interrogations by feds followed a coworker's comments on * (no kidding)

[upi402]

A guy at a worksite I was at, made comment about * to a delivery driver.
The next day Sec Serv was at that place interrogating him.

This is America under *

[driver8]

1. These guys are so afraid of the American Public -- they have

to squash the people before an uprising can occur!!

There's your tax dollars at work, folks.

[tmooses]

2. That means everyone on this forum is under investigation.

[upi402]

3. I take that risk as my patriotic duty

I have assumed as much for years now.

[tmooses]

4. Same here, wouldn't want it any other way.

[tavalon]

20. I assume that

That was one of the reasons I found the thread here where 500+ people stood up and gave their full name so moving. It is such a "fuck you" to the powers that be.

[The Backlash Cometh]

23. Count on it.

The way I look at it, the Dems are going to have the cleanest records in the next few years because we're all going to be living very clean lives, with the most corrupt and uninvestigated people belonging to the Republicans

[Maraya1969]

24. Say "HI" to the administration here. And a hearty "Fuck You" too.

:hi:

[EVDebs]

28. Domestic spying is illegal and they know it, but do it anyway

Look up Operation Chaos

""For over fifteen years, the CIA, with assistance from numerous government agencies, conducted a massive illegal domestic covert operation called Operation CHAOS. It was one of the largest and most pervasive domestic surveillance programs in the history of this country. Throughout the duration of CHAOS, the CIA spied on thousands of U.S. citizens. The CIA went to great lengths to conceal this operation from the public while every president from Eisenhower to Nixon exploited CHAOS for his own political ends....

This activity led the CIA to establish proprietary companies, fronts, and covers for its domestic operations. So widespread did they become that President Johnson allowed the then CIA Director, John McCone, to create in 1964 a new super-secret branch called the Domestic Operations Division (DOD), the very title of which mocked the explicit intent of Congress to prohibit CIA operations inside the U.S. (2)-- Morton H. Halperin, et al., eds., The Lawless State (New York: Penguin, 1976), p. 138 ).

This disdain for Congress permeated the upper echelons of the CIA. Congress could not hinder or regulate something it did not know about, and neither the President nor the Director of the CIA was about to tell them. Neither was J. Edgar Hoover, even though he was generally aware that the CIA was moving in on what was supposed to be exclusive FBI turf.""

Domestic Surveillance: The History of Operation CHAOS
by Verne Lyon
from Covert Action Information Bulletin, Summer 1990

http://www.serendipity.li/cia/lyon.html

Illegal warrantless domestic surveillance/searches/seizures of information has led "them" to outsource the TIA program to the Bahamas under Global Information Group, Ltd.

My main reaction to this fiasco is the "every president from Eisenhower to Nixon exploited CHAOS for his own political ends" quote. It seems that Bush wishes to restore the Imperial perogatives of the past for his own nefarious ends. Rex84 and the American gulag for dissenters that Ollie North and Co. dreamed up during the Reagan era, while the President was asleep the crazies in the WH basement were burning the midnight oil dreaming up ways to 'get the dissenters' and 'end criticism' of the president at all costs.

[Trish1168]

29. Does Maxwell Smart oversee operation 'CONTROL'?

Lets discuss this. Lower the 'cone of silence'.

[EVDebs]

30. No, Global Information Group, Ltd., in the Bahamas is more likely

Total Surveillance
http://www.motherjones.com/interview/2005/12/albrecht.h ...

Couple this insidious technology with purposely erroneous background checks

Who is checking the background checkers?
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1128/p13s02-wmgn.html

They've offshored, outsourced, and privatized TIA. Now all they have to do is fire you for being 'of the wrong political party' and put false information in your background data...and voila ! You've just created the most insidious terror project in the US ever.

[Trish1168]

31. scary shit.

I wasn't making fun. I just couldn't resist the joke. I believe you. Its scary.

[bbinacan]

5. No shit?

I may be able to help. I know an ACLU attorney that might be interested. She only asks for no BS. Let me know. Peace.

[upi402]

7. I just re-upped my ACLU membership. It's an honor to do it.

The guy is out of the country right now.
Not sure when he returns but if I go back to that site in the near-term I'll tell him about the ACLU.
People were silent on that job around me at first. Frightened of new people, but angry about it too.

[druidity33]

25. Really?

They let him fly? Seems like they would've prohibited that if they thought he was a threat...


...little bathroom stickers...

[Dr.Phool]

10. A friend of mine, a Congressional Candidate in '02 and '04

and a peace activist, just found out, through a FOIA request, that the FBI has been monitoring his calls for years!!!!!

[lady lib]

6. What was the comment?

Did he make a threat?

[upi402]

8. I don't know, I didn't hear it

and the 3rd party report may be weak.
But it was not a serious thing, it was just BSing around I was told. He was a joker I guess.

[bbinacan]

9. This is apparently a

wild goose chase. I sent this link to my ACLU buddy, and she replied, "Oh give me a fucking break. Do you know how many emails I get like this." OK, I'm :blush:

[upi402]

11. Yeah, he must have deserved it. Glad it wasn't me.

:hi:

[bbinacan]

13. I never implied he deserved it,

I'm just passing along what I've heard. No offense intended.:hi:

[Mojorabbit]

12. Did she mean it happens often? n/t

[upi402]

14. no big deal, didn't happen to us huh?

anyone know that saying from the Nazi era?
Kinda goes;
"...and when they came for my neighbor I remained silent again. He must have deserved it. And anyway, at least it wasn't me..."

If an ACLU attorney said "give me a fucking break" regarding this occurance -I want my FUCKING DONATION BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[upi402]

16. That which you do not resist becomes that which you will accept

Free speach zones

[Sal Minella]

18. I think she meant there's no way to make a case of this because

the persons involved aren't known and witnesses aren't available and she gets non-actionable calls like this so frequently now it's driving her crazy, I think is what she means -- Instead of wanting to ask for my donation back, I wish I could afford to send more.

Our tax dollars at work, persecuting us.

[upi402]

19. Wonder how she would know the unknowns. Or are there known unknowns

that are known to her, but the unknowns that she knows are actually knowns in reality that are known by the witnesses that I know.

no worries

[bbinacan]

17. That is my understanding but

when I talk to her again, I'll try to get a clarification. She does complain about all the conspiracy theories(I'm not pointing fingers to anyone here), but she is growing weary of all the tin-foil hat thoughts of many. She is truly at a crossroads in her life.

[Lerkfish]

26. sounds like she works for the wrong outfit, then. ACLU should be

absolutely in defense of people who feel their rights have been abridged.

If she refers to them as "tin foil hat thoughts", she is not paying attention. Ask her why her own organization is unable to get the Abu Ghraib photos released...does she consider that a "tin foil hat thought" that the govt. is putting itself above the law?

If she is at a crossroads, she should find other employment so that her position may be manned by someone who actually gives a crap about civil liberties.

Either her attitude smells, or something else does.

[f-bush]

15. As I've said before...........

We live in a Nazi state and we've let shrub do it!

[Skittles]

21. was it some kind of threat?

no threats, even in a joking manner, will be tolerated; it is a no-tolerance policy

[Tsiyu]

22. Which delivery company?

The Brown people?

I really want to know, because if it is policy for a certain company's delivery drivers to rat on people for conversations they have , I will never use that delivery company. And many DUers would appreciate the forewarning.

Thanks and that must have been a trip to hear about. Sheesh!

[EVDebs]

27. After he's fired, they'll terrorize with background checks and RFIDs

Total Surveillance
http://www.motherjones.com/interview/2005/12/albrecht.h ...

Couple this insidious technology with purposely erroneous background checks

Who is checking the background checkers?
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1128/p13s02-wmgn.html

They've offshored, outsourced, and privatized TIA. Now all they have to do is fire you for being 'of the wrong political party' and put false information in your background data...and voila ! You've just created the most insidious terror project in the US ever.

Eventually Ollie North's dream of camps for dissenters (Rex84, Operations Garden Plot and CableSplicer etc), and 'suspension of the Constitution', will end up being reapproved by Justice Samuel Alito & Co. and they'll never have to worry about dissent or rational criticism ever again. The Bill of Rights will then get a proper burial by those sworn to protect it. Shameful.

[Dora]

32. Same thing happened to a friend of mine

In 2001, she sent in her personal info sheet for her 10-year high school reunion (she was not going to attend). On the "what are you doing now?" section, she wrote in a stupid, stupid, stupid comment about Bush that was apparently construed as threatening because a few weeks later she spent all day on a Saturday being interrogated by the Secret Service.

[EVDebs]

34. This is how Dan Brown got into writing fiction

A student of his criticised the president (Clinton at the time) and the SS secret service came and did interrogations etc. Brown got so caught up in it he ended up writing about the NSA in his first novel Digital Fortress. The rest is history.

[FreedomAngel82]

33. Are you serious?!