NBC: ISRAEL TO INVADE LEBANON TONIGHT

[kpete]

Israeli Lebanon invasion imminent, U.S. network says
21 Jul 2006 20:25:42 GMT
Source: Reuters

NEW YORK, July 21 (Reuters) - An Israeli invasion of Lebanon is likely on Friday night, intelligence sources told NBC News, its affiliated network CNBC reported on Friday.

CNBC said an unidentified Western nation had told NBC also that Israeli troops were expected to enter Lebanon on Friday night.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N21445871.htm

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. DAAAAAAAAAAAMN, BOYYYYYYYY!

I'm gonna get my war on, yo! I'm gonna order some pizza, kick back, and turn on the Fox War Network.

[katinmn]

69. I know you're being sarcastic, but

:cry:

it's so true. Now we can watch murder live or in slo-mo.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

77. yaa but what about the big show? When do we see the bloodbath in Iraq...

on the giant silver screen?

oh, I forgot... airing that kind of footage is unpatriotic.

[ribrepin]

87. There are people right now ordering pizza

They think it's just like the superbowl. Sad, sad, sad.

I remember when we were building up to Iraq invasion, the men around here seemed to think they were supporting their favorite team.

[dweller]

88. read post 32

you may be saying more than DAAAAAAAAAAAMN, BOYYYYYYYY! at your next fillup.

getting that pizza delivered are ya?
dp

[rodeodance]

2. and the networks/cable get ready for the 'shock and awe" show!

[Bretttido]

61. The 3D graphics are almost completed!!!

A bird's eye view of the Israel / Lebanon border is shown and slowly zoomed into with a dark red background. Then out of nowhere, the words "Ground War" shoot into the screen and horray, ratings will go up as the masses go into a collective zombie-state of information underload.

[stepnw1f]

3. What a Bad Bad Bad Move

I really feel bad for the innocent civilians of both Israelis and Lebanese. All victims of stupidity and extremism.

[Jara sang]

4. Wonder if they planned it for the end of the news cycle on purpose.

Everyone knows no news happens over the weekend.:sarcasm:

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[WilliamPitt]

8. Wow

You have won the prize for broad-brush condemnation of the week.

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[cali]

33. Nothing like praising

bigotry. Congratulations!

[Behind the Aegis]

16. What an incredibly bigoted statement!

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

17. Placing a response so I don't miss the pizza -nt

[havocmom]

18. Hmm, painting an entire population with one unflattering color

is bigotry

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[Behind the Aegis]

22. And that's not what is happening!

[havocmom]

30. Not happy about the over reaction of Israel and the innocents

but entire population killed? Not hardly

[newsguyatl]

35. not yet, no.

[Behind the Aegis]

24. And yet, sadly, we have those here who say and support that bigotry!

[Karenca]

21. This conflict is complicated---I'm mostly in the middle..but

That's one stupid comment.

[havocmom]

27. Your profile says UK?

Gee, like the US, the UK has squandered a lot of good will. Also done a lot of very hostile things to other peoples in the world for much longer than the state of Israel. By your own 'live and let live' philosophy, shall we assume you feel the same about the entire populations of the UK and US - not civilized enough to have our own countries?

[bloom]

37. It sounds like

we were thinking the same thing.


It's crazy - I don't support ANY of these invasions and IT MAKES ME SICK that people feel free to do that.

But I have to say - that Israel isn't worse than other similar imperial nations. But I also support the Palestinians.

To some people - that doesn't make sense - you have to support one side or the other.


I still expect them to sit down and work it out Without the US - to be honest. I don't think that we are any help.


If Israel is going to keep bombing people - I will say that those people have every right to bomb them back - and Israel should expect it.

[mmonk]

89. Support both?

Sounds like you'd like Abraham Lincoln's philosophy:
"I destroy my enemies when I make them my friends."
– Abraham Lincoln

[bloom]

28. You know what - someone could say that about the USA

Look at what we are doing in Iraq.

Of course some people more or less say that about the Palestinians.


sigh.

[VolcanoJen]

6. A caller from Israel on the Ed Schultz show today...

... said that there's a huge disconnect going on in Israel; that citizens of Tel Aviv feel unaffected, and are enjoying beach volleyball, shopping, etc...

I was heartbroken to hear that.

[soleft]

26. not much different from what's going on in our country

except for maybe during the 7 inning stretch at Yankee Stadium when the play Bob Merrill singing God Bless America. Then it's back to playing ball.

[havocmom]

7. Remember the Sabbath

Keep it holy?

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

15. What's holier than smiting thy enemies?

:sarcasm:

[DoYouEverWonder]

19. The god of Abraham

just loves smiting.

:sarcasm:

[rockymountaindem]

40. Fighting on the Sabbath is not against the law

After a large Jewish force was slaughtered by the Romans on a Friday night because they refused to fight on the Sabbath, it was ruled that fighting on the Sabbath is allowed in self defense.

[Bretttido]

62. So sense this is "self defense", they're still free to have a ground

invasion of Lebanon? :shrug:

[rockymountaindem]

70. Well, self defense is always a subjective term

but yeah.

[zanne]

92. Now we're just making it up as we go along, huh?

Sounds familiar.

[Wisconsin Larry]

10. Turkey will go into Iraq next after the Kurds. Everybody is following the

Bush policy of pre-emptive invasion until the whole region will be in flames. Then we'll never get out.

[The Gunslinger]

23. Dont forget Somalia and Ethiopia.

THe PNAC agenda has made this region sooo stable.

[Wisconsin Larry]

44. Good point. PNAC is now seeing the results they wanted. n/t

[Recursion]

74. PNAC agenda is doing just what they said it would:

Remove multilateralism and diplomacy as viable options for conflict resolution. This wasn't a "failure" or "miscalculation" on their part:

This is exactly what they said they wanted to happen.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

90. we'll never get out?

Mission Accomplished!

[Joe for Clark]

11. Did you watch MSNBC (probably many others) this AM.

They were showing live shots of Israeli units getting ready to cross over.

They were showing this unit, with their flag, near street signs, breifing to go.

There was this American Lt Cl saying - I can't believe they are showing this.

It was very strange.

Joe

[bloom]

43. "I can't believe they are showing this. "

That's the way propaganda is.

Get everyone psyched up - with TV people feel like they are a part of the war. (On either side).


I've been trying to avoid watching much footage about it - esp. by corporate TV. It's too depressing.

[Joe for Clark]

52. To the guy's credit -

I really think he was trying to say - get this off the air before they are targeted -

It was really weird - we all could have figured out exactly where to shoot.

I guess that is the way world wars get broadcasted in the 21st Century.

Joe

[AntiFascist]

66. If this really is a world war as the media so desparately wants....

then they'd better start talking about starting up the DRAFT! I don't see any other way the U.S. can participate while being as overextended as it is now.

[Joe for Clark]

68. Thats right.

I don't see any other way either.

Even if we didn't have to fight it - we still have to have a force strong enough to do so.

And our units got torn up pretty good in those damn deserts.

It is a refit situation, too. Our GM equipment doesn't hold up so well in 130 degree heat.

Joe

[bemildred]

84. It does seem like shooting some of those Hizbullah rockets at some

of those troop concentrations would be an obvious thing
to do, if you knew where the troops were being concentrated.
But they could be lying about that. Hmmm.

[WilliamPitt]

13. God fucking damn it all

If you need me, I'll be under the bed.

[havocmom]

36. Move over... I've got some whiskey and a dust buster

Seems the only thing left to do

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

14. But they're doing it for Lebanon's own good, donchya know.

"We had to destroy the village in order to save it."

It worked sooo well in Vietnam. And, is working equally well in Iraq.

Yep! The survivors of being "saved" will be ever so grateful.

[JackNewtown]

25. Hezbollah must be destroyed

Many have called on Israel to focus on Hezbollah and this is a way to do that.

[Joe for Clark]

38. You are right, you know.

I just don't want american kids involved.

The thing that really scares me - what do we do if missles fly over the heads of our kids in Iraq to hit targets in Isreal - what do we do??

Seems to be a realistic possibilty right now.

We have a 130,000 kids over there right now- what are they supposed to do?

Maybe only God knows that answer,

Joe

[ComerPerro]

46. Go help them. Move it Israel. Join the army

[xultar]

29. I hope they do. I hope Israel takes this as far as they can it will proove

warmongers can only see their mistakes in the rear-view mirror...like * sees IRAQ now.

[partylessinOhio]

31. It is not a game.

There will be much more of this. Read the last sentence of the caption carefully:

A relative from the border village of Marwaheen, Muhammed Abdullah, 53, prays by coffins containing the bodies of Lebanese victims prior to their burial in a mass grave at the southern Lebanon city of Tyre, Friday, July 21, 2006. With a few mourners at hand, 72 victims of Israel's 10-day-old bombardment are buried in a mass grave in this southern Lebanese city. Lebanese have streamed out of the south, leaving some villages ghost towns, but with roads destroyed many are trapped in their homes in the face of a possible Israeli invasion.

Damn Israel!

[malaise]

41. Too sad

those coffins are filled with innocent citizens.
One day there will be collective karma.

[bloom]

42. When I first saw the picture

I thought the coffins looked like works of art. Like how the Japanese & Chinese are with their calligraphy.

I love the way Arabic writing looks.


This whole whole thing is such a tragedy that did not need to happen. I don't think that anyone should be rejoicing about it. It's quite disgusting.

[Recursion]

76. OT just so I can think about something else

Arabic script is indeed beautiful.

لآ اِلَـهَ اِلاَّ لله محمد رسول ال

The text is so graceful. For a long time, representational art was banned in Islam, so artists turned to calligraphy.

You'll find some stunning pieces here:

http://www.arabiccalligraphy.com/ac/galleries.php
http://www.islamicart.com/main/calligraphy/index.html
http://www.al-bab.com/arab/visual/calligraphy.htm

No real relevance to the topic here, other than to lament the centuries-long descent of the region from the most sophisticated, peaceful, and tolerant culture of its day to an unending battleground.

[bloom]

82. Thanks for the sites

Sometimes I wonder if people learned to appreciate the art of other cultures if they would be so willing to destroy it (...and think of the people as "human filth" and things like that).


Maybe it's just me (and a few other people).

[partylessinOhio]

79. The writing on the coffins is to identify the remains inside. It is too

dangerous to give these victims a proper burial so they are being buried in a mass grave. When the country is safe again, the bodies will be dug up and then will receive their proper burial rites.

This was discussed on one of the cable news channels this afternoon. I don't know if there is normally writing on coffins in the traditions of the Lebanese.

[bloom]

83. I figured that that was the case

that it was actually just functional.


But what is functional to some people can look like abstract art to other people. :)

[MadHound]

32. Fill your tanks and gas cans tonight people

If this goes down, it is guaranteed to pull in Iran and Syria, and then poof, there goes the MidEast and all those oil shipments. Gas could very well be eight dollars a gallon in a month or so.

[Spazito]

34. No surprise there, this is what the bush admin was holding off for...

Israel invades first then the bush admin makes empty noises, Israel pretends to ignore them until they have either accomplished whatever ill-conceived plan or are forced to retreat. Then and only then, on a pre-arranged schedule will Israel stop "ignoring" the US, meanwhile the invasion will continue, the numbers of dead and wounded innocents will continue to grow.

This was the plan from the start of this, imo. If it hadn't been the capture of two Israeli soldiers, they would have found another "reason".

[Pachamama]

50. We have all been talking about this for months haven't we?

Hi Spazito! Things are looking very grim indeed....

We are on our way to Canada soon for vacation...with the way things are going in the world, I'm starting to think we might be staying....

What do you think would happen if some radical group in Canada lobbed missiles from across the border at American Civilian populations? Would that then justify the US sending bombing raids on the southern border of Canada to get the "terrorists"? What about sending in Ground troops to Canada? But, but, but if its in the name of "defense" against Terrorists, then its okay, right? How would Canadians feel about it? Would they stand by and let their country be destroyed?

What do you think the Lebanese people are going to do when the Israelis invade? :eyes:

I feel sick....Things are going downhill fast. And the scary thing is our administration seems to have wanted this....

[Spazito]

55. Hey Pachamama! It IS going downhill very fast, it is very frightening!

Part of why I find it more frightening that I thought I would is because I don't think the bush cabal thought everything would go to shit at the same time which, by the headlines, it has:

Iraq is in a civil war, the American supply lines may now be in jeopardy
Afghanistan's chaos is worsening, close to anarchy, according to the NATO general
Somalia is firing up again

I truly believe they thought, not unlike the chocolate and flowers fantasy, they could control each of the situations they inflamed separately and not have them ALL occur at once. Add to that their credibility is totally non-existent across the globe and it is a scary situation indeed.

I am sure you will have a wonderful time in Canada, I have just moved from British Columbia to Alberta so I am closer to my children and grandchildren but am living in a "liberal" oasis in the middle of conservative hell, lol.

Re your question, after reading the bush response to Turkey's threat to do exactly what Israel is doing for the exact same reasons, their response being don't you dare attack or invade the Kurdish area in Iraq, all I can do is shake my head and keep picking my chin up off the floor at the hypocrisy and delusional words and actions that are emanating from them.

[katinmn]

75. our administration seems to have wanted this....Yep

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1150886029570&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull


New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Israel's Ambassador the the UN Dan Gillerman (right) at pro-Israel rally in NY.
Photo: Associated Press

A large group of sweating dignitaries looked out from the dais onto 42nd Street where the overflowing crowd chanted, sang songs, and lifted banners that said, "No to Terror!" Senator Frank Lautenberg from New Jersey, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton from New York, Nobel laureate Elie Wiesel and numerous Jewish community leaders addressed the crowd.

snip
Israel's ambassador to the United Nations Dan Gillerman spoke first and struck a particularly aggressive and confident tone. "From this stage, I would like to send out a clear message to that glass building behind you," Gillerman said, referring to the United Nations. "Let us finish the job! You know better than anyone else that what we are doing is doing your own work: fighting terror.... And to those countries who claim we are using disproportionate force, I have only this to say: you're damn right we are!"

[spanone]

39. Cheney must be foaming at the mouth with excitement.

[havocmom]

85. Hey, where is Dead Eye Darth, anyway

Hunkered in the bunker again? Has anybody seen the monster lately?

[ComerPerro]

45. And Israeli soldiers deaths will be reported more than Lebanese civillian

[Blue_Tires]

47. get your war on!

i never see this guy's comics posted here anymore...

[Joe for Clark]

49. That is funny!!!

[SlavesandBulldozers]

91. GYWO is a treasure.

that guy is top-notch in my book.

[PA Democrat]

48. So do FOX, CNN, and MSNBC have their fancy graphics all ready?

Gag. The thought that the obscenity of war is good for ratings.

[Bretttido]

65. There might be a slip of the tongue

And one of the talking-heads will say, "Wow, this sure is great... I mean, bad, its horrible when people die, but don't stop watching, because that would be worse.... back to you Wolf."

[Gregorian]

51. What is it good for? Absolutely nothing!

What will war gain anyone! Absolutely worse than nothing!

So who is the one starting this? Not the people.

And how long, and how many will suffer, before this is over? And who will shoot the last bullet? And then what? We will be right back where we are now, except with less.

It is only a losing game. STOP!

[Nothing Without Hope]

56. That's right. This would UNDERMINE Israel's security by sowing ever

more hate and desperation. That's what gave Hezbollah its success in the first place. It's not just the funding from other Islamic states, it's the local desperation and hatred that makes it work for them.

My opinion: the ruling elements of Israel's and the US governments WANT ESCALATION. They want to INCITE ATTACKS BY Syria and especially Iran. They WANT war with Iran. They have for a long time. Iran and Syria haven't responded sufficiently yet to "justify" such escalation, so now we see Israel pushing up the ante.

And the US congress has passed resolutions giving Irael absolutely open season to do whatever the hell it wants and calling for immediate sanctions (with options to escalate there too) on Iran and Syria:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1674185
ACTION ALERT: Oppose House Resolution Supporting Israel's Attacks!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1674661
SENATE RESOLUTION calling for Iran, Syria SANCTIONS & supporting Israel

[Gregorian]

73. And money complicates it even more.

Every time a bullet is fired. Every time a bomb is dropped, someone makes a dollar.

And the same thing goes for fear there as here. Spread fear, start war, profit. Rinse and repeat.



And so, the bottom line is the oldest and hardest thing to do. But the only thing to do that works is- FORGIVENESS.

Until then, the cycle repeats.

It's easy for me to say. However, as a cyclist, I've had a lot of practice. Try riding a bike in America. You'll find so many assholes in cars who want to prove their power. It takes a lot of forgiveness to not start carrying a gun on my bike rides. Really sad. The meek shall inherit something. Because the bullies are the losers.

[Contrary1]

53. No wonder Junior is hightailing it to the ranch...

It is there that he is most "presidential". Look for some quiet announcement
over the weekend that the US will enter into the fray.

[Joe for Clark]

54. It does seem like a lot of bad things happen when he

heads to his ranch, doesn't it??

I didn't know he was going there - sh t!!!



Joe

[Scurrilous]

57. Tonight New York (EST)...

...or tonight Israel (EST + 7)?

[Joe for Clark]

71. Well,

Appears those guys were getting breifed about 9 am (PST)

Assuming their army is just about as efficient as ours (thats a joke) I'd guess by about 9 am (PST) tomorrow - all hell breaks lose along that border.

Just a guess,

Joe

[Recursion]

78. There's really no such thing as a "surprise" invasion today

And you can still gauge the timing of US military operations by how many pizzas the Dominos that delivers to the Pentagon sends out in a night (I know a reporter who sits in front of that Dominos and counts the deliveries).

Israel is gathering troops south of Lebanon

Israel is warning the Lebanese to get as far north as they can.

Sadly, the die is cast.

[Joe for Clark]

81. Yes, it is.

I was watching it this AM with a sick sense of forboding - they way I'd watch a car crash, I suppose.

If you were on the other side, and you knew - from watching TV, even - where to hit somebody - wouldn't you??

This whole matter is a strange affair.

Joe

[Fla Dem]

58. It's already 1:26 AM Saturday there. Our Friday night or theirs? n/t

[stevietheman]

59. And this naked aggression should be condemned.

BAD BAD BAD BAD IDEA, ISRAEL!

[cobaindrain]

64. agreed

But what's a condemnation to Israel(or to the US?) nothing. Sure condemn us...but just try to stop us. Talk about an abuse of power!

[Ghost in the Machine]

60. well... at least they're waiting for the cover of darkness...

seeing as how they have amassed at the border all day, once it gets dark they can sneak in without hezbolla seeing them. "Hey! it got dark, where'd all them Israeli soldiers and tanks go??" ...

See how it works now?

[cobaindrain]

63. I'm in no mood for another unjust war

I don't know about anybody else, but I have battle fatigue (and I haven't even been fighting) but all these wars are just pissing me off. How high will this invasion push gas prices?

[spuddonna]

67. Damn...

More death, more destruction... and the major networks get their night vision goggles out to celebrate the carnage...

[mogster]

72. Ya, this info coincides with local info

- Go north immediately


Israel tells everyone left in southern Lebanon to go north.

(NO)
http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/2006/07/21/471927.html

All out war ahead as Israel says: Get out of southern Lebanon

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,251-2279462,00.html

Rice: Ceasefire will be a false promise

A ceasefire soon is impossible, says the US Secretary of State Condolezza Rice.
(...)
In opposition to the UN General Secretary Kofi Annan, who yesterday appealed for immediate ceasefire, Rice excludes the possibility for a ceasefire without a change of the original situation in Lebanon.

- A ceasefire will be a false promise, if it brings us back to status quo, she says.
(...)
Hizballah is the source of the problem, and Syria knows what to do, says Rice, and defended the US decision not to talk to the Hizballah or Syria.
(...)
The UN special envoy to the ME, Terje Rød Larsen, made a statement in line with the US Secretary of State about a permanent solution to the crisis.
In a live interview with the BBC, Larsen hinted that the 'energetic' diplomatic initiative from the US is a reason for optimism.
- It's beginning to arise a remarkable international consensus (agreement) about how to solve this crisis. We need a new political reality in Lebanon. This is the US focus and it is the focus of the Security Council, says the Norwegian diplomat.

Rød Larsen and the two other special UN envoys met today with Secretary of State Rice and UN ambassador John Bolton at the Waldorf Astorie hotel in New York.

(...)

Rød Larsen says it has to be established a security zone at the so-called 'blue line' at the border between Lebabon and Israel. Here Israel will have a 'robust' military presence, together with international peace forces, he says.
It also has to be a 'full implementation' of the Security council resolution 1559 from September 2004, he points out. This calls for disarmament of all Lebanese and non-Lebanese (ie: Syrian) militia in Lebanon.
(NO):
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/uriks/midtosten/article1395943.ece

[mhr]

80. Bush Demanded More Fireworks From The Jewish Lobby

He though his 4th was too deprived!

[npincus]

86. my, you like to spread the anti-Jewish "love" all around GD, don't you?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1697831&mesg_id=1697842

Hope the Mods take good care of you.

[helpman]

93. For what?

Daring to criticize Israel and JINSA?

Right.

I don't see any holocaust denial in his statements - so where do you draw the line?

At being 'critical' Pincus?