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JackNewtown Donating Member (703 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 09:24 PM
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The vote on the House Israel resolution was 410-8...
Edited on Thu Jul-20-06 09:43 PM by JackNewtown
This level of support for an unbalanced resolution (any differences with Jerusalem's line in the resolution?) speaks for itself. The US Congress is more "pro-Israel" than Israel's own legislative body, which has its share of moderate, pro-peace voices. We need to examine why this is oddly the case.

Read the resolution yourself:

109th CONGRESS

2d Session

H. RES. 921
Condemning the recent attacks against the State of Israel , holding terrorists and their state-sponsors accountable for such attacks, supporting Israel's right to defend itself, and for other purposes.


IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

July 18, 2006
Mr. BOEHNER (for himself, Mr. HYDE, and Mr. LANTOS) submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on International Relations


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


RESOLUTION
Condemning the recent attacks against the State of Israel , holding terrorists and their state-sponsors accountable for such attacks, supporting Israel's right to defend itself, and for other purposes.

Whereas on September 12, 2005, Israel completed its unilateral withdrawal from Gaza, demonstrating its willingness to make sacrifices for the sake of peace;

Whereas more than 1,000 rockets have been launched from Gaza into Israel since Israel's disengagement;

Whereas in a completely unprovoked attack that occurred in undisputed Israeli territory on June 25, 2006, Israeli Defense Forces Corporal Gilad Shalit was kidnapped and is being held hostage in Gaza by a Palestinian terrorist group which includes members of Hamas;

Whereas Hamas political leader Khaled Meshaal, in Damascus, Syria, has acknowledged the role of Hamas in holding Corporal Shalit hostage;

Whereas in a completely unprovoked attack that occurred in undisputed Israeli territory on July 12, 2006, operatives of the terrorist group Hezbollah operating out of southern Lebanon killed three Israeli soldiers and took two others hostage;

Whereas Israel fully complied with United Nations Security Council Resolution 425 (1978) by completely withdrawing its forces from Lebanon, as certified by the United Nations Security Council and affirmed by United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan on June 16, 2000, when he said, `Israel has withdrawn from in full compliance with Security Council Resolution 425.';

Whereas United Nations Security Council Resolution 1559 (2004) calls for the complete withdrawal of all foreign forces from Lebanon and the dismantlement of all independent militias in Lebanon;

Whereas despite the adoption of United Nations Security Council Resolution 1559, the Government of Lebanon has failed to disband and disarm Hezbollah, allowing Hezbollah instead to amass 13,000 rockets, including rockets that are more destructive, longer-range and more accurate than rockets previously used by Hezbollah, and has integrated Hezbollah into the Lebanese Government;

Whereas the Government of Israel has previously shown great restraint despite the fact that Hezbollah has launched at least four separate attacks into Israel using rockets and ground forces over the past year;

Whereas the failure of the Government of Lebanon to implement all aspects of United Nations Security Council Resolution 1559 and to extend its authority throughout its territory has enabled Hezbollah to launch armed attacks against Israel and recently to kidnap Israeli soldiers;

Whereas Hezbollah's strength derives significantly from the direct financial, military, and political support it receives from Syria and Iran, and Hezbollah also receives important support from sources within Lebanon;

Whereas Iranian Revolutionary Guards continue to operate in southern Lebanon, providing support to Hezbollah and reportedly controlling its operational activities;

Whereas the Government of the United States has enacted several laws, including the Syria Accountability and Lebanese Sovereignty Restoration Act of 2003 (Public Law 108-175) and the Iran and Libya Sanctions Act of 1996 (Public Law 104-172), which call for the imposition of sanctions on Syria and Iran for, among other things, their support for terrorism and terrorist organizations;

Whereas the House of Representatives has repeatedly called for full implementation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 1559;

Whereas section 1224 of the Foreign Relations Authorization Act, Fiscal Year 2003 (Public Law 107-228) withholds certain assistance to Lebanon contingent on the deployment of the Lebanese armed forces to the internationally recognized border between Lebanon and Israel and its effective assertion of authority in the border area in order, among other reasons, to prevent cross-border infiltration by terrorists, precisely the criminal activity that has provoked the current crisis;

Whereas President George W. Bush stated on July 12, 2006, `Hezbollah's terrorist operations threaten Lebanon's security and are an affront to the sovereignty of the Lebanese Government. Hezbollah's actions are not in the interest of the Lebanese people, whose welfare should not be held hostage to the interests of the Syrian and Iranian regimes.', and has repeatedly affirmed that Syria and Iran must be held to account for their shared responsibility in the recent attacks;

Whereas the United States recognizes that some members of the democratically-elected Lebanese parliament are working to build an autonomous and sovereign Lebanon and supports their efforts; and

Whereas both Hezbollah and Hamas refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist and call for the destruction of Israel : Now, therefore, be it


Resolved, That the House of Representatives--

(1) reaffirms its steadfast support for the State of Israel ;

(2) condemns Hamas and Hezbollah for engaging in unprovoked and reprehensible armed attacks against Israel on undisputed Israeli territory, for taking hostages, for killing Israeli soldiers, and for continuing to indiscriminately target Israeli civilian populations with their rockets and missiles;

(3) further condemns Hamas and Hezbollah for cynically exploiting civilian populations as shields, locating their equipment and bases of operation, including their rockets and other armaments, amidst civilian populations, including in homes and mosques;

(4) recognizes Israel's longstanding commitment to minimizing civilian loss and welcomes Israel's continued efforts to prevent civilian casualties;

(5) demands the Governments of Iran and Syria to direct Hamas and Hezbollah to immediately and unconditionally release Israeli soldiers which they hold captive;

(6) affirms that all governments that have provided continued support to Hamas or Hezbollah share responsibility for the hostage-taking and attacks against Israel and, as such, should be held accountable for their actions;

(7) condemns the Governments of Iran and Syria for their continued support for Hezbollah and Hamas in their armed attacks against Israelis and their other terrorist activities;

(8) supports Israel's right to take appropriate action to defend itself, including to conduct operations both in Israel and in the territory of nations which pose a threat to it, which is in accordance with international law, including Article 51 of the United Nations Charter;

(9) commends the President of the United States for fully supporting Israel as it responds to these armed attacks by terrorist organizations and their state sponsors;

(10) urges the President of the United States to bring the full force of political, diplomatic, and economic sanctions available to the Government of the United States against the Governments of Syria and Iran;

(11) demands the Government of Lebanon to do everything in its power to find and free the kidnapped Israeli soldiers being held in the territory of Lebanon;

(12) calls on the United Nations Security Council to condemn these unprovoked acts and to take action to ensure full and immediate implementation of United Nations Security Council 1559 (2004), which requires Hezbollah to be dismantled and the departure of all Syrian personnel and Iranian Revolutionary Guards from Lebanon;

(13) expresses its condolences to all families of innocent victims of recent violence; and

(14) declares its continued commitment to working with Israel and other United States allies in combating terrorism worldwide.
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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 09:29 PM
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1. I'm proud that my Democratic representative...
voted yea.
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JackNewtown Donating Member (703 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 09:32 PM
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2. Why?
Do you believe Olmert is 100% right on this and that this is not going to hurt American interests? Those who voted "yes" hardly showed any courage.
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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 09:35 PM
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4. I believe that Israel is absolutely right in this matter.
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JackNewtown Donating Member (703 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 09:36 PM
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5. Ok, that is legitimate
And do you also believe that American interests--including national security--are not hurt by this?
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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 01:09 PM
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35. Yes, I do.
Israel is our strongest ally in the middle east, and I believe it is important to support the Israelis.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 09:39 PM
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JackNewtown Donating Member (703 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 09:45 PM
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10. The resolution couldn't even call for restraint...
Edited on Thu Jul-20-06 09:45 PM by JackNewtown
...and it blamed the Lebanese government, which only Tel Aviv does. Not even Bush is criticizing the Lebanese government. The resolution did not take American interests into account at all. The resolution might as well have been written in AIPAC's HQ.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 09:33 PM
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3. Who voted no?
just out of curiosity
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JackNewtown Donating Member (703 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 09:39 PM
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8. I'll try to find out
I would bet Conyers, Dingell, Rahal, Issa, Moran, and Pascrell were in the group that voted no, but most of them are "pro-Palestinian" only because they have large numbers of Muslims and Arabs in their districts. Rahal and Issa are of Arab descent and that plays a role in their views.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 09:46 PM
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11. I'm thinking Gwen Moore might be in the nay category too
Just because she's quite liberal.
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JackNewtown Donating Member (703 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 09:48 PM
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12. Where can you find out who voted for/against it?
I can't find anything on the House site.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 10:18 PM
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13. Non-Yes Votes
Nays (8)

Abercrombie
Conyers
Dingell
Kilpatrick (MI)
McDermott
Paul
Rahall
Stark

Answered “Present” (4)

Kaptur
Kucinich
Lee
Waters



Not Voting (10)
Davis (FL)
Davis, Jo Ann
Duncan
Evans
Fortenberry
McKinney
Northup
Nussle
Sanchez, Loretta
Westmoreland
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JackNewtown Donating Member (703 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 10:35 PM
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15. Where did you find that nt
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 10:51 PM
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16. link
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 11:28 PM
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19. How interesting that they have it handy
but not readily findable the official House site of our own government, as noted above.

It may be there somewhere. I'm too digusted to search.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 11:33 PM
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20. Ah. Thomas.
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JackNewtown Donating Member (703 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 11:38 PM
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22. That is where I got it from
But I couldn't find the voting record on it.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 11:58 PM
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24. Thanks.
And for posting this thread.

Kicking. (I already recommended)
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JackNewtown Donating Member (703 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 03:57 AM
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27. No problem, thanks for the recommendation
How do you recommend a thread anyway?
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 04:05 AM
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29. Gray bar at the bottom of the original post
There's a link that says, Recommend for the Greatest Page.
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JackNewtown Donating Member (703 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 09:59 PM
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42. Thanks nt
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 12:10 PM
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47. here is the roll call
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 09:55 AM
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32. I searched last night and again....
this morning on the House site and I found nothing! Incredible. Of course, I suppose we should be pleased the House at least recorded individual votes unlike the Senate!
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 10:32 AM
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34. All Senate roll call votes are recorded
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 01:13 PM
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36. Arent those different from voice votes?
The Senate took a voice vote, not a roll call vote.
Still, it doesn't matter, because this is a resolution. It carries no legal weight.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 11:52 AM
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44. I guess you didn't hear....
The senate vote on the Israeli support and Hezbollah condemnation was done with a VOICE vote!
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 11:52 PM
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23. And here is the Agreed-to Senate version

S.RES.534
Title: A resolution condemning Hezbollah and Hamas and their state sponsors and supporting Israel's exercise of its right to self-defense.

Sponsor: Sen Frist, William H. (introduced 7/18/2006)

Cosponsors (61)

Related Bills: H.RES.921, H.RES.922, H.RES.923, H.RES.926
Latest Major Action: 7/18/2006 Passed/agreed to in Senate.
Status: Submitted in the Senate, considered, and agreed to without amendment and with a preamble by Voice.



109th CONGRESS

2d Session

S. RES. 534

Condemning Hezbollah and Hamas and their state sponsors and supporting Israel's exercise of its right to self-defense.

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

July 18, 2006

Mr. FRIST (for himself, Mr. REID, Mr. BIDEN, Mr. SANTORUM, Mr. NELSON of Florida, Mr. KYL, Mr. BOND, Mrs. HUTCHISON, Mr. LEVIN, Mrs. DOLE, Mr. GRASSLEY, Mr. BUNNING, Mr. SMITH, Mr. TALENT, Mr. ROBERTS, Mr. VITTER, Mr. CORNYN, Mr. VOINOVICH, Mr. ALLEN, Mr. COLEMAN, Mr. MCCONNELL, Mr. BROWNBACK, Mr. AKAKA, Mr. BAUCUS, Mr. BAYH, Mr. BINGAMAN, Mrs. BOXER, Ms. CANTWELL, Mr. CARPER, Mrs. CLINTON, Mr. CONRAD, Mr. DAYTON, Mr. DODD, Mr. DORGAN, Mr. DURBIN, Mr. FEINGOLD, Mrs. FEINSTEIN, Mr. HARKIN, Mr. INOUYE, Mr. JOHNSON, Mr. KENNEDY, Mr. KERRY, Mr. KOHL, Ms. LANDRIEU, Mr. LAUTENBERG, Mr. LEAHY, Mr. LIEBERMAN, Mrs. LINCOLN, Mr. MENENDEZ, Ms. MIKULSKI, Mrs. MURRAY, Mr. NELSON of Nebraska, Mr. OBAMA, Mr. PRYOR, Mr. REED, Mr. ROCKEFELLER, Mr. SALAZAR, Mr. SARBANES, Mr. SCHUMER, Ms. STABENOW, Mr. WYDEN, and Mr. MCCAIN) submitted the following resolution; which was considered and agreed to

RESOLUTION

Condemning Hezbollah and Hamas and their state sponsors and supporting Israel's exercise of its right to self-defense.

Whereas Israel fully complied with United Nations Security Council Resolution 425 (adopted March 19, 1978) by completely withdrawing its forces from Lebanon, as certified by the United Nations Security Council and affirmed by United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan on June 16, 2000, when he said, `Israel has withdrawn from in full compliance with Security Council Resolution 425.';

Whereas United Nations Security Council Resolution 1559 (adopted September 2, 2004) calls for the complete withdrawal of all foreign forces and the dismantlement of all independent militias in Lebanon;

Whereas despite Resolution 1559, the terrorist organization Hezbollah remains active in Lebanon and has amassed thousands of rockets aimed at northern Israel;

Whereas the Government of Lebanon, which includes representatives of Hezbollah, has done little to dismantle Hezbollah forces or to exert its authority and control throughout all geographic regions of Lebanon;

Whereas Hezbollah receives financial, military, and political support from Syria and Iran;

Whereas the United States has enacted several laws, including the Syria Accountability and Lebanese Sovereignty Restoration Act of 2003 (22 U.S.C. 2151 note) and the Iran and Libya Sanctions Act of 1996 (50 U.S.C. 1701 note), that call for the imposition of sanctions on Syria and Iran for, among other things, their support for terrorism and terrorist organizations;

Whereas the Government of Israel has shown restraint in the past year even though Hezbollah has launched at least 4 separate attacks into Israel using rockets and ground forces;

Whereas, without provocation, on the morning of July 12, 2006, Hezbollah launched an attack into northern Israel, killing 7 Israeli soldiers and taking 2 hostage into Lebanon;

Whereas on June 25, 2006, despite Israel's evacuation of Gaza in 2005, the terrorist organization Hamas, which is also supported by Syria and Iran, entered sovereign Israeli territory, attacked an Israeli military base, killed 2 Israeli soldiers, and captured an Israeli soldier, and has refused to release that soldier;

Whereas rockets have been launched from Gaza into Israel since Israel's evacuation of Gaza in 2005; and

Whereas both Hezbollah and Hamas refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist and call for the destruction of Israel: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That the Senate--

(1) reaffirms its steadfast support for the State of Israel;

(2) supports Israel's right of self-defense and Israel's right to take appropriate action to deter aggression by terrorist groups and their state sponsors;

(3) urges the President to continue fully supporting Israel as Israel exercises its right of self-defense in Lebanon and Gaza;

(4) calls for the immediate and unconditional release of Israeli soldiers who are being held captive by Hezbollah or Hamas;

(5) condemns the Governments of Iran and Syria for their continued support for Hezbollah and Hamas, and holds the Governments of Syria and Iran responsible for the acts of aggression carried out by Hezbollah and Hamas against Israel;

(6) condemns Hamas and Hezbollah for exploiting civilian populations as shields and locating their military activities in civilian areas;

(7) urges the President to use all available political and diplomatic means, including sanctions, to persuade the governments of Syria and Iran to end their support of Hezbollah and Hamas;

(8) calls on the Government of Lebanon to do everything in its power to find and free the kidnapped Israeli soldiers being held in its territory, and to fulfill its responsibility under United Nations Security Council Resolution 1559 (adopted September 2, 2004) to disband and disarm Hezbollah;

(9) calls on the United Nations Security Council to condemn these unprovoked acts and to demand compliance with Resolution 1559, which requires that Hezbollah and other militias be disbanded and disarmed, and that all foreign forces be withdrawn from Lebanon;

(10) urges all sides to protect innocent civilian life and infrastructure and strongly supports the use of all diplomatic means available to free the captured Israeli soldiers; and

(11) recognizes that thousands of American nationals reside peacefully in Lebanon, and that those American nationals in Lebanon concerned for their safety should receive the full support and assistance of the United States government.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:S.RES.534:
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shimmergal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 12:06 PM
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46. Thanks, oberliner
I've been hoping to find the list.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 10:27 AM
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33. Seven Democrats and one Republican:
Abercrombie
Conyers
Dingell
Kilpatrick (MI)
McDermott
Paul
Rahall
Stark

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll391.xml

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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 01:37 PM
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38. John Conyers voted No, Kucinich voted Present
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JackNewtown Donating Member (703 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 09:37 PM
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6. Telling quote from Nick Rahal on the vote
"There‘s a lot (of lawmakers) that don‘t feel it‘s right ... but vote yes, and get it the heck out of here," Rahall said.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 11:54 AM
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45. sounds like they were strong armed into this vote .
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 09:44 PM
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9. McDermott voted against
He's worried about some of the language included in the resolution:
I am especially troubled by the fact that H.Res 921 goes far beyond reaffirming our unwavering commitment to Israel by declaring unlimited support for potential military action anywhere in the region. The resolution says we: "support Israel's right to take appropriate action to defend itself, including to conduct operations both in Israel and in the territory of nations which pose a threat to it." (emphasis added)

This raises the ominous prospect that the House has given the Administration a pre-recorded vote to support any action, at any time. Could that include a military strike on Iran's nuclear facilities? The resolution is a blank check, and we know that policy has failed in Iraq, and has only incubated further violence and terrorism.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-jim-mcdermott/no-blank-check-in-the-mid_b_25497.html
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 10:26 PM
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14. Article 8 of the bill is the deal-breaker for me. It is too vague.
Edited on Thu Jul-20-06 10:29 PM by Selatius
Would Article 8 allow Israel to unilaterally bomb Iranian nuclear reactors?

I support Israel's right to destroy rocket launchers that fire Kassam and Katyusha rockets against Israeli towns and citizens, and I support efforts to attack those behind these launchers and other attacks on Israeli citizens, but I don't support Israel's bombing of civilian infrastructure--specifically power stations, roads, bridges, gas stations, fuel depots, seaports, airports, and other civilian infrastructure, nor do I support Israel's continued blockade of the whole of Lebanon for the actions of a few militants. Israel was within its right to respond to Hezbollah, but I don't believe attacking civilian infrastructure across Lebanon falls under that rubric. With respect to Hezbollah, they should have never invaded Israeli territory and abducted soldiers, nor should they have continued to fire Katyusha rockets repeatedly at Israeli towns south of the border over the last six years since the withdrawal of IDF forces from South Lebanon except Shebaa Farms.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 11:04 PM
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17. The US Congress vote officially sanctions war crimes.
Edited on Thu Jul-20-06 11:21 PM by chill_wind
The cravenly coward Senate by VOICE vote on Tuesday.

The House on a same day when...

"U.N. human rights chief, Louise Arbour, warned today the scale of civilian deaths, especially in Lebanon, may constitute war crimes. She said it could lead to personal criminal responsibility of those involved, particularly those in command and control."

(..)

The prime minister of Lebanon made an urgent new appeal for help today. He said his country has suffered 300 killed, 1,000 wounded, and 500,000 displaced. He told foreign ambassadors in Beirut Lebanon is being "torn to shreds, but the world is doing nothing."

(bold emphasis mine)

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/news_summaries/2006/07/summary_19.html

A third of all Lebanon casualties being children, it was also reported today by the UN.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breaking/story.asp?j=14504238&p=y45x4z9z&n=14504352&x=


All of which facts not at all lost on the rest of the world's Arab populations, we can be sure. Particularly the more radicalized and ripe to be radicalized.

"They hate us for our freedom."

And it seems the Israelis are REALLY LOUSY shots.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 11:11 PM
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18. I am ashamed of my senator, Pete Stark, for voting no on this.
And he is going to hear about it.
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JackNewtown Donating Member (703 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 11:37 PM
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21. Why not contact his office first?
And ask him why he voted against it?

There was another resolution presented by Darrel Issa that was essentially the same as this--except that it called on both sides to limit casualities. Perhaps Starks favored that one? One can be pro-Israel without supporting every Israeli talking point IMO.
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springhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 12:23 AM
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25. Thank God he has more sense.....
and a conscience.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 01:40 AM
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26. So all 400+ who voted NO and the entire U.S. sentate have no conscience?
Only you and those who agree with you have a conscience? How smug of you.
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CuteNFuzzy Donating Member (444 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 04:04 AM
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28. Voting support for murdering civilians
does not show much in the way of having a conscience
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 04:08 AM
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31. Pete Stark's one of the best in the House
Wish I had a Congressman like him.
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CuteNFuzzy Donating Member (444 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 04:05 AM
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30. So the U.S. openly supports mass murder
Great
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T Town Jake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 01:35 PM
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37. I think you misread the resolution...
...it supported Israel, not Hezbollah. A resolution backing Hezbollah would, indeed, have signified congressional support for mass murder. This resolution supports an allies right to defend itself, which is a good thing.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 05:33 PM
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41. Israel created Hezbollah
It did not exist until four years after Israel invaded Lebanon the first time.
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JackNewtown Donating Member (703 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 10:01 PM
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43. "This resolution supports an allies right to defend itself"
So surely Congress will pass another 410-8 resolution to back Turkey's right to defend itself from terrorists from a neighboring country who killed 14 Turkish troops? For some reason I doubt that will happen in Turkey's case...
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 01:37 PM
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39. I don't know what to say.
Go....Iseral?
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 01:38 PM
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40. Roll Call Votes in this thread
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