Which Roman Emperor does Bush MOST CLOSELY resemble?

[Crankie Avalon]

CALIGULA - Unrestrained "I can do whatever I want to whomever I want" madman


NERO - One-time child Emperor under tutelage of older men (Seneca, Burrus,
Cheney, etc.) who grew up to strum an instrument while a city was destroyed.


COMMODUS - After a string of deserving Emperors who were elevated due to merit (Trajan, Hadrian, Antoninus Pius, Marcus Aurelius), an incompetent who was elevated purely due to nepotism. Also liked to encourage his subjects to believe he was some sort of great gladiator/athlete, but everyone with whom he "competed" was under strict orders to throw the contest ("No one is allowed to ride ahead of the president").


ELAGABALUS - Enthusiast of bizarre religious cult.
Plus, loved to "play dress up."

[waiting for hope]

1. Nero all the way ....

He played a fiddle while Rome burned.....sound familiar?

[chimpymustgo]

3. I voted Caligula. This is a GREAT thread. K& R.

nt

[eleny]

5. Omigod!

Seems like W used this list of emperors as an a la carte menu of horrors.

[EstimatedProphet]

2. Other-Satanicus or Hitlericus

[bryant69]

4. I think he resemble Vlad the Impaler

In that both of them suffer(ed) from an irrational fear of thought.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[YOY]

12. No way. People were actually afraid of Vlad

I'm not afraid of Bush...but some of the freeps give me the creeps.

[bryant69]

16. Some of the Freeps Give me the Creeps

Hey when we do "Democratic Underground; The Musical" that should be one of the numbers.

[YOY]

23. Already one step ahead of you...

(To the tune of some some showtunesque song that only exists in my mind)

Hey there! Hi there! Ho there Freepy!
What's it like ta' be fucked-up and creepy!
Half asleepy and half-a-sheepy!
Close minded 'pinons that make the brain weepy!

Do the robot!


(to the tune of Candyman)

Who can make your head spin?
Twist your words around?
Take your arguement and say 'this is just what lib'rels do?'
The Moran man can... the moran man can because he get's it all from Rush and that's enough for him!

[madeline_con]

40. My own version of Vlad...

Vlad the Impaler

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1665165

[Ms. Clio]

6. I LOVE this thread, but I can't choose just one!

[Lisa]

57. I feel your pain! How can I bear to choose?

Especially with those wonderfully-apt capsule summaries of each emperor's similarities to Bush.

I guess if I had to select just one ... it would be Caligula. Like Bush, he had a famous dad, and was overindulged as a child! Though instead of having his troops collect seashells, Bush sent them to BE shelled. And Caligula did feel sorry for his brothers (executed by Tiberius) -- Bush just used to torment his own brothers, even shooting them in the rump with his BB gun.

Speaking of Tiberius ... there are a few similarities as well. Tiberius was rejected for the highest political office until he was quite old, and developed a lot of resentment as a result. He tried to imitate his (adopted) dad Augustus, but was unable to pull it off without a lot of help. Towards the end, he spent a lot of time away from Rome, living it up at his remote villa. He let one of his subordinates do most of the governing instead (and the guy was quite a tyrant). Tiberius always told people he didn't want to be flattered and pandered to, since he was a straightforward guy ... but of course he loved it when people sucked up, and punished anyone who didn't. A lot of Roman officials thought he was a hypocrite!

[Ms. Clio]

66. they really were so apt, weren't they?

Ultimately, I had to go with Nero and the fiddling while Rome burned/Katrina drowned.

I like the comparison to Tiberius, as well. Did you ever see I, Claudius? Tiberius was really quite the perv, too.

[bdamomma]

7. How about all of the above

bush is one sick man, don't we know this already, now can we get him out of office??

[kittenpants]

38. I vote all of the above too.

[malaise]

8. Great thread

Love it

[rolleitreks]

9. Great. First thought I had when I read the title was Elagabalus.

Never thought I'd find him.

Truth is though, Bush is more like one of those nonentities serving as consul in the last days of the Republic. Thank god he's not another Octavian!

[Crankie Avalon]

21. Definitely NOT another Octavian. Not even another Marc Antony...

...well, except maybe for the drinking.

[Mandate My Ass]

10. Thank you for posting this

What a great thread! I can't choose though. :rofl: :thumbsup:

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

11. You forgot this one...

...somewhat lesser celebrated, he was known as Georgustus Dumbfuck and he's a dead ringer for Chimpy...

[malaise]

27. That's brilliant n/t

[Ms. Clio]

42. fantastic

Saving this one for future use (and will give you full credits, of course!)

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

46. Thank you, you're very kind, however, no credit necessary...

...use it as much as you like.

[TahitiNut]

50. That's C-czar Disgustsus, Chimperor of Necromerica

:shrug:

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

53. Well, you're using his formal title...

...his popular nickname is/was Dumbfuck. You can look it up. But don't consult a history text, look it up in your gut. That's how I found it--not in your gut, of course, in my own.

[acmejack]

13. No doubt about it, Caesar Disgustus!

A lesser known Emperor, Disgustus was known for his rancid breath, callowness of character, predilection to prevarication & general asininity. Disgustus drained the once flush Roman Treasury, squandered the magnificent Legions, once the envy of the world, and through deviousness and trickery he corrupted the Roman Senate. He elevated the art of spectacle and 29% of the people loved him without reservation, believing him to be the son of God.

[TripeOmatic]

65. LOL - I like it. - n/t

[Pacifist Patriot]

14. Where is "A Composite?" That would be my choice.

An amalgamation of all the worst traits.

[corkhead]

15. If he had been a Roman leader, he would have been WEE...WORST EMPEROR EVER

[Kahuna]

17. All of the above..

P.S. You so crazy, Crankie! :rofl:

[whistle]

18. Actually, Bush most resembles the Roman Emperor Pussyus

...a dimwitted offspring from one of the three incestuous loves affair between Caligula and his sisters Drusilla, Livilla and Agrippina. The idiot infant child who at the time was a mere four years old was immediately made Roman Emperor in absentia following Caligula's assassination on January 21, 41AD by members of Caligula's own Praetorian Guard.

The assassins thought Pussyus would be the perfect stupid ruler for Rome. However, when they realized that Pussyus could neither speak nor ride a chariot, nor for that matter walk correctly or even feed himself, they quickly changed their decision to Claudius, Caligula's uncle and known for his being a cripple and a stutterer. That was pretty much a rouse by Claudius.

[man4allcats]

19. I voted Nero,

but it's a tough choice. Georgustus Dumbfuck and Caesar Disgustus are certainly valid contenders. In fact of course, they all are. It's like some of those tough multiple choice questions you used to get from those "I want to encourage you to think" type instructors who would only say, "There is no one right answer. I want you to choose the best answer." Gee thanks. :-)

[jberryhill]

20. I Have A Fweind In Wome Named....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biggus_Dickus

[Ganja Ninja]

30. Biggus Dickus Cheneyus n/t

[On the Road]

67. Now THAT is an LOL!

:rofl:

Except based on his flight suit appearance, it doesn't look like Bush has the physical qualifications.

[Skidmore]

22. Caligula--Little Boots Reduxe

Son of privilege, batshit crazy, infantile, degenerate, corrupt, thinks he's divinity in the flesh, likes to play dress-up, and will gigglingly kill and eat lunch at the same time.

[CatWoman]

43. Thanks, Skidmore

I was going to say the same.

It should also be noted that Caligula's father, Germanicus, was a celebrated leader and military officer, with many accomplishments and triumphs under his belt.

Tho Poppy Bush doesn't exactly fit this category, he wan't exactly a slouch. Poppy was a pretty good diplomat.

Like Caligula, Chimpolini had every thing handed to him; he never had to work for anything in his life. They both rose to their exalted status merely by birthright.

Unlike father, unlike son......

[Skidmore]

45. And both were known to have boot fetishes.

:)

I forgot that in my original post. I hope * doesn't think he can sing and play the lyre too.

[CatWoman]

48. ROFL!!!!!!!

:rofl:

well, he did strum a pretty good gee-tar when Katrina flooded New Orleans :D

[AzDar]

24. KIck!

[Alcibiades]

25. I've been making the claim that Bush is our Caligula

Since shortly after his selection in 2000. There are other parallels as well--both cheated their way into office, for example. Both enjoyed the support of the military. Both are absolutely nuts.

[lapislzi]

49. Me too...GMTA!

In conversation I usually refer to him as Little Boots (sometimes Little Nero). And for exactly the same reasons.

:hi:

[BeachBuckeye]

26. Which ever one was the most stupid n/t

[bemildred]

28. Romulus Augustus

http://www.roman-emperors.org/auggiero.htm

[TahitiNut]

52. A descendant ... Vacasian Augustus

:silly:

[bemildred]

60. LOL. nt

[Cleita]

29. This also reminds me of Chimp dressing

up in his little military inspired gear, like Commodus dressing up like a gladiator.

One of these days I want to see him dressed up in his flight suit with a parachute strapped to him. I then want to fly him over Iraq and drop him out over the most dangerous areas where the insurgents are.

If he lives, I'm sure the Iraqis will have many demands for the US to meet before they return him. Time for Mr. President to get a taste of what he has done.

[Crankie Avalon]

34. That would make his end similar to that of Valerian, the emperor who...

...fell into the hands of the Persians. He spent the rest of his life in captivity as the "human footstool" for the Persian leader Sapor, who would mount his horse by first stepping on Valerian's back. After Valerian's death, his body was stuffed and retained as a trophy.

[ellenfl]

31. he is really a combination of caligula and nero, imo.

he has the anti-social, imperious traits of caligula combined with the arrogance and incompetence of nero.

ellen fl

[Arugula Latte]

69. Yes, I want to vote for "Nerigula."

:)

[bunny planet]

32. Where's the all of the above option?

[Crankie Avalon]

35. It wouldn't have been a very competitive poll if that had been a choice...

...I mean, just about everyone would have picked that one, no? :)

[Jack Rabbit]

33. Actually, there were scores of lesser known emperors

They served at a time the empire in the west was collapsing.

Most of them were murdered by the Praetorian Guard. Fortunately for Bush, we have impeachment, a much more civilized way of disposing of an incompetent tyrant.

[Crankie Avalon]

39. Maxentius might have been an apt choice of later and lesser-known emperors

...(idler and wastrel whose only claim to power was connection to a father with whom he had a lot of static) but you'd really have to be an incurable Roman history geek to know about those. I wanted a poll everyone could get in on rather than something esoteric. But the "other" option is there for the specialists. O8)

[Jack Rabbit]

44. I might suggest Honorius

He was the Emperor in the West in 410 when Alaric the Visigoth sacked Rome.

[Straight Shooter]

36. Little Boots.

He's Caligula all over again. Even the nickname fits, because it mocks bush's penchant for wearing boots when he really can't fill those boots, like Caligula tried to put his little boy feet into men's boots.

I hope they have a similar ending, too, which of course will not be literally the same, but poetic justice delivered within the one place he feels safe.

[madeline_con]

37. He's every sawed-off inch an "all of the above" kinda guy. n/t

[eppur_se_muova]

41. Hmmm...which one had permanent coke-induced neurological damage?

Bu**sh** may have outdone them all on that.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

47. Chimperius Maximus

[oasis]

51. "Commode US". Because he's flushed the U.S. down the toilet.

:hurts::puke:

[Blaze Diem]

55. Yes, CommodeiUS...

perfect

[grytpype]

54. How about Caracalla?

A military dictator who ruled with an iron fist and died while invading Mesopotamia?

[Crankie Avalon]

72. He was also fascinated by and identified himself with Alexander the Great

...the way Bush affects to be fascinated by and likes to identify himself with Lincoln and Churchill. Caracalla also absented himself from Rome frequently, but whereas Bush repeatedly leaves Washington to vacation and/or fundraise, Caracalla's absences were due to military campaigning.

In fact, his being too close to the "real deal" military man was what kept me from initially including Caracalla in any comparison to Chimpy. Caracalla also raised the pay of the veterans, whereas Chimpy cuts their benefits. Caracalla was also supposed to be at least somewhat curious about other cultures and practices in the places he visited, whereas Chimpy has no such intellectual leanings.

[happydreams]

56. Read: "American Caligula" by Webster Tarpley

its about Bush 41


The thesis of this book is simple: if George Bush were to be re- elected in November 1992 for a second term as the president of the United States, this country and the rest of the world would face a catastrophe of gigantic proportions.

The necessity of writing this book became overwhelming in the minds of the authors in the wake of the ghastly slaughter of the Iraq war of January-February 1991. That war was an act of savage and premeditated genocide on the part of Bush, undertaken in connivance with a clique in London which has, in its historical continuity, represented both the worst enemy of the long-term interests of the American people, and the most implacable adversary of the progress of the human species.

The authors observed George Bush very carefully as the Gulf crisis and the war unfolded, and had no doubt that his enraged public outbursts constituted real psychotic episodes, indicative of a deranged mental state that was full of ominous portent for humanity. The authors were also horrified by the degree to which their fellow citizens willfully ignored the shocking reality of these public fits. A majority of the American people proved more than willing to lend its support to a despicable enterprise of killing.

By their role-call votes of January 12, 1991, the Senate and the House of Representatives gave their authorization for Bush's planned and imminent war measures to restore the Emir of Kuwait, who owns and holds chattel slaves. That vote was a crime against God's justice.






http://www.tarpley.net/bushint.htm

[Lisa]

58. he also has some things in common with Tiberius

I love Crankie's choices, but I would also like to put in a "good word" (?) for Augustus's successor, Tiberius Claudius Nero.


1) Several times, Tiberius was snubbed as a possible imperial candidate, and did not get the highest office until late in life -- he because quite bitter and resentful towards others, as a result, and was scornful towards those whom he felt had slighted him.

2) He tried to act like his (adopted) father Augustus, but was politically tone-deaf and just was not good at building relationships with other prominent figures (or with the Roman people). He came across as cold, distant, and insincere.

3) He spent more and more time away from Rome, scorning the political insiders there, and hiding at his distant holiday place. In his absence, one of his power-hungry underlings (Sejanus) made policy decisions, ran roughshod over civil liberties, and brought the Praetorian Guard into the city as his enforcers.

4) He had an unexplained skin ailment which caused him to come out in blemishes and boils. (Remember Bush's boil during the 2000 recount?)

5) Tiberius told people he disliked flattery, but he was quick to ostracize anyone who didn't suck up to him. (I couldn't help thinking of Bush glorying in his multiple birthday cakes and pig roasts, and getting all snippy when he isn't addressed as "Mr. President".)

[Crankie Avalon]

73. I guess I first thought Tiberius had too many positive traits mixed in...

...with his negative ones for it to be fair to him to be put in any comparison with Chimpy.

Tiberius was supposed to be a skinflint who left a full treasury behind him whereas Bush is exponentially increasing America's debt. Tiberius did the thankless grunt work for Augustus for decades and was by no means incompetent at it whereas Bush was extremely inexperienced at public office (some years in the largely ceremonial position of Texas governor) and failed at every business he ever tried. Tiberius was also an OUTSTANDING general whereas Bush was a draft dodger (or "evader," if you prefer).

I always thought of Tiberius as a being somewhat similar to Nixon--a man of ability whose resentments, paranoia, and other character flaws kept him from becoming what he could have been.

But you make a lot of good points about Tiberius's similarities to Bush II.

[Lisa]

91. quite so! Apologies to Tiberius ...

He did have way more government experience than * -- and he had an excellent military record. Also, the Roman political scene was so sordid and dangerous (even compared to D.C. today) that I really can't fault him for spending a lot of time out of town.

I like your assessment of Tiberius's character ... the way that people kept going on at him about how he ought to be more like Augustus (and then complaining that he was a poor imitation when he tried to oblige) would have driven me up the wall, for sure! By comparison, Junior's resentment about falling short when compared to his dad (and brother Jeb) seems to have much less of a basis!

And I'm glad you didn't select Claudius either -- the only thing he had in common with * was occasional word-mangling and klutziness. He didn't have to call in Karen Hughes to write a book for him!

[Aristus]

59. All of the above.

B*sh has traits in common with them all. Every great leader is great in his own way, but tyrants are all alike.

[Raine]

61. Nero

is the one I choose but really he is a combination of the worst of all of them.

[Odin2005]

62. Calligula

[Marie26]

63. Nero!

No contest. He captures that callous narcissism that Bush so often exhibits.

[bklyncowgirl]

64. Caligula and Chimp have soooo much in common.

Loved to dress up like a soldier although he never actually served in the legions (Caligulae were Roman army boots), loved to tease other people mercilessly--this incidentally led to his early demise when he insisted on giving the rough tough commander of the Praetorian Guard gay sounding passwords. I believe it was "Kiss me Centurion" that put him over the edge.

He had Delusions of Godhood and of course he devastated the Roman treasury. His wackiest moment was when he appointed a famous race horse named Incitatus as Consul of Rome. Bush hasn't appointed any horses to high office (rumor has it he's afraid of them) but he has appointed any number of horses asses to positions of power.

I'd say Nero except Nero was obsessed with being the world's greatest singer. Whatever Chimp's other faults, he's never insisted on performing opera in public--thank God for small favors.

[Skidmore]

76. * hasn't appointed any horses to office yet but he's promoted

a lot of asses.

[CatWoman]

87. dammit

you bet me to it!!!!

I was gonna say he put lots of horse's asses in the Senate.

Or, rather, helped them get there. :D

[Skidmore]

89. Cat, we're really in sync on this thread....

about the demented little caeser.

[Lisa]

92. maybe not opera, but he's performed his awful "comedy" shtick ...

... for example, that excruciating routine (with his "Tonight Show" lookalike) this year at the White House Correspondents Dinner on C-Span.

Martin Sheen once compared * to "a bad comic working the room", who seems blissfully oblivious to the fact his jokes are falling flat.

He may not have appointed any horses -- but he did pick "Brownie" (he of the Arabian horse shows) to head FEMA.

[bklyncowgirl]

93. True, I forgot about that comedy routine about him searching for WMD

Nero was a lousy dramatist--although he did win alot of prizes from judges who preferred to keep their heads on their shoulders--Shrub is a lousy comedian but his audiences make sure to laugh in his presence.

By the way, there was an important Roman general who not only fell asleep but snored during one of Nero's performances. The general fled in terror for his life. When the authorities finally caught up with him he fully expected to be executed. Instead, Nero had sentanced him to a worse fate--putting down the Jewish revolt. The Jews had humiliated previous commanders and although the general was a hero of the conquest of Britain this was definately not a prestige appointment.

The general, who's name was Vespasian, went to Palestine, got the situation under control, and when word came of Nero's demise and the fighting of other generals for the empire, got together with the governors of Egypt & Syria to put an end to the fighting. As the only straight Roman among them (the governor of Egypt was Jewish and the Governor of Syria was openly gay) Vespasian became their candidate for emperor. He eventually prevailed in the struggle for power and is generally regarded as responsible for restoring the Roman economy and the rule of law after Neros's disasterous reign. He also had a pretty good sense of humor.

So, you see, folks--there is still hope. Now we just have to find us a Vespasian.

[On the Road]

68. Caligula and Nero Were Public Libertines

and, unlike our cowardly leader, Commodus actually had the balls to fight as a gladiator in the Coliseum. (Commodus, BTW, was the emperor depicted in the movie Gladiator. I remember being royally pissed off at the scriptwriters for such an unrealistic plot device before finding out it was completely accurate.)

Theodosuis (347-395 AD) is sometimes credited with burning the library of Alexandria. That would be fitting. Although he made Christianity the official religion, he also ordered a vengeful massacre in Thessalonica that led to his temporary excommunication. But a better candidate is his son Valentinian (419-455AD):

"Valentinian's reign is marked by the dismemberment of the Western Empire; the conquest of the province of Africa by the Vandals in 439; the final abandonment of Britain in 446; the loss of great portions of Spain and Gaul, in which the barbarians had established themselves; and the ravaging of Sicily and of the western coasts of the Mediterranean Sea by the fleets of Genseric....

Valentinian not merely lacked the ability to govern the empire in a time of crisis, but aggravated its dangers by his self-indulgence and vindictiveness."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria

Great poll BTW. :thumbsup:

[dailykoff]

70. LOL, tough call!

I'm going with pyro-lovin' Nero

[tom_paine]

71. Nero -- he hasn't EARNED the title of Caligula (yet)

May God help us and the world if he or any of his progeny ever do, as I suspect will evenetually occur.

[smacky44]

74. I think he is most like the Emporer Incredulous.

[mcscajun]

75. Commodus...

His brutal misrule precipitated civil strife that ended 84 years of stability and prosperity within the empire.
http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9024967

Commodus began to dress like the god Hercules, wearing lion skins and carrying a club.
http://ancienthistory.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=ancienthistory&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.roman-emperors.org%2Fcommod.htm

Commodus was not, as he has been represented, a tiger born with an insatiate thirst of human blood, and capable, from his infancy, of the most inhuman actions. Nature had formed him of a weak, rather than a wicked, disposition. His simplicity and timidity rendered him the slave of his attendants, who gradually corrupted his mind. His cruelty, which at first obeyed the dictates of others, degenerated into habit, and at length became the ruling passion of his soul.

The servile and profligate youths whom Marcus had banished, soon regained their station and influence about the new emperor. They exaggerated the hardships and dangers of a campaign in the wild countries beyond the Danube; and they assured the indolent prince, that the terror of his name and the arms of his lieutenants would be sufficient to complete the conquest of the dismayed barbarians; or to impose such conditions as were more advantageous than any conquest.

Commodus, from his earliest infancy, discovered an aversion to whatever was rational or liberal, and a fond attachment to the amusements of the populace.

http://www.ccel.org/g/gibbon/decline/volume1/chap4.htm

[peekaloo]

77. Commodus. He's a turd we can't seem to flush.

excellent post Crankie!

[graywarrior]

78. What a great thread!!!!

Caligula is my vote.

[PATRICK]

79. Adding the true

apparatus of divine absolute power to Bush the resemblance to Nero, currently the greatest, would quickly pass to a Caligula or Commodus model. Caligula went mad, physically and unrestrained substance abuse and even more unrestrained power would make Bush a tiny imitation of Little Boots. Nero actually did try the arts. Bush is light years from even an appreciation of the word. Commodus actually did participate in the arena, though as badly as Nero was a performer. Bush is more pathetic than those energetic posings.

I am afraid the legendary bad boy Emperors had something more of the stuff than Bush ever could. It is the peculiar triumph of upper class venality and American banality added too numberless sociopathic tendencies that makes him something far different than the deified mob bosses of undemocratic Rome. Their real model after all was the British Empire, but that is too close not to be even MORE embarrassing than the hoary past. In the British Empire the king was even more a figurehead no matter what a defective loon he could be. Bush staggers between absolute power and lazy puppethood like a careless prince trying not to spill his chalice.

As for being a president, he isn't even one legitimately and cannot redefine its nature or live up to its potential by clownishly betraying its every aspect and Constitutional responsibility. The mad Emperors died Emperors. Bush will live and die a simple fraud who crashed serious world history like it was a keg party. The grey eminence(Cheney) is perhaps the most abysmal failure except for the catastrophic success in gaining the long prepared power in the first place. Live in shadows, die in darkness. The sum of his legacy outside of his crimes.

[Hubert Flottz]

80. Cletus Awreetus-Awrightus

And Dick Cheney's Uncle Meat...

Edit...FOX is the Grand Wazoo

[Canuckistanian]

94. Ah, yes the Grand Wazoo

"Fuck you if you don't like my hat"

[npincus]

81. Nero, it is.

[pointblank]

82. Im not a big student of roman emperors

but I chose Nero, because that fucking pic of schrub strumming his geetar while NO burned will always stick with me...I laugh at the irony then I cry at the horror

[kestrel91316]

83. Who was the really icky one played by Joaquin Phoenix in Gladiator?

THAT'S who he reminds me of.

[Cha]

84. The "emperor" with

no fucking clothes on!

Good set up, my man!

[HamdenRice]

85. Nero: Fiddle: Rome: Fire --- Bush: Bicycle: New Orleans: Flood nt

[GrpCaptMandrake]

86. No Fair Leaving Out The Byzantine Emperors of Rome

Because there are some dandies there, too!

Constantius II, for instance, rammed Christianity down the Peoples' throat after Julian had tried to ease the miseries of an imposed CHristianity.

Then there's "Michael the Stammerer." 'Nuff said.

Great poll!

[Initech]

88. I voted for Elagabus

He's definately an enthusiast of a bizarre religious cult, all right!

[truebrit71]

90. I think he's a combination of all four....

..and just as bloody useless....