOOTAGE on CNN of helicopter gunners shooting Palestinian KIDS as they leave a burning school building (It caught fire when Arafat's compound was bombed by the Israeli government.) Helicopters low to the ground. They clearly know they are shooting KIDS.

If that is not EVIL what is??

[Lindacooks]

15. Yep, you're right. I do not understand it.

NOTHING is that black and white.

[The Magistrate]

16. Locking

Flame-Bait and group attack.