Asking for objectivity in the coverage is posting hatred towards Israel

[xultar]

IS that where this whole thing is heading?

Is it you're for this attack into Lebanon or you're against Jews?

Help me here people? IS that where this thing is headed?

If people ask why and decry Lebanese civilian deaths are we siding with the terrorists? I don't want to see anyone die. But I will post about the slanted fucking coverage because the media is doing the same thing they did with the march upto the Iraq war.

If you can't see that then you're already eye deep in NEOCON shit. I'm beginning to see shades of GOP shit smears on this.

I'm not picking sides. I'm pointing out the obvious slant. NO ONE IS WITHOUT BLAME IN THIS THING. THERE ARE NO ANGELS. NO ONE SHOULD GET A FUCKING PASS. NO ONE.

THERE WILL BE NO WINNER. NO ONE WILL BE RIGHT AND EVERYONE WILL BE WRONG.

Those of you picking sides need to revisit Iraq and how we were treated and what we were called because we questioned Bush's foreign policy.

[SteppingRazor]

1. Why do you hate Ameri...er... Israel? n/t

[cali]

2. I'm sorry but this is just fucking ridiculous.

Have you been called an antisemite? Hit the alert button. The mods will take care of it. I have seen not ONE person here accuse someone of being an antisemite for condemning Israel's attack on Lebanon.

Pre-emptively accusing people of throwing out the accusation of antisemitism is no different than accusing people unjustly of antisemitism. I wish both would stop.

[sandnsea]

6. I did

I said the actions the last few days makes me understand how Jews can come to believe that the animosity towards them when they're trying to defend themselves is anti-Semitism. The reaching for anything to villainize Israel with has been stunning to me.

[xultar]

9. Thanks for owning up to it. I didn't hit alert cuz I want people to see.

The media is doing the same thing they did with the march up to Iraq and DUers are actually buying the Neocon propaganda bullshit.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

26. Exactly. I looked in on a bit of CNN's coverage for a while...

...today and it's the same slanted BS used to deceive us into invading Iraq. The indiscriminate killing of Palestinian and Lebanese civilians is all but ignored while Hezbollah is portrayed as the Iran and Syria backed terrorist monster threatening world peace that must be vanquished.

Years from now the forensic report on the death of the United States as we once knew it, will rightly identify corporate owned MSM as the root cause. The U.S. masses no longer have reasonable, ready access to anything resembling balanced truth on important issues and that's the death knell for democracy.

[sandnsea]

32. All I've seen is bombed out Lebanon

I really don't know what you're watching.

[manic expression]

17. And you're wrong

Zionists have a persecution complex, what else is new. The delusional idea that people are out to get them just because they are who they are is insane and ridiculous, not to mention laughable. Israel is not defending itself, it is commiting aggressive atrocities against an entire nation with no justification whatsoever. The only thing people have to reach for to "villainize" Israel is a history book or an objective newspaper. Get a grip.

[sandnsea]

19. Israel is not defending itself, hmm, okay

And I guess that would be because they haven't been under attack for years from southern Lebanon either. I see.

Your post is exactly what I'm talking about. Pretend everybody loves Israel so you can turn around and condemn them. Why. I don't know. But I can see where Jews might consider it due to anti-semitism.

[manic expression]

24. No, it's not

That would be because a.) those attacks were tit-for-tat, both Hezbollah and Israel sporadically attacked one another in connection with the others' attacks, that much is a fact; b.) there is NOTHING to justify what Israel is doing, they are bombing a country to oblivion and punishing and MURDERING innocent people; c.) Israel had occupied southern Lebanon for years, and that included massacres (not to mention harassment of the country afterwards).

Your delusion is what you're talking about and nothing more. The FACT is that Israel is NOT defending itself and has NO justification for its atrocities. You screaming anti-semitism for no reason changes nothing.

[sandnsea]

34. Just a never ending tit-for-tat

Mind boggling. Your whole post is mind boggling. I guess I can see your point if we go back to the very day of Israel's existence and tell them, never mind. Seems to me that's always the crux of the problem, Israel exists. Damn them anyway.

[manic expression]

37. You never end in your mistakes

The actual point (since you couldn't comprehend it) was that those attacks were not one-sided, there were attacks and responses on both sides, so Israel cannot claim any cause for defense in such a situation.

It's mind-boggling to you because you seem to be unable to accept established facts. The crux of the problem is that Israel is displaying brutality, aggression, indiscriminate killing and worse without a shred of justification. Existence is no excuse for injustice.

[oberliner]

43. Congress and Israelis

"The FACT is that Israel is NOT defending itself and has NO justification for its atrocities."

Virtually every single Democrat in Congress completely disagrees with that statement.

Source: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c109:7:./temp/~c109CeAvmh::

95 percent of Israelis believe that the military response to Hezbollah was "justified and correct."

Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060721/wl_mideast_afp/mideastconflictisrael_060721100943

So 95 percent of the people in the Jewish State support murdering innocent people for no reason?

As do almost all Democrats in Congress?

[cali]

31. Hmmm. Thank you Dr. Manic.

I have no problem with harshly criticizing Israel. That's not the issue. The issue is the flawed premise of the OP.

[adriennui]

38. oh, so the bus bombings

cafe slaughters, hijacked planes, murderous monsters killing athletes, are all just figments of israel's imagination.

the world is at peace...it is a paradise. if only israel didn't exist.

look around you, examine the earths' wars, conflicts, starvation,terrorist acts.....what is the common denominator. islam


truth hurts...blaming israel for the worlds' ills is pure stinking, smelling bullshit.

[manic expression]

44. How perfectly insane

If you actually understood the situation, you wouldn't say such garbage. Let me dismantle your "views". Israel has not defended itself in this instance. Next, the only times Israel was on the "defensive" was exactly because they refused to give up stolen land.

The terrorism that has been carried out is undeniably connected to what Israel has done. If you occupy a region, steal swathes of land, murder countless people, oppress an entire populace, restrict everything from the borders to the airspace, carry out massacres and more, what do you expect to happen? People will react to such injustice, and not unexpectedly so. When a country commits such atrocities on others, those people WILL fight back, and one of the ways they fight back is with terrorism. Perhaps if Israel stopped wronging them, if Israel stopped stealing their land, killing their women and children and innocents, if Israel stopped their ethnic cleansing and oppression and more, then that terrorism would stop.

The bottom-line is that Israel is not defending itself now, and the only times when it legitimately "defended itself" occured solely because of Israel's actions (1973 war, for instance). Israel has NO JUSTIFICATION for what it is doing, and it has never been justified in anything it has done in regards to its neighbors.

Let me tell you this, Israel is quite a locus of pain, suffering, injustice, oppression and wrongdoing. In fact, any reasonable and objective person would agree and go further.

The TRUTH is that Israel is unjustified in its disgusting and base policies. You delusionally scream that it is "defending itself" when it only acts in a belligerent and aggressive manner, carrying out murder upon innocents and oppression upon entire peoples. You insanely say that Islam is the problem when it is CLEAR that Israel's actions are the problems in the region, as they have always caused death and committed crimes.

It seems you have produced quite the pile of vile filth, and you have only your insanity to thank for it.

[Pepper32]

48. Yeah, me too.... in fact here is one.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=2398101#2399333

Some would rather pretend it's not happening but most of us know better.


Be sure to check out the entire thread, it's quite interesting.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=2398101

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

8. cali, you yourself have instigated this kind of stuff.

You actually called somebody "unamerican" for criticizing Israel last week.

[cali]

11. LOL

Find that comment or retract that accusation. I have never in my life accused anyone of being anti-American for any reason. And I've harshly criticized Israel myself in numerous threads, not just this last week, but over a period of months in the I/P thread, and yes I've defended Israel too when I thought it appropriate. Damn straight I'll make a point of criticizing blatantly bigoted remarks- whoever they're directed at.

Now, as the saying goes, put up or.....

[cali]

18. crickets chirping

call me out, you better damn well respond.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

25. hang on, I'm still looking...

But you know and I know you said it.

[cali]

27. If I knew I said it, I wouldn't be challenging you like this (duh)

because I'd look idiotic if it's true. Of course I don't remember every comment that I write on DU, but I do know that simply isn't something I'd say. If you're right and I actually accused someone of being unamerican for criticizing Israel, I'll humbly beg your pardon, but I suspect you're going to be looking for a long time.

[blonndee]

29. Cali, I wish that you would respond to my post below.

You believe that this poster mischaracterized something you said, and so you are rightly asking him/her to show you the basis for what he claims. But I likewise believe you have done the same to me, and so I am rightly asking you to justify your characterization of what I said.

Peace.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

39. Well, it looks like it's a deleted sub-thread.

Neither your post nor my response appears as a search result for last friday in the LBN.

Apology accepted.

[mzteris]

41. you must not be reading the posts

'cause I've certainly seen it. Sometimes implied, sometimes less so.... it's definitely there.

[Name removed]

3. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[LiberalPartisan]

7. Well said. You are so right! n/t

[xultar]

10. OMFG. The media is PRO Israel...I'm just asking for fairness. IS that

ignoring the deaths in Israel.

I won't be responding to your posts anymore.

[LiberalPartisan]

12. Terrorists deserve objectivity in reporting?

I think not.

[xultar]

14. YES...TERRORISTS DESERVE OBJECTIVITY

What about Gitmo...are you o.k. with people being held without a trial down there?

Those terrorists deserve objectivity in reporting. PHUCK YEAH.

YOU have taken sides. Notice your graphic. So will you even listen to valid quesitons?

[oasis]

23. Xultar, I agree that news should be reported with objectivity. I'm

sure at least 95% of DUers are of that mind.

[sandnsea]

30. And it is

The bulk of what's being reported is Israel obliterating Lebanon. There is very little about the attacking that has gone on for years which is what is really underlying this assault. If that isn't discussed, and the need for a buffer zone which is what France proposed, this really will turn into a war with Syria and Iran. Looking for 1,001 excuses to villainize Israel is not going to resolve this and I do not understand why people do it.

[oasis]

36. Could be that there's more "news" to report where there's more damage.

Just sayin':shrug:

[Warren Stupidity]

15. And there it is.

Once again the truth sneaks out. Thank you for validating Xultar's post.

[k_jerome]

28. you ask for fairness by posting untruth about Israel. interesting. nt.

[jonnyblitz]

13. LMFAO..what competely DELUDED BULLSHIT!!!

you win the prize today!!! :rofl:

holy fucking CHRIST!!! :wow:

[manic expression]

22. What are you talking about?

Look at the reality of the situation, Israel is FLATTENING Lebanon, and yet you try to blame the victims.

No, it is NOT anti-semitism, it is opposing the unjustified, disgusting, base, belligerent, aggressive, hateful actions of Israel. People are simply saying the truth that Israel is decidedly WRONG in its actions and policies. No one has to stretch to think that the feeble attacks on Israel are the result of Israel's pounding of an entire nation (what do you expect if a country finds itself being reduced to rubble?) without any justification or reason.

[blonndee]

4. Xultar, haven't you been here the last week?

;) Seriously, those who are doing that are trying to get you to shut up, and it IS just like how we were treated for opposing the Iraq war. Don't fall for the bait.

[cali]

16. Sorry, it doesn't work that way here

xultar posted. DUers respond. And it's your characterization of thoughtful posts as worthless, that's so discouraging.

[blonndee]

21. Where did

I say thoughtful posts are worthless? I'm telling her she shouldn't be intimidated by those who try to intimidate her by accusing her of being anti-Israel, or worse. So I have no idea what you're talking about.

[cali]

35. I took your post to mean

that people who characterize a certain text or remark as antisemitic are simply trying to intimidate the person that the comments are directed to. As I've said, although that is sometimes true, it is also true that there have been a substantial number of antisemitic comments and articles posted. In addition, I've noted, as have others, such as the Magistrate, that the pre-emptive charge of "If I say this, I'll be called an antisemite" is just as broadly used and for the same purposes.

If I misinterpreted your post, I'm terribly sorry.

[blonndee]

40. No, I meant

those instances when such charges ARE unfairly made. I myself have been a victim of it and did see it going on in the thread to which she is referring. I do not wish to see debate stifled at all, which you seemed to imply in your post; in fact, I was objecting to what I see as efforts to shut down debate.

But let's not drag this out. There's no reason to fight or argue over a simple misunderstanding.

Peace.

[Demit]

5. Rove is probably thinking "Ah, my work here is done."

Divide and conquer. He would be proud, huh? All he had to do is provide the wedge, and we do the rest ourselves.

[manic expression]

33. Don't worry

almost all of the Democrats voted to support Israel's murderous rampage in Congress. Do you really think me ranting on DU about Israel is going to hurt the Democratic party (I'm not even a member).

[Demit]

46. I wasn't referring to the Dems in Congress. I was referring to us on DU.

I have never seen us so split.

Why on earth would you think I was addressing you in particular?

[applegrove]

20. Please don't run to the guy who says "Today we are all Israelis".

It seems such a slippery slope. But please. Don't.

We are having a real discussion here on this topic. I agree with you by the way.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2734722&mesg_id=2734722

[treestar]

42. Israel is just like Bush to the freepers. Either approve everything

and anything they do or you "hate" them.

There is a deliberate attempt to shut off debate by using emotionalism.

[oberliner]

47. Unfair

That's not fair.

If someone argues that Israel's response was disproportionate or that they need to exercise more restraint or that we must work towards an immediate ceasefire, those are valid issues that are raised among many Democrats. They can lead to valuable discussion and debate.

If someone argues that Israel is a terrorist state and that they are deliberately killing women and children for no reason whatsoever, then I think we are talking about something else. There is no Democrat in or seeking office who would agree to that statement.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

45. I saw something today that was biased the other way on MSNBC

While I agree that the reporting has not always been objective, what gets me more is that it has been incomplete. I don't think we're seeing very much of the destruction and death on American TV sets. We're seeing the usual tired group of retired talking head Generals on every station, who seem to spout the same macho crap whether it's the Lebanon crisis or Iraq.

But today I saw an American reporter in Beirut who surprised me. She compared the destruction of a entire neighborhood in Beirut to the devastation of the World Trade Center on September 11th. I think that's a pretty emotionally charged statement to make to an American audience. Personally, I would prefer neutral reporting on either side of the issue. Mainly, though, I want more coverage of facts and less opinion.

[The Magistrate]

49. Locking

Flame-Bait.