GREAT! - Now Lebanese government/military is joining Hezbollah to defend??

[jsamuel]

the country??? :sarcasm: heard this on Countdown

This is EXACTLY WHY YOU DON'T DO THIS!!!!!!

Invading/blowing up a country does not stop terrorism

So instead of having a government to work with to fight terrorism, we now have a government who is being backed into working with a terrorist organization.

AH!!!!!

Edit: Link down below contridicts this. So this is in question.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/22060D49-9841-40F1-BD91-33E9CD62AD70.htm

So instead, this says that they will fight Israel as well, but Hezbollah cannot "join" the army. Kinda sketchy exactly how that would work though.

[Botany]

1. Mission Accomplished ...... The Mid East is now a mess .... thanx *

But we will send Condi in 3 days .... when she is ready ...... :puke:

[wtmusic]

6. Could someone put together a shoe sale in Beirut

and hurry, please? :eyes:

[saigon68]

21. Lebanon as a Country is about to be destroyed

Like Serbia in World War 1 it will never be the same again.

[DELUSIONAL]

2. war is often a means of recruitment

this isn't a surprising development -- sad for the mindless recruits -- sad for the endless death.

Can the Necons be brought up on war crime charges?

[jsamuel]

8. we (dems) need to verbalize this over and over

[JI7]

3. wasn't this the Government that Bush talked up and supported ?

and how he was going to do the same in Iraq ?

[jsamuel]

4. YES!

[magellan]

5. Well, if someone invaded us

...I wouldn't quibble to find a Repuke standing beside me on the front lines.

[autorank]

7. The level of stupidity is criminal...

At moments like this I wonder if "They Live" was a pre-cognitive documentary. That's how absurd and unbelievable this is. The idiot Rice and her "quaint" comment on cease fires. She has here second Hall of Fame moment for the role of biggest failure in foreign policy.

Now I know why Colbert's speech was so important. He spoke to an assemblage of the very worst people who have ever governed in the history of the world AND he showed them total contempt. These are the people who have blithely put the fate of the human species at risk through neglect of global warming. How do you top governance leading to the extinction of your own species? Well they're trying and we should respect them in their quest for ever lower depths of depravity


(P.S. but fellas and femmes of neocon world, forget it, placing the survival of the human species at risk is simply too high a bar to reach; relax, give it a rest).

[DELUSIONAL]

9. I found a somewhat different take on this - army isn't joining Hizbolla

But al-Murr said the Lebanese army would not be working directly with Hezbollah.

"But for the resistance (Hezbollah) to enter the army and fight alongside the army, this is not an option, because the army can't fight like the resistance, nor can the resistance fight like the army."

Lebanon's army is drawn from all the country's religious communities and has remained largely neutral in the conflict between Hezbollah and Israel.

However, at least a dozen of its soldiers have been killed after Israeli aircraft targeted its bases.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/22060D49-9841-40F1-BD91-33E9CD62AD70.htm

edited to add:
oh my -- learning more names of key players --

Elias al-Murr is the Lebanese defence minister

[jsamuel]

10. thanks

I guess Countdown had a slight misstatement.

[aquart]

18. Does it sound like an assurance

That the Lebanese army will not attack Hezbollah from the rear? Rather than they are marching out to attack Israel's army?

[chookie]

11. Not enough snot knocked out of them yet

This is hardly something no one had anticipated.

The NeoCon plan is for Lebanese to lay under their aerial strikes, and blame their pain solely on the oops they made when they democratically voted for Hezbollah representation in their elected government -- nothing to do with Israel!

Now, in deciding, after 9 days of carnage, to defend their people from foreign attack, Lebanon has gone from "harboring terrorists" to being a "terrorist state." They will have to be annihilated to ensure the security of Israel against a terrorist state on their border. Dear GOD -- can the war waged upon them become even more brutal, and the indifference of the world more silent?

BTW -- anyone remember the Cedar Revolution? Republicans were crowing that it was a sign that Bush's policies were succeeding magnificently. The lauded "Cedar Revolution" is now a dead child, or a burned woman, or a buried old man. As Afghanis had to beg for mercy in 2001, as the US moved in, that they were the freedom fighters that Reagan praised, so now Lebanese will cry out that they were part of the Cedar Revolution -- and no one, officially, but with broad popular support, will give a shit.

The fucking NeoCons are forcing monkey boy into making an historical high stakes gamble, winner take all. And it will be shown to have been wagered on a bad hand.

We are NOT "all Israelis". We are all totally fucked.

[DELUSIONAL]

14. I hope bushie doesn't try to invade Venezuela -- heaven help us

I was in the Caribbean when the first attempt at a coup happened -- people in the region were PISSED. They acted as if the whole region had been attacked by bush.

bush keeps getting board with wars and moves on to the next one . . .

basically he has no idea what he is doing --

OR he is putting one hell of a good act as the global village idiot.

We are totally fucked -- and it will get worse.

bush will quickly tire of his latest fling.

This is a vicarious war against terrorism for him --

Who ever invented the war against terrorism phase IS the terrorist.

I agree:

"We are all totally fucked".

[chookie]

15. I've been pondering this question for years:

Are George and pals merely incompetent, or is everything going exactly according to plan?

My tentative conclusion is that everything is going exactly according to plan. It may not be a laser-like well thought out and executed program, but they improvise with remarkable talent.

When one is a member of the global plutocracy, set up as leader of a democratic country (HA HA HA HA!!) -- one can act as idiotically as one can manage, without consequence, as there are always hidden hands to catch one when one falls. As long as he carries the one gene that demands total control for one's tribe....

Dear friend -- I disagree with you (although DESPERATELY hoping you are correct) -- I don't think George ever bores of Chimperial wars. He is energized by them!! They are what he does best!! He moves from one war, to another war, to another, ever enlarging war -- in a deliberate sequence, planned long before he stole the presidency.

Venezuela was a bit of a hiccup -- but George/Dick'll be back and get it right next time. After all, Chavez has been ordained as the New World's primary "Hitler" du jour, and we must protect America from, um -- beside hiding your sisters, you MUST consider that maybe Hugo is aiding Fidel in breeding those darn West Nile Disease infected mosquitos, which Bolton YEARS ago warned us were being set upon the US as an act of biological warfare.

Nice to meet you, DELUSIONAL. Hope to jaw jaw with you again. Stay safe in these wacka wacka times.

[DELUSIONAL]

17. I keep going back and forth between -- he is crazy -- or maybe not

I agree war is what he does best -- Mark Crispen Miller explained it in his first book about bush -- bush doesn't mess up his words/speeches when talking about death, blood -- nasty topics. Bush loves war -- the starting of wars -- but when his little adventure starts to turn nasty -- he moves on -- to the next war. I believe that Lebanon is his next war (it is promoted as Israel's war -- but I think this another bush war.)

Yep -- you bet he has list -- probably playing cards with pictures of the countries he'd like to invade/bomb/destroy (or clean out the terroristic cells of).

Perhaps his act at the G-8 --- was because he knew that his next war was coming up -- and his job was to distract?

Chavez -- I hope he can out last bush. He is highly respected in the whole Caribbean and South American region -- by the ordinary people. If you could have seen the anger in the voice of the people when the news came out about the coup. "Your bush just kidnapped Chavez .. ." -- wow these guys were mad and they KNEW that I was not a bush supporter. It didn't matter -- I was an American. These men were from Guyana -- from the neighboring country. There is lots of gossip in the Carib region -- and bush is NOT held in high regard. If you had heard the anger in the voice of these men . . . invading or harming Chavez would be one of the dumbest moves of the neocons. It would be like opening a can of nasty worms.

Anyway I just feel so sad . . . we are all being manipulated.



If bush in any way harms Chavez -- we are in very big trouble.

[chookie]

20. Okay, I see your point better now

He starts one war -- passionately declaiming it's absolutely necessity to prevent America's extermination by turbaned ruffians or South American communist dictators with Hitler-like ambitions of world domination and mass slaughter, and promises it will be clean and quick. It disintegrates into disaster. So, he starts another war -- passionately declaiming it's absolutely necessity to prevent America's extermination by turbaned ruffians or South American communist dictators wHlaowdams, and promises it will be clean and quick.

He's about to lead us, IMHO, -- gulp -- into the Big One right wing wackos have been clamoring for since 1950. I fear we will soon be drawn into a regional/world war in the Middle East -- it's just a single provocation, or perhaps even a LIHOP, away (IMHO).

>>invading or harming Chavez would be one of the dumbest moves of the neocons. It would be like opening a can of nasty worms. <<
Oh -- you are so STUBBORNLY reality based!!, bless your heart. NeoCons are curiously heedless of the risks of prying open dangerous cans of dangerous worms. Go figure. (Reminds one of the adage that the definition of insanity is expecting different results when you do the same exact thing.)

But Bush may "feel in his gut" that the USA is being dissed by Hugo (who has a popular following in the US too -- I buy gas exclusively at Citgo) -- but maybe he thinks he can make him the next Noriega, in the manner of his daddy, and eliminate him as a frustration to Bush Crime Family ambitions in the region on one pretext or another.

Why are the NeoCons so NUTS? They're high stakes gamblers. Lady luck, give it to me! And if I hurt anybody -- fuck 'em!

It bears repeating -- We are not "All Israelis" now -- We are all (including Israelis) totally totally fucked.

Nice to have met you. Take care.

[NNN0LHI]

12. Their army had better stay clear of any fighting

They will just get in the way.

Don

[mmonk]

13. They feel they have no choice but to do their duty

and defend their citizens. Are they to be criticized for that?

[MGD]

19. They're just pawns in a game that is much bigger than they are.

It's proxy war at its worst. They'll die honorably but they'll still die. Israel will take heavy casualties too though I think because Hezbollah is well armed, well supplied, well funded and well entrenched. The current ground activity appears to be probing activity on Israel's part; they're looking for strengths and weaknesses in the Hezbollah lines. The Israelis are pros, they won't just rush in. they'll attenuate those lines before they cross them too which is what the air activity is all about IMO. They first destroyed the infrastructure necessary to resupply the southern lines too. Very smart.

[lonestarnot]

16. There wasn't a doubt about this before the blow-up that this is

what they would do. No surprise here.

[TheModernTerrorist]

22. well duh

Bush is trying to be a uniter... just not for us.