When Rice says "root causes" she means Iran and Syria: On now . . .

[bigtree]

and when she says:

"We need to work urgently to create the conditions for "lasting peace"

She means that she wants an open-ended mandate for some kind of international force to bully Syria and Iran with some military component that would resemble the fiasco in Iraq.

That's all she wants. Based on her regime's record, she should be turned down flat.

[partylessinOhio]

1. Baby needs new shoes! She is vacant! World needs a ceasefire! NOW

[ChairmanAgnostic]

2. i really do not like this woman.

"Clearly"
"actually"
"The truth is"

a weak, out of her league, lecturer telling it likes she pretends it is.

[partylessinOhio]

11. She is the Emperor2 with no clothes. How has she fooled so many who

think she is a Russian expert? She is an empty suit. She has no talent. She is very abrasive. She has a bad condescending attitude. She is nothing but trouble in the Middle East.

[Norquist Nemesis]

3. I wonder if it's spoken "peace" but written "piece" n/t

[babylonsister]

4. She is warmongering heavily, isn't she? Another US embarrassment

and more blood will be spilled. :banghead: :banghead:

[bigtree]

5. Amazing to hear her say Israel doesn't want to expand the conflict

when she just spent her time trying to draw Syria and Iran into the mix.

[babylonsister]

6. She keeps blabbing on about the Lebanese government, but

there won't BE a Lebanese government if this keeps up.

[bigtree]

8. It would be more convincing if they were engaged in some meaningful dialog

with the Lebanese leadership. I don't see any of that.

[H2O Man]

7. This is strange.

Condi Rice is never a relaxed public speaker. I am not taking a cheap shot, or denying that she is intelligent. But there is a tension in her voice today that I find unsettling. I think that she is aware that the shit may hit the fan, very soon, at a level that is much more intense than the horrors we are now witnessing.

[bigtree]

9. the last time I heard that quaver was in the 9-11 hearings

when she was forced to name the title of the 'bin-Laden determined to attack the US' memo.

[H2O Man]

18. At the 9-11 hearing,

there was hatred in her voice. She is a hateful person. In both cases, she was clearly on edge. But this is, in my opinion, distinct. I think that she is aware of something being discussed behind the scenes that has upset her.

I've been flipping through the channels frequently in the past 36 hours. Has Bolton set up shop at Fox News? It's like the 3rd or 4th show he has been on. Is it unrealistic to expect a UN ambassador to be doing more than chatting on Fox?

[bigtree]

26. did he give them this one?

Hezbollah Drawing Strength From Syria, Iran
Friday, July 21, 2006

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,204982,00.html

[babylonsister]

12. Perhaps she's aware of all the criticism that's been directed at her

for her inaction. Also, it certainly seems to me she's not interested in using diplomacy to try to fix what's going on.

[H2O Man]

20. Good point.

I'm not sure that she would be able to try to take progressive steps, even if she were so inclined.

[The_Warmth]

13. She does sound very shaky...

and something could be coming, but also she could just be scared of spewing all her bs and getting cornered. This administration has to be very careful with every sentance they say.

[H2O Man]

22. The corporate media

tends to treat her with kid gloves, and so I do not think she is as likely to be concerned that she would have to avoid being cornered by them. But you are right that they need to be careful with every sentence, because they are on the world stage.

It still strikes me as something more. One of the things that bothers me is realizing that there are people in the US who are fully capable of taking progressive leadership roles, and taking steps to help all of the interests involved in moving towards not just a cease fire, but towards resolutions of the root causes of the violence. Rice isn't one of those with the capacity. I don't give her credit for having the moral foundation to try too hard to begin with. But I think she is aware that things are about to hit the fan.

[babylonsister]

24. H2O Man, this quote of yours interests me.

"there are people in the US who are fully capable of taking progressive leadership roles, and taking steps to help all of the interests involved in moving towards not just a cease fire, but towards resolutions of the root causes of the violence."

Is there someone in this current admin who can change the course of what's going to happen? I need some hope, and that's in short supply!

[H2O Man]

27. I do not think

there is anyone in the current administration with the moral capacity to make progressive changes. Malcolm X used to say that a chicken cannot produce a duck egg.

I think there is a substantial reservoir of citizens who could. Some are politicians. Most are not. One resource that should be considered would be the Iroquois diplomat, Chief Oren Lyons. At first take, this may seem unrealistic. However, I can say that years ago, Bush1 called upon some Traditional leaders for a project of real concern. More, in the former Soviet Union, there was a time in the 1980s that their leadership also called upon Traditional Indian leadership. Of course, US citizens are unfamiliar with these examples, as our media never covers them.

There are also religious leaders who could be asked to step forward. I could list some names; probably most DUers could as well.

It is important to recognize that we -- the human family -- have options. It is a shame to see ancient hatreds driving us over a cliff.

[babylonsister]

29. "ancient hatreds driving us over a cliff" - that's exactly what's

happening, and there is no one in this admin determined to change the course. I also can't imagine them asking for outside help so I don't think there are other options. Talk about a helpless situation.:-(
Thanks for your response.

[bdamomma]

16. she has to sell war with Iran and Syria

sickening truly sickening.

[H2O Man]

23. That is

a real possibility. She may be going on a trip to try to line up support for an increase in violence.

[BeHereNow]

21. More unsettling news...some of the neocons are going on record

today saying things like,
"Although we think Iran is bad, we do not support military action against them"
Paraphrased, but a thinking person must recall Bush Sr. going on record
before the Iraq war with a similar statement. The point was to GO
ON RECORD against the war all the while knowing that was exactly
the plan and drooling behind his closed doors at the propects
of the profits to be made by doing so.

When the neocons make a point of publicly
denouncing military action, it is because that is
EXACTLY what they have planned.

So yeah, I'm scared because Iran has ALWAYS been
the target.

BHN

[H2O Man]

28. Iran has indeed

been a target. And a segment of the Iranian "leadership" is as prone to violence as the "leadership" in other countries. It is a sad thing to see that the violent fools in a number of countries are taking reckless steps to increase the world tensions.

[oasis]

10. Condi doesn't wait for a follow up question by an individual reporter. She

points to another reporter as she finishes each answer.

[partylessinOhio]

14. And each of those reporters are kissing up to her including that Robin

who claims she knows everything about the Middle East. That one really makes me ill.


BTW, Condoho's voice always quivers because she knows she is so out of her element.

[oasis]

19. You're right. The saying, "She's like a fish out of water" comes to mind.

:nopity:

[Norquist Nemesis]

15. Notice how she's using the term "extremists" instead of "terrorists"

Strange, strange, strange...is re-naming the "War on Terror" next? Also, if you've listened to any of the Israeli officials speaking over the last few days, they are all speaking the same Luntzian Language.

[malaise]

17. What Condi didn't tell you

until she was stumped by the last question was that the so-called 'friendly Arab nations' told her they are not hosting her while Israel is bombing the shite out of Lebanon. Fugg that disengenuous war criminal.

[madrchsod]

25. she`s a fool

she and her slave thinks that iran cares about what they have to say.it`s all up to the saudi`s on what the united states is going to do now in the middle east and what ever the saudi`s say is what condi and her slave will do. i doubt the saudi`s want a huge naval war in their sea. i for one do not want to see anymore of our fellow americans and untold others die for bush`s dream of our nightmare. we can only hope our military won`t go along with it`s own destruction.