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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 09:21 PM
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Israeli Children Signing Missiles - The COMPLETE Story
I still don't really approve of this, but I do think it's important to hear the whole story; this comes from the blog of Lisa Goldman, who is an EXCELLENT Israeli blogger (very lefty, as a matter-of-fact); I highly recommend her blog to you all. She explains the context of the missile signings that have outraged a lot of people.

Thursday, July 20

Putting things in perspective
by Lisa Goldman on Thu 20 Jul 2006 10:07 AM IDT


Sebastian Scheiner/AP

The image above caused a huge storm of outrage in the Arab blogosphere. Huge. You wouldn't believe how huge. The widely-read Gulf-based Palestinian blogger who was the first to post it received so much traffic that he had to move the photo to another server. Many others, including several I know personally, posted it and expressed their disgust. Israeli children taught to hate! Lebanese children are dying and they're happy! They're no better than... (fill in the blank, I don't want to go there).

Below is the story behind the photo - from the source.

I phoned Sebastian Scheiner, the Israeli photojournalist who took the photo for Associated Press (AP), explained that the image had given a really terrible impression and asked for the context. He sketched it out quickly and fluidly, but asked me not to quote him. So I spoke with Shelly Paz, a Yedioth Ahronoth reporter who was also at the scene and agreed immediately to go on record. She was quite shocked to learn how badly the photo had been misinterpreted and misrepresented; and she told me the same story Sebastian did, but with more details and nuance.

The little girls shown drawing with felt markers on the tank missiles are residents of Kiryat Shmona, which is right on the border with Lebanon. And when I say "on the border," I'm not kidding; there's little more space between their town and Southern Lebanon than there is between the back gardens of neighbouring houses in a wealthy American suburb.

No, how close is it really?

Well, there's a famous story in Israel, from the time when the Israeli army occupied Southern Lebanon: a group of soldiers stationed inside southern Lebanon used their mobile phones to order pizza from Kiryat Shmona and have it delivered to the fence that separates the two countries.

Anyway.

Kiryat Shmona has been under constant bombardment from South Lebanon since the first day of the conflict. It was a ghost town, explained Shelly. There was not a single person on the streets and all the businesses were closed. The residents who had friends, family or money for alternate housing out of missile range had left, leaving behind the few who had neither the funds nor connections that would allow them to escape the missiles crashing and booming on their town day and night. The noise was terrifying, people were dying outside, the kids were scared out of their minds and they had been told over and over that some man named Nasrallah was responsible for their having to cower underground for days on end.

On the day that photo was taken, the girls had emerged from the underground bomb shelters for the first time in five days. A new army unit had just arrived in the town and was preparing to shell the area across the border. The unit attracted the attention of twelve photojournalists - Israeli and foreign. The girls and their families gathered around to check out the big attraction in the small town - foreigners. They were relieved and probably a little giddy at being outside in the fresh air for the first time in days. They were probably happy to talk to people. And they enjoyed the attention of the photographers.

Apparently one or some of the parents wrote messages in Hebrew and English on the tank shells to Nasrallah. "To Nasrallah with love," they wrote to the man whose name was for them a devilish image on television - the man who mockingly told Israelis, via speeches that were broadcast on Al Manar and Israeli television, that Hezbollah was preparing to launch even more missiles at them. That he was happy they were suffering.

The photograpers gathered around. Twelve of them. Do you know how many that is? It's a lot. And they were all simultaneously leaning in with their long camera lenses, clicking the shutter over and over. The parents handed the markers to the kids and they drew little Israeli flags on the shells. Photographers look for striking images, and what is more striking than pretty, innocent little girls contrasted with the ugliness of war? The camera shutters clicked away, and I guess those kids must have felt like stars, especially since the diversion came after they'd been alternately bored and terrified as they waited out the shelling in their bomb shelters.

Shelly emphasized several times that none of the parents or children had expressed any hatred toward the Lebanese people. No-one expressed any satisfaction at knowing that Lebanese were dying - just as Israelis are dying. Their messages were directed at Nasrallah. None of those people was detached or wise enough to think: "Hang on, tank shell equals death of human beings." They were thinking, tank shell equals stopping the missiles that land on my house. Tank shells will stop that man with the turban from threatening to kill us.

And besides, none of those children had seen images of dead people - either Israeli or Lebanese. Israeli television doesn't broadcast them, nor do the newspapers print them. Even when there were suicide bombings in Israel several times a week for months, none of the Israeli media published gory photos of dead or wounded people. It's a red line in Israel. Do not show dead, bleeding, torn up bodies because the families of the dead will suffer and children will have nightmares. And because it is just in bad taste to use suffering for propaganda purposes.

Those kids had seen news footage of destroyed buildings and infrastructure, but not of the human toll. They had heard over and over that the air force was destroying the buildings that belonged to Hezbollah, the organization responsible for shelling their town and threatening their lives. How many small children would be able to make the connection between tank shells and dead people on their own? How many human beings are able to detach from their own suffering and emotional stress and think about that of the other side? Not many, I suspect.

So, perhaps the parents were not wise when they encouraged their children to doodle on the tank shells. They were letting off a little steam after being cooped up - afraid, angry and isolated - for days. Sometimes people do silly things when they are under emotional stress. Especially when they fail to understand how their childish, empty gesture might be interpreted.

I've been thinking for the last two days about this photo and the storm of reaction it set off. I worry about the climate of hate that would lead people to look at it and automatically assume the absolute worst - and then use the photo to dehumanize and victimize. I wonder why so many people seem to take satisfaction in believing that little Israeli girls with felt markers in their hands - not weapons, but felt markers - are evil, or spawned by an evil society. I wonder how those people would feel if Israelis were to look at a photo of a Palestinian child wearing a mock suicide belt in a Hamas demonstration and conclude that all Palestinians - nay, all Arabs - are evil.

And I wonder why it is so difficult to think a little, to get it into our heads that television news and photojournalism manipulate our thoughts and emotions.

Links to anti-Israel websites with that photo placed prominently next to the image of a dead Lebanese child have been sent to me several times. Someone has been rushing around the Israeli blogosphere, leaving the link to one particularly abhorrent site in the comments boxes. And it makes me really sad that the emotional climate has deteriorated to this point.

The moderates of the Middle East are locked in a battle with the extremists. And look what they did to the moderates. Without blinking, without thinking, we fell victim to the classic "divide and conquer" technique. We work hard for months and years to build connections, develop our societies, educate ourselves, promote democracy and free speech... And they destroy it all, in less than a week. And we let them.

http://ontheface.blogware.com/



Also, whatever you all think of the incident after reading this, I encourage you to read the blog - it's a very good one and also includes several dialogues with Lebanese bloggers.

For that matter, if you're interested in Lebanese blogs, here are a couple good ones:

http://lebop.blogspot.com/

http://beirutspring.blogspot.com/

And a list of several bloggers in the region:

http://truthlaidbear.com/mideastcrisis.php
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 09:24 PM
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1. Fine-- Just remember that when folks call for the blood of others
when children are paraded from other sides doing similar things.

The stress levels-- year in and year out-- often by circumstances light years beyond their control--will affect people.

In other words-- to those who like to quote Golda "There are no Palestinians" Meir regarding loving ones children put that in your hookah and smoke it.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 09:31 PM
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10. that golda meir comment was obnoxious. I can't believe
anyone would put that in one of their posts and think it was a good thing. :puke:
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 09:34 PM
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13. It happens regularly-- par for the course
Suffice it to say, one will not find me at plays lionizing her life. (Of course I wouldn't be at a Reagan retrospective either)
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 07:35 AM
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35. Cool now i understand
why they wrote those messages and hate "the man in the turban" It all is very clear now. This whole fucking thing in the ME is a bad re-run of Spy Vs. Spy.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 09:27 PM
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"perhaps the parents were not wise when they encouraged their children..."
Ya THINK?!?!

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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 09:27 PM
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2. Sort of like all those kids in the ME - Arabs - who were celebrating
9-11. Turned out the photographers gave them candy to dance around for no reason. Amazing how wrong the news media is. And they just love to show crap like that without talking to anyone involved.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 08:00 AM
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37. IIRC, those were govt psyops cameramen, not actual journalists.
if its the event I"m thinking of.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 09:28 PM
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 09:28 PM
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4. Thank you.
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areo64 Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 09:30 PM
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6. Even this doesn't shame you?
You can be as Jewish as you want and still oppose the Jewish state; if you care about human rights, then why don't you?
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 09:31 PM
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11. Where the fuck did you come up with that?!
I simply said "Thank you!"
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areo64 Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 09:33 PM
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12. "Thank you" for rationalizing atrocious hatred...
...that will fan the flames of violence and horror in the future?
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 09:36 PM
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14. "Thank you"
...for providing MORE information!
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areo64 Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 10:13 PM
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22. The "more information" I think SHOULD be read to understand
the whole thing. Just as you can't reasonably write the Palestinians off as mindless fanatics if you don't look at the context at what created such fear and hatred in them.

But I hope the "thank you" didn't mean that the Israeli children were really just doing their part in defending Israel. They are not.
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 07:42 AM
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36. Mindless fanatics?
I don't think anybody in the pro-Israel camp in DU thinks Palestinians are mindless fanatics or write them off as mindless fanatics. We get upset with their leadership that teaches hatred toward Jews and glorify suicide bombers.
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areo64 Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 09:29 PM
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5. I appreciate reading the "whole story" but the event mostly speaks
for itself. It's the same as Arab children learning hatred of Jews from Israel's oppression. Not the same as in not on the same scale (Israel doesn't tend to get occupied), but it's the same principle.
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manic expression Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 09:30 PM
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7. To me, that makes absolutely no difference at all
but thanks for the info anyway.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 09:31 PM
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8. Just another generation getting tangled up in this
It's really, REALLY sad.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 09:31 PM
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9. I understand the situation better now, but it still doesn't detract from..
what I had said earlier. I had said it was foolish for IDF forces to even allow all those civilians near that ordnance in the first place. I would NEVER allow any civilian near that kind of ordnance.
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 09:41 PM
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15. This is pretty much exactly what I thought the story would be
and I'm still pretty much appalled by it.
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 10:12 PM
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21. Same here.
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helpman Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 02:47 PM
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45. Me too
n/t
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imperial jedi Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 09:01 PM
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47. me too.
Edited on Fri Jul-21-06 09:01 PM by imperial jedi
:cry:
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 09:42 PM
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16. There is that "They were letting off a little steam" thing again
And no I am not pissed off at the kids. But their parents are complete assholes.

Don
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 09:52 PM
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20. BINGO!
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 12:07 AM
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30. I was wondering whether it was going to be that or the
"all wars are ugly" rationalization...but we have a winner!
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 09:45 PM
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17. I am still disgusted
As disgusted as when I saw the Arab child with the terrorist belt on.

There IS cause and effect.

Those missiles are instruments of death. I doubt a single one will touch Nasrallah.

And any parent with a live brain cell knows this as well.

Do I believe all Israelis are so callous? Of course not.

I am a lucky person because my parents exposed us to different religions when I was a child. I sat in Temple and listened to the Torah and began the process of understanding and celebrating diversity. There is no hatred in me for anyone based on their faith or race. (Okay, so Southern Baptists piss me off, but I'd never harm any for our differences.)

There is hatred in me for the senseless deaths and the enmity that will never die as long as we feed it to our children with shovels.
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 10:16 PM
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24. These are tough times for anyone to even try to be objective.
Thank you. Shalom
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Ignoramus Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 09:47 PM
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18. I think there's confusion about what is thought to be the outrage
It is outrageous that there are children happily writing messages on shells. That's not saying "see they are villains". That misses the point.

There aren't evil villains like in some action movie version or reality, in the world. Anyone who commits a horrible act is doing it in reaction to something. It is the action that is horrible. You can't find the "first blood", or the person that is ultimately reponsible, or separate the good people from the bad people.

These girls are sick, they are victims of a cirumstance, just as an Israeli dropping boms or a Hezbollah fighter firing missles. They are all unfortunate sick people. The action is the only thing that is evil.
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 09:49 PM
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19. Hmm. Nope. It still makes me sick.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 10:13 PM
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23. thank you for sharing that information.
information is good, good to share information. thank you
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Karmakaze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 10:30 PM
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25. Highly misleading...
Here is another view of Kiryat Shmona:


The rumble of revenge is the only sound you hear. Constant cannon firing that is occasionally intercepted by the explosion of Katyusha rockets. Other than that, Kiryat Shmona is deadly silent.

<snip>

Luba Romanova, head of the regional council, confirms that people are scared, tired and stressed. "It's the continuous sound of blasts that gets to one, even the Israeli cannon firing makes such a huge noise," she sighed into the telephone, exhaustion evident in her voice.

"For five years since Israel withdrew from Lebanon, we've not used bomb shelters, we thought the danger was over. The city council has not spent enough money on maintenance of shelters, and as a result, many of them are in a very bad way."

<snip>

The local driving teacher, Moti Evan-Tzur, dramatically ponders my question over a long puff of his cigarette. Exhaling, he tells me he's not scared. Certainly when he compares the dozens of rockets that fell when he was a little boy with the "one-at-a-time now."

Kiryat Shmona has so far been hit by about two dozen rockets. "In the morning we have two hours to go buy something, and then I go back to the bunker. I spend my day watching television, going to the bunker, coming back from the bunker, hanging out with neighbors, and working at my computer. It's boring. But I think this operation is the best thing possible," says Evan-Tzur. "Before, we made cosmetics, now we'll finish them off."
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1153291951803&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Now ask yourself this question, what are IDF artillery pieces doing in Kiryat Shmona? Isn't that exactly the kind of thing the Israelis are accusing Hizballah of? Notice that during the whole period, 2 dozen rockets landed yet there is constant Israeli gunfire from there. If the situation was reversed, Im sure the town would have been flattened by IDF airstrikes.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 11:24 PM
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28. Interesting. Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon leads to--
--no need for bomb shelters. Fancy that.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 10:45 PM
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26. NO - it didn't help
It's nice to humanize the kids. Though I don't blame the kids. I don't buy the idea that Israeli parents/society don't teach their children to demonize others.


It's not surprising that there would be a huge outrage over this in the Arab blogosphere.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 11:04 PM
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27. How does this change anything? Her rationalizations and reversal of blame
to those of us who were horrified and distraught by this pictures makes me wonder honestly if she would have defended the children of Nazi's writing on weapons as well.

Seriously, what is the difference in this terrible, cruel, nonsensical killing and scapegoating of a people who have done absolutely nothing to deserve any of these death creating weapons being dropped on them? Tell me the difference between this and any murder of innocent people who have done nothing other than exist. There is none.

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cushla_machree Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 11:24 PM
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29. This is rich
It's a red line in Israel. Do not show dead, bleeding, torn up bodies because the families of the dead will suffer and children will have nightmares. And because it is just in bad taste to use suffering for propaganda purposes.

The children will have nightmares! Its bad taste people on both sides are dying!!!
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 08:03 AM
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38. well, chimp boy has the same strategy: if we don't see flag-draped coffins
we can't object to the violence being waged.
As long as there is no tangible perceived cost, wars are all benefits.

in a twisted leaders' mind, that is.

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no_to_war_economy Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 07:18 AM
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31. what a load of shit Lisa Goldman
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PaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 07:24 AM
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32. well gee, that makes me feel a lot better about it!!!
Such a sad situation.
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jarnocan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 07:25 AM
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33. they are just as human
as the 'kids' that dance around in jubilation when our helicopters are shot down, or a humvee is blown up, or that honor sucide bombers as heros.
Millions mourned with us ( a realtively few celabratd even then) when the twin towers fell, but I suspect if there is another major attack in the USA ; many MORE people including children will be dancing in the streets.
Reminds me of listening to Dennis Kucinich the other day on C-SPAN briefly.
We have to seek the common humanity of people, even some we may think of as terroist.
Bombs ultimately produce more terrorist than they kill.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 07:32 AM
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34. "doodling"
mmmmmkay.:eyes:
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mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 10:20 AM
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39. Kids should not be allowed to carry strong political messages... period
eom
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 10:50 AM
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40. wow, that was some great spin...
Lisa Goldman should work for the current mis-administration in the White House.

Wonder what she will write when a missle falls on one of those pretty little girls parents, but has flowers drawn on it from a Lebanese child.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 10:50 AM
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41. Hate leads to hate...
whether born out of action or influence.

We are not born hating, it's something we are taught.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 11:24 AM
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42. What's done is done.
Everyone will continue to view these photos through the filter of their own perspective of the conflict. So hard to be objective. I appreciate the extra information, but the photo still makes my stomach churn. If these were Lebanese children signing ordnance aimed at Israel, that would make me queasy, too.

Shame on the parents, shame on the photographers. Could they not have joined in a circle of prayer for peace? That would have sent a much more powerful, humane message. Always better to have propaganda on the side of hope than on the side of anger and fear.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 12:21 PM
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43. And this is supposed to make it okay?
:eyes:

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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 12:51 PM
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44. a thousand words is worth a picture? . . . just sayin' . . . n/t
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 05:34 PM
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46. "Sometimes people do silly things when they are under emotional stress."
Pleeeeeze! If that piece was supposed to make me feel sorry for a regional superpower who is intentionally destroying the infrastructure of a neighboe and targetting civilian populations, well guess what. It did not! Having the childres sign those missles is wrong and no amount of lame excuses will do ... especially lame excuses by the clear bully in this war of aggression.
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 06:15 AM
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48. words....words....words.....
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 08:00 AM
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49. You really expect me to believe this COMPLETE story?
"And when I say "on the border," I'm not kidding; there's little more space between their town and Southern Lebanon than there is between the back gardens of neighbouring houses in a wealthy American suburb.
...
Kiryat Shmona has been under constant bombardment from South Lebanon since the first day of the conflict. It was a ghost town, explained Shelly.
...
A new army unit had just arrived in the town and was preparing to shell the area across the border."


So naturally the Israeli parents and their children went to watch; in spite of the constant bombardment from South Lebanon ... GMAFB.
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Jeroen Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 09:08 AM
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50. Before we enter the vicious circle ourselves
If we blame or judge these children, or their parents, we enter the ‘vicious circle of hatred and lack of understanding’ ourselves.
By doing so we become, in a way, part of the conflict.

I sincerely believe that we should remain nonjudgmental (outsiders).
We should condemn the war, but not the poor souls on the battlefield.

We should try to be compassioned and willing to learn from what we see and experience.
I believe it is the only way forwards.

We have no prove that we would not kill, hate, destroy and rape when the time comes.
But from close observation we can only hope that we are not put to the test.
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