Andy Card said what to Bush, and how long did Bush sit there on 9/11?

[MethuenProgressive]

And what's the source for the Card comment and the timing?

(yeah, I'm in an argument with a bush-bot elsewhere...)

[Monkeyman]

1. We are under attack 11 mins

[Karenca]

2. He said 'We've been attacked"

And BUSH SAT THERE FOR SOMETHING LIKE 27 MINUTES,
AND THEN HE WENT OUTSIDE FOR A PHOTO-OP.

(Just guessing on the minutes)

[Monkeyman]

3. Farenhet 9-11 said 11 mins.

Then rush out did the photo opp .Then ran and hid in a bunker instead of going to Washington

[Karenca]

5. 25 Minutes total---sitting there and then his photo-op

I feel so safe.

[Warpy]

4. "Sir we are under attack"

Bush SAT THERE for about 11 minutes, then continued with the utterly meaningless photo op for another 14 minutes as though nothing had happened.

I went through that video frame by frame. The main expression on his face right after Card interrupted his photo op was that of irritation.

There are only two conclusions: first, he is the stupidest and most callous human being the planet has ever produced and doesn't move unless someone tells him to, or second, he knew what was coming.

My money's on the latter.

[Monkeyman]

6. Yep I agree the latter

[uppityperson]

8. he was t;rying to figure out why he could't feel the tack

the one he was supposed to be sitting on. (he misheard)

(not really)

[Lisa]

16. that makes more sense than some of Bush's declarations later

That "joke" he kept repeating, about seeing the first plane crash into the tower (when the footage wasn't available for many hours after) -- and thinking "there's one terrible pilot".

[Lisa]

15. and then they had the kids as a backdrop for his announcement

... of the attacks.

Which doesn't make much sense if Bush were a potential target -- plus it would have been frightening for the children (so much for Bush's claim that he didn't react immediately to Card's news because he didn't want the kids to panic!).

[Old and In the Way]

7. "Two in, two to go."

Who really knows what Card said to Bush? Fact is, what they publicly state is probably questionable. All I know is that he hung tight looking oblivious to the horror unfolding. He had a 9:30 photo-op to worry about and he had to stay on task. Even Ari was holding up a message telling Bush to stay put.

[rfranklin]

9. "Everything is proceeding as planned, don't move too quickly...."

And then he sat there for what seemed like an eternity with that dumbstruck look on his face.

[CJCRANE]

10. "The Eagle has landed"..nt

[CJCRANE]

11. But seriously

I thought the official version is that Card said "America is under attack".

[StellaBlue]

12. Honestly, can you imagine any other American president doing that?

Er... not doing anything? Sitting there, looking stupid?

Even Reagan. Nope.

[MissWaverly]

13. 7 minutes Bush Split Video link here

http://www.outlawwebdesigns.com/bi30/seven_minutes.htm

at 9:03 President sits down with school kids, "in any case back to real history, the President
finally left the classroom at 9:16 to meet with his advisors." Page 61 of The New Pearl Harhbor

[maveric]

14. "Bingo!"

"Now you've got your trifecta".

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

17. Meanwhile Laura is at the Hill

to give a speech, and her hubby is busy flying around in the freaken sky looking for a secure place to be. Wasn't it a Dem that dragged her to safety that day?

[Monkeyman]

18. One thing why did Bush's daddy leave right before the attacks

[Spazito]

19. Here is some info...

As President Bush begins to read with the students at Booker Elementary, Chief of Staff Andrew Card interrupts to whisper to him, "A second plane hit the second tower, America is under attack." President Bush continues the lesson for another five to seven minutes, rather than alarm the students.

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/inside911/timeline.html

(Disclaimer - this is the WH side of events but it is the one that the MSM and the public have accepted)

[MethuenProgressive]

21. "National Geographic has a liberal bias"

really, that's what the goon-bat just claimed...

[Spazito]

22. ROFLMAO, I gather that when you provided him with this, he didn't

like the facts contained in it? I suspect he will not accept anything you might provide that doesn't come from limbaugh, hannity, o'reilly or fox.

[Gold Metal Flake]

23. Fallacy: Circumstantial Ad Hominem

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/circumstantial-ad-hominem.html

From the website:

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

I have never argued with a winger where they did not use falacies almost immediately.

[dorkulon]

20. Some definitive links

From the 9/11 Comission:

The President was seated in a classroom of second graders when, at approximately 9:05, Andrew Card whispered to him: "A second plane hit the second tower. America is under attack." The President told us his instinct was to project calm, not to have the country see an excited reaction at a moment of crisis. The national press corps was standing behind the children in the classroom; he saw their phones and pagers start to ring. The President felt he should project strength and calm until he could better understand what was happening.

The President remained in the classroom for another five to seven minutes, while the children continued reading. He then returned to a holding room shortly before 9:15....

Two other stories on the subject:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Jun21.html
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,595071129,00.html

[leesa]

24. 9-11 commission...definitive??? Somehow those two items don't belong

together.

He sat still as long as necessary to allow the planes to complete their job. Same with Rumsfeld and Cheney (well, Cheney actually was repeatedly asked if he wanted to hold the shoot down order on the Pentagon plane...he did)

It was all a wonderful coinky-dinky...I also liked the part where Bush flew to the military base where the CEOs of the WTC just happened to be gathered for a meeting...LUCKILY none of them were killed when the buildings went down. An AMAZING coincidence like thousands of others that day!

[Danmel]

25. Better understand what was happening?

Card whispered in his ear and walked away. Bush didn't ask a single question. Not one. seems a wee bit odd to me.

[blonndee]

26. I never thought about him not asking any questions!

Hmm. I think I may have to get my tin foil hat out of storage.