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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 10:41 AM
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Israel Planned Lebanon Strike w/Bush-Cheney for More than a Year
Edited on Sun Jul-23-06 11:12 AM by leveymg
Some interesting reports that Israel has been planning and talking with the Bush Administration for more than a year about its military incursion into Lebanon. According to an article in The San Francisco Chronicle, nothing about the seemingly sudden spread of hostilities in the Middle East comes as a surprise to the White House.

Of course, this coincides with the run up to American elections which predictably threaten a disaster for the GOP rivaling its military debacle in Iraq. Only a wider regional crisis, one which entails the possibility of a real war with massive American casualties, can hope to deflect that outcome.

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This was reported in The San Francisco Chronicle yesterday:

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/07/21/MIDEAST.TMP

More than a year ago, a senior Israeli army officer began giving PowerPoint presentations, on an off-the-record basis, to U.S. and other diplomats, journalists and think tanks, setting out the plan for the current operation in revealing detail. Under the ground rules of the briefings, the officer could not be identified.

In his talks, the officer described a three-week campaign: The first week concentrated on destroying Hezbollah's heavier long-range (rockets), bombing its command-and-control centers, and disrupting transportation and communication arteries. In the second week, the focus shifted to attacks on individual sites of rocket launchers or weapons stores. In the third week, ground forces in large numbers would be introduced, but only in order to knock out targets discovered during reconnaissance missions as the campaign unfolded. There was no plan, according to this scenario, to reoccupy southern Lebanon on a long-term basis.


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This is mirrored in a column by Juan Cole yesterday, "War on Lebanon Planned for at least a year":
http://www.juancole.com/2006/07/war-on-lebanon-planned-for-at-least.html

That this war was pre-planned was obvious to me from the moment it began. The Israeli military proceeded methodically and systematically to destroy Lebanon's infrastructure, and clearly had been casing targets for some time. The vast majority of these targets were unrelated to Hizbullah. But since the northern Sunni port of Tripoli could theoretically be used by Syria or Iran to offload replacement rockets that could be transported by truck down south to Hizbullah, the Israelis hit it. And then they hit some trucks to let truck drivers know to stay home for a while.

That is why I was so shaken by George W. Bush's overheard conversation with Tony Blair about the war. He clearly thought that it broke out because Syria used Hizbullah to create a provocation. The President of the United States did not know that this war was a long-planned Israeli war of choice.

Why is that scary? Because the Israeli planning had to have been done in conjunction with Donald Rumsfeld at the US Department of Defense. The US Department of Defense is committed to rapidly re-arming Israel and providing it precision laser-guided weaponry, and to giving it time to substantially degrade Hizbullah's missile capabilities. The two are partners in the war effort.

For the Bush administration, Iran and Hizbullah are not existential threats. They are proximate threats. Iran is hostile to US corporate investment in the oil-rich Gulf,, and so is a big obstacle to American profit-making in the region. Rumsfeld is worried about Iran's admission as an observer to the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, which is to say, that he is worried about a budding Chinese-Islamic axis that might lock up petroleum reserves and block US investments. If Chinese economic and military growth make it the most significant potential challenger to the Sole Superpower in the coming century, a Chinese alliance with the oil-rich Muslim regions, including Iran, would be even more formidable. The Shanghai group has already pulled off one coup against Rumsfeld, successfully convincing Uzbekistan to end US basing rights in that country.


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Of course these plans have been in place for more than a year. The concept of a preemptive attack on Iran was vetoed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff in 2004. Reports broadcast about Cheney's ordering nuclear first-strikes against Iran sounded more like sabre rattling rather than realistic military planning. This is the real alternative -- more conventional -- plan of attack. Rev up sympathy for Israel, let the Israeli military loose on Hamas and Hezbollah as a provocation to their allies, and then if that doesn't draw Syria and Iran into hostilities, one more step will be required. A phony showdown over Iran's WMDs.

The hope is that Iran/Syria do something stupid in response to this display of Israeli muscle-flexing in Lebanon and Palestine that would justify a more active, direct American role in the conflict.

The connection with Iranian "missiles" and Shi'a "terrorists" has already been established in the heads of most Americans, so a progression to an actual strike against Iranian and Syrian missile sites would now be much more politically palatable.

However, a successful war with Iran -- one which the U.S. achieves political-military objectives with foreseeable outcomes at an acceptable cost -- is still unrealistic from a military perspective. The uniformed military has been resisting any plan that would involve direct fighting, a shutdown of the Straits, and the likely escalation into a real exchange of WMDs between Iran and Israel. So, I still don't believe that this crisis is actually going to lead to a direct U.S.-Iran war.

Finally, this incursion into Lebanon doesn't seem to be doing much for the Israelis, either, other than killing a bunch of Hezb'allah, "setting Lebanon back twenty years", and expending munitions on both sides. So, I have growing doubts that this is actually going to lead to any real strategic change in the balance of power in the region. It's doing wonders for oil and defense industry profits, which may be the real point of all this carnage in the Middle East.
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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 10:46 AM
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1. LBN thread on this
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 10:56 AM
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4. Story not on Greatest page anymore. Kicked.
Needs follow-up. :kick:
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 10:47 AM
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2. And this why Condi and her do nothing tactics are in play.
Israel is just defending it's self .... Please.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 10:59 AM
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5. And this is what pisses me off about Juan Cole.
It's only been, what, three or four days since he was saying that this operation was obviously unplanned, that it was simply a massive paranoid overreaction to the kidnappings.

He's a smart man. He has a lot of good to contribute. But sometimes his ego really fucking pisses me off.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 11:01 AM
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7. What's your response to the underlying SF Chronicle article?
Is that ego and paranoia, also?
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 11:06 AM
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9. My response was that it was rather surprising...
...given the abject failure of the IDF to accomplish anything resemblign its goal, but I think that speaks more to Olmert's failure as a leader (and especially a military leader) than to whether or not it was planned. But that wasn't the point I was trying to make at all.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 11:18 AM
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14. What was Ohmert's plan, in your opinion?
Was this thing really just a display of immature resolve on the part of an insecure leader? Or, was this part of a war plan by Dick, Rummy and Ariel, that survived Sharon's incapacitation?
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 11:21 AM
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16. Why are those the only two options?
I suspect it is a combination of a planned operation and botched on-the-fly planning during the operation. That whole "no battle plan survives contact with the enemy" thing.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 11:24 AM
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19. Overall, nothing appears to have been a surprise to the IDF
Yes, there have been some on the-spot tactical changes, but no dramatic developments, so far.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 11:40 AM
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26. is it reeeeeeally his ego or his political stance?
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 11:48 AM
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28. I have no problem with his political stance.
I have a problem with his I-told-you-so's when he did not, in fact, tell us so. And this isn't the first time. It is a disappointing tendency, seeing as he usually has something worthwhile to say.
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 12:28 PM
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32. I agree
I largely agree with the views he anunciates but when it comes to Israel he tends to adopt an overly polemical tone that invariably always assumes the worst of the Israelis. I don't approve when pro-Israel folks always assume cynical "they just hate Jews"-motives to Israel's opponents, so why should I like it when Juan Cole does the same thing from the opposite point of view?

Plus, he better than anyone should know better than to call on Israel to withdraw from the Shebaa Farms, which NOBODY in international law, believes is Lebanese - it was always a narrow slit of Syrian territory that is now part of the Gaza. And Hezbollah never said a word about it until Israel withdrew from Southern Lebanon and suddenly claimed it was Lebanese territory.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 12:34 PM
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34. you mean, i haven't seen you banging the israeli drum -- ??
seems like i have. sorry if i have you mixed up with someone else israel right or wrong.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 12:40 PM
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35. I bang all sorts of drums.
I personally don't identify with either side in this conflitct. I am fundamentally opposed to Olmert's government and their actions in this confluct, and also legitimising Hezbollah as a resistance movement. I prefer that my views be taken on their own, rather than slotted into some predetermined and extremely confined intellectual/rhetorical space.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 11:00 AM
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6. If Syria and Iran don't take the bait, I think this blows back bigtime on
this administration. The longer this goes on, the less sympathy the world has for Israel's overwhelming use of force in Lebanon. This administration will have to explain why they did nothing to stop it. I think it was a calculated plan to get another elective war going before the midterms. These criminals cannot lose control of Congress or investigations start to focus on all aspects of this regime's unConstitutional actions over the past 5 years. I think they let 9/11 happen. If so, they are criminally liable for the deaths of 3000 Americans. They are in so deep, they have nothing to lose by blowing up the world at this point.
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 11:10 AM
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12. Yes
This has been planned as bait to provoke Iran, giving pretext for airstrikes on Tehran.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 12:48 PM
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36. As A Matter Of Curiousity, Sir
Did Nasrallah of Hezbollah sit in on these planning sessions? After all, his actions would be essential to the execution of this plotted baiting....
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 06:24 PM
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45. The provocations were so minor, there would have been something else.
A rocket attack, an ambush, a car bombing. These are all everyday events in the region, as are abductions. It wouldn't have taken long for something to come along -- like the Hamas abduction in Gaza -- that could be used as a spring board for the Israeli attack in force.

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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 09:21 PM
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46. Keeping Lebanese prisoners, Israel knew, something that would
Edited on Sun Jul-23-06 09:21 PM by Tom Joad
provoke an attack.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 11:18 AM
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52. Perhaps they weren't smart enough to not take the bait set out for them.
Edited on Mon Jul-24-06 11:19 AM by glitch
That's how provocation works.

Edit: or they have their own reasons for wanting an escalation that brings in Iran and Syria.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 11:01 AM
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8. Well, Junior doesn't want his August on the pig farm disrupted.
Hell, the videos will probably be all ready on a pile of DVDs for his evening viewing pleasure.

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 11:07 AM
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10. Only a year?
More like ten years.

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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 11:21 AM
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17. Nine years since "A Clean Break" Five years at least, operationally,
Edited on Sun Jul-23-06 11:22 AM by leveymg
since BushCo made it all possible.

There are several intervening steps yet to come in this escalation.
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 11:09 AM
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11. This Has Everything To Do With The Possible Attack On Iran
Edited on Sun Jul-23-06 11:20 AM by loindelrio
As I postulated here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1702383&mesg_id=1702623

As I note, every report I have read regarding military action against Iran notes Hezbollah actions against Israel as one of the major retaliatory threats.

I see Israel as simply taking preemptive defensive measures against the firestorm that will soon engulf the Middle East and Persian Gulf region.

And, quite frankly, if I were in their shoes, and considering the magnitude of the debacle an attack on Iran will be, I would do the same. Considering the petrocollapse that could follow, they are going to have enough trouble maintaining order in their own country (just as we will), let alone deal with outside agitators.

And as you note, an attack on Iran is still unrealistic from a military perspective. Eliminating Hebollah is a necessary precursor to an attack, but it has other 'benefits', as you note. As you imply, they could simply be taking things one step at a time to see where they lead.

That said, who would have believed on 7/23/02, other than the most 'plugged in' of us, that we would be invading Iraq?

On edit: I think you are right. This has more to do with 'letting things lead where they may' than initiation of a set sequence of events leading to an attack on Iran as I postulated.

Well done.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 11:34 AM
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23. Thanks.
I'm not saying anything that others haven't, already and better. This is just a short summary meant to drive home the point that this is the result of joint BushCo-Likud planning. Behind both are commercial interests which see the Lebanese, Israel, Iran and the U.S. as expendible pawns. So, expect that this is leading somewhere -- also, expect that the some military and intelligence loyalists are still fighting against it.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 11:13 AM
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13. Nominated.
I think it goes back further. I think it is part of the package that includes the AIPAC spy scandal, and the neoconservative agenda to change the lay-out of the Middle East.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 11:42 AM
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27. Thanks, as well.
Edited on Sun Jul-23-06 11:42 AM by leveymg
The planning horizon of the oil and banking multinationals is measured in decades. I think something like this was foreseen in the early 1980s.

If I could foresee it in 1982 -- which I did when I wrote a series of articles, "Santa Cruz in the Year 2002-2012", published in, The Express , a little weekly newspaper in Northern California -- you'd better believe that Shell and Standard oil companies did.

Sometime soon, I'll have to post some of those at my diary.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 11:22 AM
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53. That would be fascinating. I hope you get time to do it. Dang, couldn't R
Edited on Mon Jul-24-06 11:23 AM by glitch
24 hours had passed. :(
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 11:20 AM
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15. K&R
I knew it.

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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 11:24 AM
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18. hmmmm
Edited on Sun Jul-23-06 11:25 AM by oberliner
Bush/Cheney's true reasons for supporting Israel are disturbing.

Sort of like Pat Buchanan's true reasons for being against them.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 11:28 AM
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21. Amen to that.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 12:33 PM
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33. Thank you!
That has to be the most astute comment made yet.

It's not what you see or even think you see and hear...it's what is beneath that will direct it all.

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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 11:27 AM
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20. By "the officer could not be identified"
...do they mean that the journalists themselves didn't know who they were talking to?
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 11:31 AM
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22. Wake-up Folks! This is all orchestated by the NeoCon/BushCo
central.
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WHAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 11:35 AM
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24. I think Hizbolla took them by surprise...
JMHO

the box that is Israel, unfolding in many directions but always on the same plane...is a transformer.

I also think there is too much power and politics unfolding/infolding but the dynamics will always, ultimately be constrained by a limiting reference to perspective.

ok. I think people might be spinning like hell to control a situation they didn't anticipate and thus don't comprehend.

JMHO

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Pierre.Suave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 11:37 AM
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25. this will not end well
and I fear we will all be left to fend for ourselves among one hell of a crazy world...
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 11:52 AM
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29. Someone had to lead the "Last Rogue Superpower" over the cliff
Edited on Sun Jul-23-06 11:54 AM by leveymg
How ironic that it was those elements of the Establishment -- rogue intelligence operators, Wall Street bankers and international lawyers -- that did so much to expand and consolidate U.S. power during the "American Century."

Joseph Schumpeter, a professor at Harvard, called it the "creative destruction of Capitalism" seventy years before Mike Ledeen used the phrase. It describes perfectly what's going on.
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The Cleaner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 11:52 AM
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30. Election year. Iraq a Disaster. Economy a Disaster. Afghanistan
a disaster.

Now the subject has changed from Iraq to the Middle East. The news isn't reporting in-depth on Iraq anymore, but who cares, let's find out what's happening in Lebanon.

Gingrich claims this is WWIII. Rush Limbaugh "imforms" the Repug sheeple that he's right. So if it's WWIII, then we NEED the Rethugs to stay in power because they are the only ones who can protect us.

No, sorry - it's WAY too convenient. Of course Bush worked with Israel here. It's an election year, and as they say - it's all politics.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 01:10 PM
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38. The pig references were over the top as well
and the timing for the G8 summit was too good. Further when Putin responded with the Iraq-type demcoracy, remember Bush's words -Just watch. The problem with both the neo-cons and the Zionists is that none have military experience and this will back fire faster than the Roman empire.

Factor in the US debt as a result of the war and Bushco is about to leave the cuontry and the wplanet in an unbelievable mess.
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Mikimouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 12:28 PM
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31. Is it possible that this is exactly why...
Edited on Sun Jul-23-06 12:28 PM by Mikimouse
the US made such a big push to get Syria out of Lebanon? after all, Israel would really have looked the aggressor if it had attacked lebanon while syria was still there. Just a thought.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 12:52 PM
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37. Why Do You Think That, Sir?
Do you think the people of Lebanon have no right to be free of military occupation by a country that has from its inception desired to incorporate their land into its own borders?
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Mikimouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 05:04 PM
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44. I don't have any difficulty with Lebanese autonomy...I do think
that it terribly convenient to have Syria 'out of the way'. Had the current 'war' started during Syria's presence in Lebanon, the response from other Arab nations would probably have been different, to the detriment of the US and Israelis. With Syria on the sidelines, any participation on the part of that country will be viewed as escalation, and cause for US intervention. On to Iran, after that.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 02:32 AM
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47. You got the "inception" thing wrong
Lebanon was part of Syria for a long time. The French imperialists split off Lebanon in order to give Lebanese Christians a state in which they could be a majority.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 01:11 PM
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39. Nominated, this must be kept in the forefront, imo n/t
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 01:17 PM
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40. That's not surprising
But I don't think Israel planned this as some sort of wider neocon vision w/Bushco. I believe Israel planned this since Hizbollah overtook s. Lebanon & they were just waiting for an oppurtunity to implement it. Like the article says, Israel isn't planning to occupy Lebanon, or start a wider war in the Mideast. It just wants Hizbollah gone. Bushco are the ones who see this fairly routine Arab/Israeli conflict as an opportunity to create a war w/ Iran.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 03:08 PM
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41. It's a second front against the terrarists'. nt
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 03:15 PM
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42. A risky plan. So much could go wrong
But they are going to have this war with Iran at any cost.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 11:29 AM
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54. They've been shooting the moon since 12/2000. Gotta take all the tricks.
I don't think they'll make it.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 04:51 PM
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43. Don't you think it's a bit cynical
to leave citizens stranded in Lebanon for days, feigning surprise, while all along knowing the timing of the operation?
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 06:51 AM
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48. That's not cynical.
That cruel and evil.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 11:00 AM
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51. I was just being sarcastic.
but you're right, it is cruel, evil and cynical.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 09:15 AM
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49. It was the first thing that I thought of when hearing of the invasion.
But I was too embarrassed to even post it. How could I justify a "It's Bush's fault" post without proof.

But there we are. This is probably the single most important thing to hit the news.

TO THE HAGUE!
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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 10:04 AM
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50. Cheney: Fighting In Middle East Is Reason To Vote Republican...
...and just like clockwork,
Cheney pops out of his weasel hole to prop up his corpse of a party.



(it's so predictable, it's pathetic)


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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 11:34 AM
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56. Indeed. Yet people still play their prescribed roles by taking sides
on the surface and ignoring the underlying design.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 11:32 AM
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55. Duh, this is blatantly evident.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 11:44 AM
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57. This statement is bullshit.
"That is why I was so shaken by George W. Bush's overheard conversation with Tony Blair about the war. He clearly thought that it broke out because Syria used Hizbullah to create a provocation. The President of the United States did not know that this war was a long-planned Israeli war of choice."

He knew!! And he definitely chooses to threaten Syria and Turkey to
keep at bay!!!
What Bush said to darling Tony is definitely mistranslated and misinterpretted. What I do remember him demanding tony to tell Syria
to keep hezbolla at bay.This is no way to be interpretted as Bush did not know anything about it.
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