America needs to call for Peace. Shame on our Leaders.

[spanone]

I am ashamed. Regardless of your lean on this, the WAR needs to STOP.

War is not the answer IMHO

[Mojorabbit]

1. I wrote my congressmen

saying the same thing. Lot of good it will do but it made me feel better.

[mmonk]

2. Our leaders aren't seeking peace.

Middle East Peace attempts by the US is over.

[Skidmore]

3. Peace and a total rethinking of our policies toward the

nations of the middle east. Through out the * doctrine and go back to the drawing board and rethink all our relationships in that region--especially our relationship with Israel.

[Master Mahon]

4. Why would the US seek peace?

We are the ones that started all the violence in the ME to begin with.

Now we've given Turkey the OK to blow the crap out of the Kurds.
http://www.nysun.com/pf.php?id=36425
I think this is the 3rd time we've stabbed the Kurds in the back.

Please tell me, why would any country want to be our ally or partner in anything???????? It's no wonder Israel has to keep spying on us. They know we'd stab them in the back without blinking if it meant $$ to us.

[Webster Green]

5. Leaders?.............. ...............Where?

This chimp administration is a hoax. It exists to fatten Cheney's (& cronies) bank accounts. Period!

They are true fascists, they thrive on chaos and war, and they LOVE terrorism cuz it gives them a demon to chase (on our dollar) while they get rid of whatever is left of our constitutional guarantees.

[sandnsea]

6. Hizbollah stops rocketing Israel

Lays down arms and leaves southern Lebanon, there's peace in Lebanon. Pretty simple really.

[stepnw1f]

7. until then, the killing of innocents will continue

just like they are in Iraq.

[sandnsea]

9. and Israel for the last 6 years

Funny how I never saw an uproar at DU over the children in northern Israel being killed by Hizbollah rockets. I guess that's an acceptable risk of being a Jew.

[stepnw1f]

11. you make up excuses with no end to violence

bravo. You sound just like a Bush supporter excusing the death of Iraqis. Wrong is wrong... Quit fooling yourself.

[sandnsea]

13. Dead Israeli kids is wrong

And once again, the far left has their blinders on and can't see how their kneejerkism against anything US or western blinds them to the point they end up supporting the worst warmongers in the world. It's disgusting.

[stepnw1f]

14. Dead ANYBODY... what are you? A Fanatic or What?

you yourself are a warmonger... quit fooling yourself.

[sandnsea]

15. Call for Hizbollah to stop rocketing Israel then

That'll end the war. Why won't you call for that?

What are YOU, some kind of Hizbollah warmongering fanatic or something??

[stepnw1f]

17. Whatever You Need to Tell Yourself

to make things better...

I already denounced both sides, so your attempt at reverse psychology isn't going to work. Sad how you just tried dodging the point.... as long as YOUR team wins... fuck human life. Life only matters to you, when it's Israeli, which makes you as bad as Hezbolla. Extreme and fanatical... killing innocent civilians regardless of who is doing the killings, is wrong.

[sandnsea]

18. Where?

When did you say - Hizbullah needs to stop rocketing Israel and lay down their arms. I don't see it.

[stepnw1f]

19. lol... Oh Jesus.... LOL

belligerent as well... so you need proof in order to what? To discredit my point... lol

"What a Bad Bad Bad Move

I really feel bad for the innocent civilians of both Israelis and Lebanese. All victims of stupidity and extremism."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1696641&mesg_id=1696664

There... does that count, or were you looking for word for word? Play games with yourself.... you prove my point.

[sandnsea]

20. Listen, YOU responded to me

I was very clear. There will be peace when Hizbollah stops rocketing Israel. That would be clearly condemning Hizbollah. You can't seem to say those words.

Although you can condemn Israel which is what your linked post refers to specifically, NOT Hizbollah.

So, can you condemn them equally, or not.

I support the French proposal which includes Hizbollah disarmament, a buffer zone, and UN peacekeepers. I don't see many DUers supporting anything except condemnation of Israel, including you.

[stepnw1f]

21. I Did Say it... Hezbolla bad... ok?

Don't be so paranoid.

[sandnsea]

22. Can't do it, huh?

"Peace will come when Hizbollah stops rocketing Israel." Just can't say anything that might recognize that Israel has been under an unjustified direct attack for years.

[Name removed]

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[sandnsea]

25. And there it is -

All day long. Ask people to consider one simple thing, the rocketing of Israel for years and years, and wham - I'm a Bush loving freeper warmonger.

[stepnw1f]

26. No... But You Do Seem a Bit Fanatical

on your stance with Israel. As if they cannot do any wrong. And on top of it, you purposely tried getting me to say something I don't believe. As if I didn't, I would be considered anti-semetic or in support of Hezbolla... so I threw it back at you. Maybe next time, you'll be more assertive.

Also... I told you where I stood. You just kept dodging and trying to turn the table on me.

Lebanese civilians have nothing to do with Hezbolla. If they attacked only Hezbolla militants, I wouldn't give a damn. But they didn't...

Why is that hard for you to agree with?

[sandnsea]

27. So rocketing Israel isn't the problem

It's good you finally said so instead of trying to pretend you were condemning Israel and Hizbullah equally.

If you don't think rocketing Israel is a problem, then I can see why you'd think Lebanese civilians are being bombed indiscriminately.

So you see, you only want one part of the violence to end. The part where innocent Israeli kids get killed, well you don't even appear to believe that is happening, since you say I've been trying to get you to say something you don't believe.

And because I confront this completely one-sided line of thinking, very calmly in fact, *I'M* fanatical. And a freeper.

Just wild.

[stepnw1f]

28. Did I say Rocketing Israelis Wasn't a Problem?

Nope..... it is a problem. It's part of the problem. And you, have a big problem too. You are unable to come to terms with the fact that Israel is now committing war crimes on Lebanese civilians. The Israelis have stooped to Hezbolla's level. And guess who is paying? Civilians on both sides. And because of the Israeli government's stupid over-reaction, Israeli civilians will probably be in greater danger of retaliation. In fact, the whole middle east is so volatile, that it's possible millions could die. I guess you really don't give a shit about either the Israelis or the Lebanese. Or maybe you can't think beyond your one-sided allegiance. Humanism goes beyond national borders or nationality. Good night!

[sandnsea]

29. "get me to say something I don't believe"

That's what you said. That I was trying to make you say something you didn't believe. The only thing I've asked is whether you agreed that peace will come when "Hezbollah stops rocketing Israel". That's the basis of the current fighting.

Yes, civilians on both sides are paying. From the looks of DU, most folks would be perfectly content if only one side of the conflict paid, Israel. If Lebanon doesn't want to pay, help remove Hezbollah from their midst. Pretty simple.

And you don't actually know exactly what I think about Israel's military actions because you, and most of DU, have jumped to the conclusion that because I insist people acknowledge what Israel has suffered since the 2000 withdrawal, that I support the bombing of the entire country.

[stepnw1f]

8. I'm Glad People are Saying This

We need to keep saying it.

[MadHound]

10. Of course Bushco isn't going to call for peace

The ultimate PNAC goal of Bushco is to invade Syria and Iran. The longer the conflict in Lebanon continues, the greater the chance that one or both of these countries jumps into the fray, thus providing the perfect excuse for Bushco to fulfill all of their PNAC dreams.

This is why they're dragging their heels on sending Rice over. This is why Bush is cheering Israel on. This is why we're seeing no calls for peace from this misadministration. They want this war in order that they too can get their own wargasm on again.

[ComerPerro]

12. Bush won't even take an acutal stand or position on this

[spanone]

16. You may say I'm a dreamer.......but I'm not the only one....

John Lennon.

[Warren DeMontague]

24. I'll go one further. Every country there needs to sign peace treaties

with ALL OF their neighboring countries, fully normalizing relations, recognizing each other's right to exist as a nation, and recognizing their right to be free from terror or other attacks. Pledging that terrorists within their territory who carry out attacks from there will be treated as the dangerous criminals they are.

PEACE. I think it's a GREAT idea!