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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 03:33 PM
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I know how to stop war in our lifetime, make it illegal.
Pass a UN resolution stating that if a country goes to war, then all UN member states consider it an enemy of peace and therefore an enemy of ALL member nations since our goal is to gain global peace.

Make it clear that no nation has the right to sanction mass killing, IE war. Any and all war will be considered murder and punishable by the laws already established for murder/mass murder. No exceptions.

It would take awhile, but I bet that would put a serious dampener on war.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 03:34 PM
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1. They can't do that. War is too profitable. n/t
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 03:35 PM
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True, we would have to admit that capitalism can be a bad thing.
And that ain't gonna happen.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 03:56 PM
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19. Right. Reminder to me: It ain't gonna happen. n/t
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KyuzoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 03:35 PM
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2. The thought had also occured to me, but....
...how do you define war, and are you willing to go to war to enforce it?
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 03:36 PM
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6. It wouldn't be war, it would be 'punishment' by member nations.
For breaking the law.
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Lusted4 Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 03:35 PM
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3. Have a war tax. n/t
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MikeNearMcChord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 03:41 PM
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10. Marine General Smedly Butler, had a proposal in his famous
"War Is a Racket" Speech(I recommend that everyone read this, he said this 60 years ago)

Here is a Snippet
"The only way to smash this racket is to conscript capital and industry and labor before the nations manhood can be conscripted. One month before the Government can conscript the young men of the nation – it must conscript capital and industry and labor. Let the officers and the directors and the high-powered executives of our armament factories and our munitions makers and our shipbuilders and our airplane builders and the manufacturers of all the other things that provide profit in war time as well as the bankers and the speculators, be conscripted – to get $30 a month, the same wage as the lads in the trenches get.

"

http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 03:35 PM
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4. The Achilles Heel of international law is the lack of an effective
enforcement mechanism. Until there's a "World Executive" the rules of the game will always be broken.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 03:35 PM
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5. They Tried It
Google Kellogg-Briand Pact
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 03:36 PM
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7. Yeah right
Because people like Bush don't do things that are illegal.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 03:39 PM
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8. And then what?
Criminalizing an activity has never stopped criminals. Never.

How, then, would this illegality be enforced... By war against the offending warmongers?
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 03:40 PM
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9. I'm thinking more along the lines of law enforcement.
When a member nation breaks the law, it gets punished. Yeah, just like war but my whole idea is just a pipe dream. I know the world will never unify in that way. Just wishful thinking.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 03:50 PM
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15. It's a nice pipe dream at least
We're currenly living in the results of a seriously fucked up one. The contrast is refreshing.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 04:16 PM
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23. Thanks. Sometimes all we have left are dreams and hopes.
nt
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 03:41 PM
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11. Yeah, making things illegal always stops them.
Like murder, theft, drug use, unsanctioned immigration, government torture, roadway speeding...

:eyes:
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 03:43 PM
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12. It would be nice to put a dampener on warring nations.
What else ya gonna do? Just declare everything an anarchy and might makes right?
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 03:54 PM
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17. You could end any given war tomorrow...
...by giving both sides more to lose than they're willing to sacrifice in a war. What that entails differs depending on the conflict, and it requires outside parties to be willing and able to provide those things. For example, the Palestinians would stop allowing themselves to be used as weapons by Arab nations against Israel if they all had good homes, good jobs, a few luxuries and were treated with respect. Israel would stop warring with the surrounding Arab nations if they would stop sending suicide bombers into their country, would stop threating them with total destruction, and would take an active role in stopping the fundamentalist organizations behind half of this. Some people would just require food and shelter. Others might need the ability to choose their own government and way of life without superpower micromanagement. Only people with nothing to lose support a war in their back yard, and not really then. Despite what governments would like us to believe, it's easier to end a war than to start it.
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Poppyseedman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 03:45 PM
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13. War is part of the human nature
making it illegal will have have same effect as making robbing banks illegal.

It doesn't stop people from robbing banks

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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 03:46 PM
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14. So do you think it would cause more wars?
I didn't think of that.
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Poppyseedman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 03:51 PM
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16. It could
Think along the laws of the war on drugs.

There is lots of evidence that making smoking marijuana a small fine instead of illegal would cut the number of people smoking dope
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 03:56 PM
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18. because "make it illegal" worked so well with marijuana EOM
Edited on Sun Jul-23-06 03:56 PM by pitohui
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 03:58 PM
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20. Funny, until now I would have never thought about a correlation between
ending war and pot, but I bet most of you are right. Making war illegal would entice some people to make war just because it is illegal!
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Ani Yun Wiya Donating Member (639 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 04:13 PM
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21. This thought is a very good start!!
All the people in all countries should be required to cast a vote, all 6 billion plus.

And the following should be part of that voting:

1. To make it illegal to have a "standing army".
2. To make it illegal to design, produce, possess and distribute armaments and arsenals.
3. To make it illegal to permit any head of state to so much as consider going to war.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 04:15 PM
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22. Those three would do it. Declaring war would be an illegal act
recognized by all member nations of the UN. Failure to comply would result in an instant boycott/sanctions by ALL countries to the warring nation.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 05:09 PM
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24. You can't legislate human nature.
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