What I want to say to the fundy nuts.

[VelmaD]

I've been mulling this over and fretting and, honestly, crying a bit for the insanity of it all...and I decided to finally just sit down and write what I want to say to these lunatics who seem to be driving our planet toward its doom. I know it really isn't aimed at anyone on DU...maybe a few or our more obnoxious lurkers and trolls. But I need to get it out of my system. And as scary as GD is sometimes, I figure it's as close as I'll get to a safe space to say it all.

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What if you are not right?

What if the rapture is NOT just around the corner?

Unlike many of the fundies, I have actually read the Bible. It says right there in the book that NO MAN may know the hour when Christ will return. NO MAN. Period. And those that are cheerleading for the Apocolypse...or even more frightening, are actively working to bring it about...you are flouting your God. You are trying to circumvent His plans for the world. Read your Old Testament and you'll see what He thinks when people do that. It ain't pretty.

So consider...if you are flouting God's plan...then it's pretty likely that you are NOT bringing your Rapture closer. Rather you are creating a poisoned planet, full of chaos and war and death, that God will leave you here to suffer on so that maybe, one day, you learn the lesson that your actions have consequences.

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I'm tired today. And scared to death. And sick to my soul that there are people watching events in Lebanon and cheering. I almost wish God would take them just so they'd be GONE. But then they would never have to suffer through the consequences of what they're doing to the planet.

Someone please please tell me that we will pull ourselves back from this brink. :cry:

[babylonsister]

1. Aw, VelmaD, I don't have an answer, but I do feel

your pain. We're living in scary times. :hug:

[knowbody0]

2. we are all one

let this be the darkness before dawn

[ShortnFiery]

3. We are watching precious human life being snuffed out ...

All the KILLING PARTIES have my wrath. No one section of humanity is more precious than the other. The forgoing is EXACTLY what Jesus taught. I've been told that "Love thy neighbor" is one of the MAJOR Commandments in *all* organized religions.

They sure have a SICK way of showing their neighbor nations "LOVE."

RW FUNDIES on all waring sides, please stop showing us "such love." :grr: :cry:

[jonnyblitz]

4. a few of those people cheering are right here at DU

I won't provide links because I won't call people out behind their back.

[VelmaD]

8. I'd ask you to...

pm them to me...but I'm not sure my blood pressure could take it today.

[AndyA]

5. Your point about no man knowing is well taken, the fundies would be

wise to pay heed to that fact.

This is what I'd like to say to the fundies:

"In the wise words of your Vice President, F*CK YOURSELF"

:rofl:

[VelmaD]

6. Like I said...

I've actually read the book. Was raised in a Southern Baptist church back before they went completely insane. I'm recovering now...but I still remember fondly the "red letter" parts of the Bible.

[AndyA]

15. They have very convenient memories, and selective enforcement,

of what The Bible says. Many of The Ten Commandments don't seem to apply to them. The Bibles I've seen don't have any disclaimers in them, the rules apply to all - equally. No exceptions are made.

Yet they promote war and death, they judge others, discriminate, feel it's OK for them to vindicate what they wish, they lie, steal, cheat on spouses, divorce, etc. So much for casting the first stone, turning the other cheek, and venegence being God's.

I'm glad to hear you survived your experience with the Southern Baptists. No doubt you gained a lot of insight from that time which makes it easier for you to understand the big picture. The hypocrisy is incredible with these folks.

[VelmaD]

17. What happened to that church makes me sad.

I can remember hearing a sermon just prior to an election in the early 80s where the pastor told the congregation that it was their civic duty to vote. That no one could tell them who to vote for. That it was their responsibility to find out what the candidates believed, search their own belief system, and then make an informed choice.

Can you imagine a Southern Baptist preacher saying that now? *sigh*

[FSogol]

7. The reason they are fundies is because they cannot

even consider this question: "What if you are not right?"

It is that missing piece that makes them the greedy, self serving, uncompassionate humans they are.

[VelmaD]

13. I may have to add that to...

my working definition of what it means to be a fully adult human being...the aability to consider that question "what if I am not right?"

[EstimatedProphet]

9. But of course they're right!

God tells them they're right when he talks to them disguised as a stray dog! He tells them that only people who believe in the exact words of the bible, as determined by God and revealed through a talking stray dog, will go to heaven, and everyone else (including the innocent fetuses) will burn in hellfire forever!

When will people wake up and realize that fundamentalism is a mental illness? These people need to be cared for someplace where they can't hurt themselves or poke themselves with sharp objects.

[VelmaD]

11. Oh, won't somebody please...

think of the snowflake babies. *snort*

Apparently all the unborn fetuses that will die in the fires of Armageddon don't really count. Only the aborted ones. :crazy:

[EstimatedProphet]

16. Funny how that works, isn't it?

If indeed the Rapture does come it would be the biggest mass abortion in history, yet Christ wouldn't be held responsible.

[mrcheerful]

10. Here is what I posted for a wing nut catholic fundie

Nor can laws stop abortions max. Before Roe v Wade women found ways of stopping an unwanted pregnancy. You are trying to create a perfect world where all americans are good catholics and religion rules the country. Thats how many see your posts max, pro religion, pro anti free will.

The path your following max only leads to one thing, a dictatorship with limited freedom for those that can afford to buy freedom. When you try to limit freedom for all to decide for themselves whats good for them, your pushing a dictatorship.

Just what freedoms do you support? Your anti gay, anti freedom of religion, anti choice, anti poor,anti sexual freedom. So, are you ready to stand behind a king? Someone who tells you whats right and whats wrong according to his beliefs.

The only way to make the kind of america you want has already been tried, we got religious wars, the inquisition and witch burning. As well as education and progress were slowed to a stand still. It was called the dark ages because progress stopped and superstition caused fear of anything that was unknown. Those on top got to eat good, those that worked got starvation and diseases.

That was a pretty bleak time, lots of innocent people were murdered for being different, handi capped were either imprisoned or left to beg on the streets. Children died from simple colds or the flu or plagues. Medical research was stopped and people were cut so their blood would let the evil spirits out, disease was not germs or virus's, sickness was because the devil put evil spirits in people.

So, is this what your trying to bring about? A second dark age? I'm just curious and I'm not trying to put you down or insult you, I just don't understand what you want or expect from your fellow man.

[Retired AF Dem]

12. I hate generalizations

Here in Alabama, Churches did massive drives to collect food and water for the victims of Katrina. Hundreds of people risked their lives to deliver this food and water to the people of New Orleans and Mississippi. These "fundies" did much more than the Govt, the NAACP and other "concerned groups" did. Fundies might be misguided, but I know to many of them that would give you the shirts off of their backs to help you to hate them.

[VelmaD]

14. And yet you yourself generalized...

by equating all the churches who had food drives for Katrina victims with "fundies". I'm sure quite a lot of those folks were not the kind of christo-fascist nutjobs that I'm talking about. And I'm sure you know that. What. Ever.

[ShortnFiery]

20. There is a religious left and I'm proud to be a part of it ...

Yes, many of us are disgusted when our fellow Christians seemingly hi-jack Jesus and make him into a Vengeful Warmonger.

No, Jesus is "The Prince of Peace."

We are ashamed, but like you VelmaD, we are humble and less than boisterous. The Fundy right wingers, like the Neo-Cons see this as a weakness. Look to the Patriarchal Bully and you will find the foundations of what we know as The Executive Branch and their concept of foreign policy.

It breaks my heart but as one who is oriented toward the Franciscans, I (we) don't boast and pontificate. But we are here and we do show kindness and give what we can to those less fortunate than ourselves, without condition. :hi:

[mrcheerful]

19. Some might do things like that then turn around and demand

that all poor people be cut off welfare and find jobs in an economic depressed area. They did that in one michigan city, now when a fast food resturant has an opening for 1 or 2 people 5,000 people apply for the job. Delphi bought out workers jobs, then offered 300 temp jobs to replace the bought out workers, over 10,000 people showed up to apply. The state started a work first program to get people off welfare then started paying people $2,000 dollars to move out of the cities that are experincing economic hardships and job loss. Michigan fundies also sent NO a bunch of food and other needed things. But they won't lift a finger to help the people trapped in the same city as they live in who are homeless.

[sui generis]

18. VelmaD there are a lot more of us than them

We just need to take away their microphone and put them somewhere with a fence and lots of padding.

There are always going to be vexacious people, operating on some belief or value system that validates how they feel about themselves.

So these guys think they are "chosen" and that this wonderful god who is going to destroy all of creation as a reward for faith is a good god. You know, if you can be born with thalidomide flippers, or a cleft palate or spina bif, it's not a huge stretch to think that some people can be born with some bad wiring upstairs too.

Personally, I think that "rationality" is not the "normal" state. We learn by trying to explain what we know. The most important lesson is to acknowledge that we sometimes don't know, and that doesn't require an explanation.

A fundie just fills in all the gaps with god, and after a while the easiest explanation for anything is god. Lost your keys again? It was god that did it. Something bad happen? You were being punished by god. Something bad happen to someone else? They were being punished for their sins.

The rapturists especially are children. Dangerous psychotic deluded children.

[Rex]

21. The 9th layer of Hell is meant for such people.

They have no idea.

[VelmaD]

22. Part of me hopes you're right...

but a bigger part of me thinks hell is too good for them. They should have to stay here and live in the world they made.

[Rex]

24. I'm like you...please God, come and take 'your people'!

They are blighting the land with ignorance and hate! I've had dreams about Hell all my life and trust me, it is always a vivid nightmare.

[pwb]

23. they say jesus forgives everybody.

i am not sure about god almighty. he seems pissed, and i can't
blame him.
i'm not afraid of the terrorists and i'm not afraid of death
so if the end comes, i'm in. we all have troubling thoughts
Velma, stay with us we need you..

[VelmaD]

25. Oh...I'm not going anywhere...

I've been here forever.

I just want these people to stop fucking up the planet that I have to live on. I'm not afraid to die...but I want to live. I like it here. There's so much I still want to do and see and be. And I'm angry at these people who are treating all of creation like it's expendable.

[ShortnFiery]

28. Well you must NOT be of the Catholic flavor of Christianity ...

For God, Jesus and The Holy Spirit are all ONE. The Holy Trinity.

Therefore, that vengeful GOD that Fundies bring up in the Old Testament speak nothing of a TRUE God, but merely how an imperfect human followers chose to view god. The spirit can be moved but there was something left out in the translation, if you can get my drift? ;) ;)

I honestly believe that our higher power (excuse atheists and agnostics), whomever we choose to call him or her, wants us to "play nice" with each other.

PEACE is the way ... we must cherish and nurture it each and every day. :hi:

[valerief]

26. I wrote a novel with a character named Velma in it.

She got her toes hacked off and went into a coma. But, despite all that, she had plastic surgery to make her beautiful and became a cover girl for Special People Magazine (hmm, did I name it that?). Of course, she never came out of the coma.

I think the secret is to became as batshit crazy as the crazy people. I'm working at it. It's our only salvation.

[VelmaD]

27. I often wonder...

how my "real" life would be different if my given name was actually Velma. *snort* I'd probably say "jinkies" a lot more. :)

And thanks for the giggle.

[valerief]

29. My Velma had a speech impediment--Soft Drink Tourette's Syndrome.

She said "Fanta" and "Shasta" and "Tab" a lot. (It was set in 1978.)

Take heart. We're all gonna die anyway.