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raysr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 01:54 PM
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Evangelicals are "Jews" of the 21st century
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 01:55 PM
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1. How utterly... odd.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 01:57 PM
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2. Odd? I guess that'll work. I sure can't come up with anything better.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 02:02 PM
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3. I can come up with something better...
...but can't use it in mixed company. :grr:

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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 02:04 PM
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4. With "friends" like these....
...who know the rest!
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 02:16 PM
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8. Who needs enemas?
I think that's how it goes...
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 02:17 PM
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9. LOL!
If that is what it takes to get rid of these shits....I am all for it! :rofl:
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 02:04 PM
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5. In their minds, this is them being tolerant and reaching out
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Sapphocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 02:10 PM
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7. Well, that's what it's supposed to look like.
The RRR is desperate to make sure X number of unconverted Jews are left at the time of the Rapture. They need 'em for their "blood sacrifice," or the fundies won't fly into the air to meet Jesus.

Oops, did I say that out loud? See, we're not supposed to know about that part of The Plan!
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 02:23 PM
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10. Nope. It's all about real estate.
Scriptural prophecy makes it pretty clear that the rapture/2nd coming can only happen when Greater Israel is restored--meaning that Israel would expand to its pre-Roman boundaries, including big chunks of Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Syria, and even Saudi Arabia and Iraq.
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Sapphocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 03:03 PM
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11. Oops, forgot about that!
Probably because I'm so grimly fascinated by the bit about how two-thirds of all Jews have to die in the Great Tribulation so the fundies can take wing.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 02:05 PM
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6. i have to with ms T. Grannie -- how utterly odd.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 04:05 PM
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12. Which is why Mehlman pinged them at their dinner with the quote
Edited on Sat Jul-22-06 04:14 PM by chill_wind
"Today we are all Israeli's."

and had the RNC distribute it far and wide.

Mehlman Addresses "Christians United for Israel" Dinner.

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=69417

The Neocons have always understood how to enlist, exploit and utilize the gullible political support of this fanatic base, with their fanatic brand of end-times eschatology.


Alternet: Leo Strauss' Philosophy of Deception


By Jim Lobe, AlterNet. Posted May 19, 2003.

Many neoconservatives like Paul Wolfowitz are disciples of a philosopher who believed that the elite should use deception, religious fervor and perpetual war to control the ignorant masses.

http://www.alternet.org/story/15935/
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SammyBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 04:13 PM
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13. Yes, because there is a Holocaust against Evangelicals. BULLSHIT!!!
n/t
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 04:21 PM
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15. Why do people covet victimhood?
:shrug:
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 04:22 PM
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16. Those type of Christians want to see themselves as victims
because they believe that they will be rewarded by god for their "persecution."
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 04:35 PM
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22. I really think SOME "Christians" ....
Edited on Sat Jul-22-06 04:35 PM by TahitiNut
... act as though all others should emulate Jesus and sacrifice their lives for them, too. Hell, if Jesus died on the cross for Junior's sins, then why shouldn't a few thousand troops, Iraqis, and Afghanis die for him as well?

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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 04:37 PM
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23. Wow! I'd never thought of it like that, but by god, I think
you're on to something there! Instead of becoming "Christ-like," somehow their warped version of Christianity has become a dangerous, exclusionary sense of entitlement.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 04:46 PM
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25. Yep. Bizarre, isn't it? It fits, though.
After all, if GOD will die a gruesome death for the "born-again" then why shouldn't the dregs of the "unsaved" die for the "chosen" as well?

I've heard devotee's of a "Christian faith" espouse the notion that earthly affluence was an indication of God's favor - that the rich were innately deserved, from a theological sense.

I gotta tell ya ... that's not what I learned studying theoology and philosophy. The mental contortions of sociopaths never fail to amaze me.

As a person who believes in some Transcendent Spirit, I cannot bring myself to join any religion. It just wouldn't be right.

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 04:29 PM
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20. Falls to Climb.

I'll take the position
assume the missionary part
you work by committee,
you had me pegged from the start.
I'll be pounce pony,
phony maroney,
pony before the cart.
I'll be pounce pony.
this ceremony
only fills my heart.

who cast the final stone?
who threw the crushing blow?
someone has to take the fall
why not me?

a punch toy volunteer
a weakling on its knee.
is all you want to hear
and all you want to see.
romantically, you'd martyr me
and miss this story's point
it is my strength, my destiny
this is the role that I have chosen.

who cast the final stone?
who threw the crushing blow?
someone has to take the fall
why not me?

gentlemen mark your opponents
fire into your own ranks.
pick the weakest as strategic
move. square off. to
meet your enemy.
for each and every gathering
a scapegoat falls to climb.
as I step forward, silently.
deliberately mine

who cast the final stone?
who threw the crushing blow?
someone has to take the fall
why not me? why not me.
had consequence chose differently
had fate its ugly head
my actions make me beautiful
and dignify the flesh

me. I am free. free.


http://www.retroweb.com/rem/lyrics/menu_Up.html
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 04:22 PM
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18. No one said they are sane. But the Straussians do know how to
Edited on Sat Jul-22-06 04:28 PM by chill_wind
to tap into their fervency for political usefulness. If they weren't useful, even essential, Mehlman wouldn't be pandering and soliciting for Bush and the neocons in front of them and their dinners.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 04:19 PM
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14. Poor Reverend Hagee
Let's pray that Jesus comes before the good minister is forced to pay his taxes by those evil secularists.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 04:22 PM
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17. Yeah. Any interested Jews should read the end of the "Left Behind" script.
The Jews are merely a tool. If they don't accept Jeeebus before Act III, it's "off to the fiery furnace!"--- with the rest of us sinners, fornicators, deadheads, compulsive masturbators, religion mockers and tight pant wearers.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 04:42 PM
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24. heh :-) Bageant:: Have we finally become the dumbest mofos on the planet?
What the ‘Left Behind’ Series Really Means

Have we finally become the dumbest mofos on the planet?


By Joe Bageant


“The best thing about the Left Behind books is the way the non-Christians get their guts pulled out by God.”

-- 15-year old fundamentalist fan of the Left Behind series

That is the sophisticated language and appeal of America’s all-time best selling adult novels celebrating the ethnic cleansing of non-Christians at the hands of Christ. If a Muslim were to write an Islamic version of last book in the Left Behind series, Glorious Appearing, and publish it across the Middle East, Americans would go berserk. Yet tens of millions of Christians eagerly await and celebrate an End Time when everyone who disagrees with them will be murdered in ways that make Islamic beheading look like a bridal shower. Jesus -- who apparently has a much nastier streak than we have been led to believe—merely speaks and “the bodies of the enemy are ripped wide open down the middle.” In the book Christians have to drive carefully to avoid “hitting splayed and filleted corpses of men and women and horses.”



http://www.yuricareport.com/

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 04:55 PM
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26. That kid is going to be ALL OVER the videogame.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 05:39 AM
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27. Holeee Crap! nt
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 04:24 PM
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19. Uh?
Uh?

Ouch. Damn....my head hurts.

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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 04:29 PM
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21. Those Evangelicals are great friends of the Jews. Some quotes:
"Who will the Antichrist be? I don't know. Nobody else knows. Is he alive and here today? Probably... Of course, he'll be Jewish. Of course, he'll pretend to be Christ." (Rev. Jerry Falwell, January 29th, 1999 at a conference on evangelism at Kingsport, Tenn.)

"Communism was the brain-child of German-Jewish intellectuals."( Pat Robertson, in The New World Order, (1991), p.17)
Pat Robertson, founder of the Christian Coalition has spoken of Jews being "spiritually blind" and "spiritually deaf." (St. Petersburg Times,June 26, 1994)

The Rev. Billy McCormack, the Christian Coalition's Louisiana director and former member of that state's Republican Party Central Committee, refused to repudiate former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke during his campaign for governor and the U.S. Senate, saying Duke was not as much a threat as the Jews in the ACLU. (The Religious Right: The Assault of Tolerance & Pluralism in America, produced by the Anti-Defamation League(ADL) report )

Bailey Smith, a founding father of the movement, once told 15,000 people at a Religious Roundtable briefing in Dallas, "With all due respect to those dear people, my friend, God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew." (St. Petersburg Times, June 26, 1994)

The unwarranted uproar that surrounded Gov. Kirk Fordice's simple statement of fact that 'America is a Christian nation' serves as a chilling illustration of a contemporary cultural phenomenon: the 'ghettoizing' of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. In Nazi Germany, Joseph Goebbels stigmatized the Jews until they were anathema in the eyes of the general public...The same thing is happening to Christians in America today..." (Editorial in Christian American, publication of the Christian Coalition, Jan. 1993)

"If I had to baptise a Jew, I would take him to the bridge of the Elbe, hang a stone around his neck and push him over with the words 'I baptise thee in the name of Abraham.'" (Martin Luther, in his book, "The Jews and Their Lies",1543)
"Therefore be on your guard against the Jews, knowing that wherever they have their synagogues, nothing is found but a den of devils in which sheer self-glory, conceit, lies, blasphemy, and defaming of God and men are practiced most maliciously and veheming his eyes on them." (Martin Luther, in his book, "The Jews and Their Lies",1543)

"He who hears this name from a Jew must inform the authorities, or else throw sow dung at him when he sees him and chase him away." "If I had power over the Jews, as our princes and cities have, I would deal severely with their lying mouth." (Martin Luther, in his book, "The Jews and Their Lies",1543)

"If we wish to wash our hands of the Jews' blasphemy and not share in their guilt, we have to part company with them. They must be driven from our country." (Martin Luther, in his book, "The Jews and Their Lies",1543)

"What shall we Christians do now with this depraved and damned people of the Jews? ... I will give my faithful advice: First, that one should set fire to their synagogues. . . . Then that one should also break down and destroy their houses. . . . That one should drive them out the country." (Martin Luther, in his book, "The Jews and Their Lies",1543)

"We are at fault for not slaying them ." (Martin Luther)

"...but then eject them forever from this country. For, as we have heard, God's anger with them is so intense that gentle mercy will only tend to make them worse and worse, while sharp mercy will reform them but little. Therefore, in any case, away with them!" Martin Luther, in his book, "The Jews and Their Lies",1543)

"What shall we do with...the Jews?... I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings...are to be taken from them... I advise that safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews... I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach on pain of loss of life and limb... set fire to their synagogues or schools and bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them... their homes also should be razed and destroyed." (Martin Luther)
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