Lebanon...they are DYING in the hundreds! WARNING!

[AlamoDemoc]

WARNING: Graphic images depicting the reality and horror of Israel's Invasion and destruction of Lebanon.

DO NOT CLICK THE LINK BELOW IF YOU HAVE WEAK STOMACH. PLEASE!


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14069.htm

[goforit]

1. Wow!!! injustice!! God help the innocent!!

[SammyBlue]

22. Yes, stop Hezbollah from killed Jewish children in terrorist acts!

[HysteryDiagnosis]

2. Could be Fallujah..... but it's not. n/t

[DELUSIONAL]

3. Civilans are dying in a Planned war to secure a WATER resource

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2249599.stm
http://www.iasps.org/nbn/nbn70a.htm

Thus, by targeting Israel's most vulnerable strategic asset, its dwindling water supplies, Syria has been able to position itself to profoundly influence Israel's bargaining posture over borders and security. This, more than any other factor, may be the reason why Israel has not committed itself to a written agreement regarding a redeployment to the June 4, 1967 line. To do so would be to signal an irrevocable surrender of both the Jordan River and the Kinneret. But renewed rhetoric in Israel seems to suggest that policy-makers are seriously considering just such a move. This would be a win-win situation for Syria. At best, Mr. Assad would not only score a major victory by gaining back the Golan, but also dramatically alter the water equation, and by extension the balance of power, between Israel and Syria. At the very least, the water issue could drive a wedge between Israel and Turkey.

As policy planners struggle to revive the Syrian-Israeli dialogue once again, resolving the topic of water remains the most difficult task for the two countries. It is also the most important. The way the water issue plays out will have major repercussions not only for Israel, but the region as a whole. The ensconcement of Syria on the Golan would allow Damascus not only to virtually dictate terms to Jerusalem, but exert influence over Amman and create a rift in the Israeli-Turkish military partnership as well. Given the signals made by Israel's continued efforts to reopen talks with Syria, Jerusalem has not yet understood the geopolitical significance of water to its relations with its neighbors. As a result, Mr. Assad has been given an incentive to continue to apply the appropriate pressure, diplomatic as well as military to achieve his goals.

The above was from the NEOCON website

http://www.iasps.org/nbn/nbn70a.htm

Do any of these names look familiar??

Participants in the Study Group on "A New Israeli Strategy Toward 2000:"

Richard Perle, American Enterprise Institute, Study Group Leader

James Colbert, Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs
Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Johns Hopkins University/SAIS
Douglas Feith, Feith and Zell Associates
Robert Loewenberg, President, Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies
Jonathan Torop, The Washington Institute for Near East Policy
David Wurmser, Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies
Meyrav Wurmser, Johns Hopkins University

[Grateful for Hope]

4. Seems that usually nothing is what it seems n/t

[AlamoDemoc]

6. can you elaborate?

[Grateful for Hope]

13. What I meant is

that wars we think are waged for one reason are probably not really being waged for the reason we have been told.

Simple.

[serryjw]

12. WATER

Another one I posted last week.

http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~jpap/dolat.htm

[jsamuel]

21. no one seems to respond to your posts

[Just Me]

23. I acknowledge the objectives of controlling oil and water.

However, I've heard no danger to Israel of being deprived of water.

Know what I mean eg still no justification.

[Name removed]

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[Mr_Spock]

37. Wow, dozens of post's just "dissapeared"

As if there are any subtreads that are not important on this topic. This deletion of hundreds of posts recently is annoying.

[arcane1]

7. NOTHING JUSTIFIES THIS!!!!!!!!

NOTHING!!!!!

[Scurrilous]

8. Haaretz News Flash:

01:59 Lebanon Health Ministry: 362 killed, 1,350 wounded since start of hostilities (AP)

[CAcyclist]

9. I am sick, sick , sick about this nt

[helderheid]

10. crying

:cry:

[serryjw]

11. I'm sorry, everyone

needs to see this...IT's fucken war, and people (kids) die a terrible death.:cry:

[Seabiscuit]

14. Bush, Cheney, Rummy & Condi need to walk those streets for weeks.

Fucking Israeli bastards! WTF does bombing a large civilian area have to do with the kidnap of 2 Israeli soldiers???

The civilized world (not including the captured White House for the moment) needs to comndemn Israel's leaders for war crimes.

[DELUSIONAL]

15. Bush, Cheney, Rummy and Condi didn't care about US Katrina victims

until they realized that their poll numbers were tanking.

This is just another NEOCON game -- our eyes have been on OIL.

But the other prize resource is WATER.

Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Condi and the other NEOCONs know that WATER is the other resource that must be secured -- with lots of bombs and lots of dead bodies.

The body count (if they even pay attention to body counts) is just a number to these ghouls.

But to us -- each dead child is a laugh or a smile that is gone from this earth forever -- and we hurt and grieve for each innocent death that our leaders are causing and/or let happen.

We shouldn't attack each other -- because we all care.

I will have to say -- that this is NOT about Israel protecting herself -- we have far too much evidence that Israel is no longer a victim. Israel has moved into the company of victimizer nations.

[Seabiscuit]

20. Agreed - which is why they all need to walk amidst such destruction

and become so immersed in it, for weeks, months, perhaps, that they can never forget it the next time they want to play their distant little numbers game.

[Mojorabbit]

42. Well we bombed iraq

for 3000 americans supposedly. Must be the in thing to do. sigh.

[Scurrilous]

16. ICJ: Israel, Hizbullah committing war crimes

International group of jurists on Friday accused both Israel and Hizbullah of committing war crimes, says Israel’s ‘disproportionate and indiscriminate’ use of force amounts to ‘collective punishment’

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3279504,00.html

<snip>

"An international group of jurists on Friday accused both Israel and Hizbullah of committing war crimes in a conflict that has so far killed more than 370 people, mainly civilians.

The International Commission of Jurists (ICJ), which links 60 senior judges and lawyers worldwide, said Israel's “disproportionate and indiscriminate" use of force through air raids against Lebanese civilian targets amounted to "collective punishment", which is outlawed.

"Collective punishments constitute a war crime under international law," ICJ Deputy Secretary-General Federico Andreu-Guzman said in a statement.

Hizbullah rockets fired at northern Israeli towns could also be considered a violation of international humanitarian law because armed groups are also covered by the Geneva Conventions protecting civilians in times of conflict, the ICJ added.

The Geneva-based organization called for an immediate halt to the violence and accused the international community of not doing enough to restrain Israeli actions in both Lebanon and Gaza."

[Seabiscuit]

24. Finally! BINGO!

:applause:

[bdamomma]

31. maybe that ICJ can implicate the US for supporting

Israel??? can this happen?

[Seabiscuit]

39. I don't know. But I doubt that verbal support alone constitutes a war

crime.

OTOH, if it may be shown that the Bush regime conspired with the Israeli leaders to commit this outrageous large-scale massacre of innocents in Lebanon, they could be guilty of the same war crimes. What better neocon recipe for election '06 than to divert attention from the morass in Iraq by nonstop "shock and awe" Faux-News type TV blitzes about supporting Israel in fighting "the terrarists"?

[magellan]

41. How about the fact that the bombs being dropped on Lebanon

...have 'made in USA' written on them. They're being manufactured in Miami and Seattle by Lockheed Martin or Boeing, according to British journalist and 30-year resident of Beirut, Robert Fisk. And the US is in the process of expediting a fresh order for the Israelis.

Seems to me if we're going to hold Iran responsible for Hezbollah bombs then we need to be held responsible for Israeli bombs.

[Just Me]

27. May the "rule of law" be applied to ALL, no exceptions.

Such is the anchor of "democracy" and any civil society.

[bdamomma]

30. Could this ICJ press charges??? that would be justified if they did

how is this organization different from ICC?

[Scurrilous]

36. International Commission of Jurists

About us:

http://www.icj.org/rubrique.php3?id_rubrique=11&lang=en



Questions & Answers:

http://www.icj.org/article.php3?id_article=6&id_rubrique=11&lang=en




Lebanon - Israel, Lebanon and Gaza Strip: UN to take immediate action to protect civilians

http://www.icj.org/news.php3?id_article=3986&lang=en

<snip>

"Following the latest escalation of Israeli air raids and military incursions into Lebanon that have dramatically impacted on the lives of hundreds of thousands of civilians, the International Commission of Jurists (ICJ) has called today on the UN to take immediate action to protect the civilian population in Lebanon, as well as in the Gaza Strip.

"The widespread lethal impact of the Israeli armed operations on Lebanese civilians and infrastructure has to stop immediately", said Mr Federico Andreu-Guzman, deputy Secretary-General of the ICJ. The organization is extremely concerned by the apathy of the international community and the inactivity of key governments toward the ongoing Israeli military actions in Lebanon as well as in Gaza, and the widespread killings and suffering of people. The ICJ calls on the Security Council - or the General Assembly if the Security Council is unable to come to an agreement - to take immediate and effective measures to stop the military escalation in which civilians have already paid a huge price. "Such measures may include the dispatch of a new UN multinational force or a drastic strengthening of the mandate of UNFIL, and a substantive enlargement of its personnel", added Mr Andreu-Guzman. Time is of the essence, and any further procrastination by the international community and the UN would be irresponsible.

For the past eight days and nights, the Israeli air forces have destroyed countless civilian buildings, infrastructure and means of transportation in operations that have killed more 300 people - most of them civilians - and wrecked havoc on Lebanese cities, harbours, airports and other infrastructure, leading to the displacement of more than half a million people. Appalled by the impact of the ruthless military operations, the ICJ recalls that Israel has to unconditionally respect the lives and security of civilians and abide by the Geneva Conventions to which it is a party. Under the law of war, intentional attacks against the civilian population as such or against civilians not taking direct part in hostilities, as well as the extensive destruction of property not justified by military necessity, constitute war crimes. The wanton destruction of the Beirut airport and civilian aircrafts are blatant examples of these destructions. Similarly, the bombing of undefended towns, villages and dwellings that are not military objectives, as well as the intentional attacks that will knowingly cause incidental loss of life or injury to civilians also constitute war crimes for which individuals can be held criminally responsible."

[The Magistrate]

35. For The Record, Sir, That Is International Committee Of Jurists

Not International Court of Justice. Their statements on the matter are not authoritative.

[autorank]

17. This is the art of "defense" so some say. I say it's just murder on

the grand scale only justified by the tragically delusional political and religious philosophies on both sides of this equation. The Israeli's have the best weapons so they will end up doing the most killing but the lunatics of Hamas need to hang their heads in shame too. What on earth did they think would happen if they poked the hornets nest of right wing conniving and fury, an invitation to the negotiating table?

As outlines in the Power of Nightmares, two paranoid, uncivilized philosophies void of reason and compassion are locked in bitter conflict over nothing more than their illness while the rest of the world is held hostage.

Shame shame shame

[truedelphi]

19. The rest of the world is held hostage

Neither of those two sides is right, there is so much hatred on the sides of both extremist groups

And the rest of us are indeed hostage to their situation

[mikelewis]

18. That'll teach those "innocent" people to allow ...

fascist-minded religious zealots to take over control of their country. :sarcasm:

Of course, that could never happen here...

[Seabiscuit]

25. In fact, that's Al Queda's logic against the U.S.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

26. Holy Mother of God...

:cry:

[pinto]

28. Just a note about civility.

The Israel/Hezbollah conflict is a hot issue, emotionally and politically. Just a reminder that DUers can help us help DU run on as even a keel as possible during this.

Here's the pertinent excerpt from our membership rules.

"Personal Attacks, Civility and Respect

The administrators of Democratic Underground are working to provide a place where progressives can share ideas and debate in an atmosphere of mutual respect. Despite our best efforts, some of our members often stray from this ideal and cheapen the quality of discourse for everyone else. Unfortunately, it is simply impossible to write a comprehensive set of rules forbidding every type of antisocial behavior. The fact that the rules do not forbid a certain type of post does not automatically make an uncivil post appropriate, nor does it imply that the administrators approve of disrespectful behavior. Every member of this community has a responsibility to participate in a respectful manner, and to help foster an atmosphere of thoughtful discussion. In this regard, we strongly advise that our members exercise a little common decency, rather than trying to parse the message board rules to figure out what type of antisocial behavior is not forbidden.

Do not post personal attacks or engage in name-calling against other individual members of this discussion board. Even very mild personal attacks are forbidden. "

:thumbsup: Thanks all.

[Just Me]

32. I sincerely appreciate the push towards civility.

:hi: These are challenging times and I acknowledge the difficulty of restraining emotions associated with,...well, all that associated with foresight concerning national policies.

[bdamomma]

29. I have not gone to the site yet,

these massacres or genocide taking place in Lebanon and Isreal, have been taken place in Iraq too. Remember our attention has been on Lebanon and the killing still takes place in Iraq.

what are we doing? to ourselves and to everyone, we all have the same color of blood --- red. we are no different from anyone else.

those images are terrible, I am sick of seeing human life squashed by this dangerous regime we have in power, we all know that the US is behind this, this is the war they wanted.

[Just Me]

33. I have no desire to go there, having seen enough carnage,...

,...in Iraq to scar me, forever. I post as an acknowledgment of the unecessary death and destruction without any compulsion to self-impose further emotional damage in the form of PTSD.

[mmonk]

34. Remember, our government put your name on this.

You'll be known for it.

[Voltaire99]

38. U.S. politicians who sanction this collective punishment deserve no votes.

They shan't have mine.

[lonestarnot]

40. War is a horrible spectacle to behold in any time or place.

We must stop it. The world must unite to stop it.