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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 04:58 PM
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Israel's strategy toward militants mirrors Bush's in Iraq and Afghanistan
Edited on Mon Jul-24-06 05:05 PM by bigtree
July 24, 2006

The stated strategy of Israel is to provide a deterrence or a disincentive for combatants to attack their homeland. That is to be effected with the demonstration of military force; shock and awe. The killings of hundreds of Lebanese and the destruction of their infrastructure is apparently supposed to provide the incentive for the Lebanese to abandon Hizbollah as their provider or protector.

The problem with that approach is that the Hizbollah are not available to the masses of Lebanese civilians to offer up to the Israelis. Those who have been killed or maimed as they were caught in front of the Israeli's military reprisals apparently did not have the power to influence Hizbollah as the Israeli's assumed their deaths would.

The other stated goal of Israel's military campaign is to halt the attacks. So far, the scores of innocent civilians killed in Lebanon by Israeli airstrikes have not effected any lessening of the attacks from the Hizbollah combatants.

That's the case as well in Iraq and Afghanistan. The wanton attacks which envelop masses of innocent civilians in their wake have not made these countries more secure. Rather, these collective reprisals - undertaken as a 'defense' against acts which are clearly indefensible, morally and otherwise - have alienated the very groups and individuals who may have been amenable to joining in a unified effort to disband, disarm, and neutralize these militarized splinter organizations.

That's the legacy of the Bush doctrine, which is really no plan at all; save the determination to overrun everything and everyone who stands in the way of their manufactured mandates to expand and conquer across sovereign borders.

I think the notion that killing civilians who have absolutely no influence with the political or militant organization of Hizbollah or any other group which supposedly threatens, and destroying their lives and livelihoods as a 'motivation' is reprehensible. That is Israel's stated intention behind the airstrikes. They want to influence the Lebanese away from any support they may have with Hizbollah, politically or otherwise.

The result of the Israeli actions have led many in Lebanon to question their move for independence from Syria and actually drawn them closer to the militant splinter group. The anecdotal evidence (I've posted it here) has the majority in Lebanon blaming Israel for the destruction rather than Hizbollah. I rather doubt the assertion that the strikes will make them want to disarm them at this point where it seems no one seems willing to protect them from the misguided reprisals.

It's a political and diplomatic effort that will dislodge Hizbollah from its influence in southern Lebanon and in the region. I believe the actions of the Israelis are antithetical to that end.

That's the issue now: Have Israel's actions, intended as declared to neutralize and isolate Hizbollah and halt the attacks achieved that result? I would argue that they have, so far, had the opposite effect. As Kofi Annan said today, " "You cannot disarm Hezbollah by force."

I don't think they can disengage and neuter Hizbollah without finding a way to bolster and support the Lebanese government. Otherwise, it leaves Israel advancing to Syria, something none of the Arab states will tolerate. The more Israel advances on Lebanese territory, the less able they will be to convince the Lebanese that they don't need the political and militant organization as a buffer against the destructive Israeli army and air force.

Tony Snow said today that Hizbollah was the aggressor in this conflict. I agree.

But, Israel, in destroying so many Lebanese lives who apparently have nothing to do with the rockets lobbed by Hizbollah, is also an 'aggressor.' If not, then they (and their supporters) need to show how their 'collective' killings have lessened the threat to Israel, or accomplished ANY of the goals they claim to be prosecuting in their reprisals. There has to be an accounting as to what the specific missions of their sorties were in which hundreds of Lebanese civilians were killed, and there needs to be an accounting of what the intended result was, measured against the actual result. That shouldn't wait until the mass graves are grown over.

Also, there needs to be an accounting of how Israel treats those who are seeking refuge from their assaults. There is no convention in war that would allow them to indiscriminately bomb areas where civilians are known to reside as they have, repeatedly.

Further, there needs to be some acknowledgement that most of the refugees and the existing supplies are being directed to Syria. If the US and Israel want to continue their animosity with the Syrians then they have to take responsibility for the refugees who are caught in the middle of their political manuevers. Little chance of any inituative like that succeeding if it's managed by the Bush regime who has yet to return the electricity (or security) to the residents of Iraq.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 05:42 PM
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1. kick
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 06:32 PM
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2. where are the defenders of Israel's strategy?
Is there no substanative argument to be made in favor of their actions?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 07:01 PM
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3. I'm going to publish this tomorrow, but I'll remember all of the critics
who piled on all week, and the way they ducked me here. I challenge them to explain the strategy of the country they have defended so zealously. Apparently they have no substanative defense of Israel's strategy they are willing to share with me here.

That's a shame as we are providing money and missile for Israel to prosecute their campaign. There has to be SOME accountability, some accounting.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 07:54 PM
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4. I want to include this from French Defense Minister Michele Alliot-Marie

"It is obvious that there were a certain number of hits where one did not exactly see the point," she told reporters on board the French frigate Jean Bart, which has been shuttling between Beirut and Larnaca, Cyprus carrying evacuees to safety.

"One cannot ask the Lebanese national army to disarm the militias and at the same time bomb the main Lebanese barracks." Alliot-Marie also raised doubts about the strategic sense of bombing factories that produce powdered milk for infants.

"And unfortunately, more and more, we are seeing a number of bombardments that are hitting civilians, even convoys of people who were simply seeking to reach Beirut to find shelter have been hit by bombs." Alliot-Marie arrived in Larnaca from the United Arab Emirates Sunday and visited French military personnel helping with the evacuation from war-ravaged Lebanon.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1717749&mesg_id=1717749
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Ignoramus Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 09:51 PM
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5. I agree and I hope someone who disagrees will respond
My thoughts about this situation have been the same as my thoughts about other vastly disproportionate conflicts.

How brave those few protesters are in Israel that protest Israel's campaign, even while missiles are falling on them from Hezbollah. I can imagine being to frightened our angry etc. to allow myself to think about the morality of the situation, and just want to be free from the terror.

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 10:39 PM
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6. I'm really disappointed at the silence, but, that's ok
I still have my voice . . .
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 12:07 AM
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7. kickin it
already recommended, of course.
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 12:12 AM
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8. Very nicely done, bigtree.
I'm too tired tonight to respond any better than this, but your efforts are appreciated. I'll bookmark this to reread tomorrow.

Oh, and K&R.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 12:25 AM
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9. Seems like the strategies are similar--are they connected?
?
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 07:42 AM
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12. Probably a round robin
Sharon and the other others have been showing the US how it is done there for a long time before the Gulf Wars. The results seem hardly to matter.

More to the point it is the action in Iraq and the baiting of iran which is projecting strategy against Israel(it can't very well attack the US) which has made this overwhelming force to crush one enemy and take an entire nation geographically out of the picture while "teaching" an extreme lesson a corollary to the US ME fiasco. The logic of remaining allied to Bush(and indeed the only friend left in the world who will support strong defense measures) demands this type of madness. A first step toward sanity would be the apparently risky and crazy conversion(not to Christianity)away from the aggressive demolition of the Arab powers and toward peace. Israel is more in real thrall to the people who have caused all the bloody dilemmas than we are to Bushco. That thrall does not involve tyranny so much as the Goering trap. War and fear has united the populace in a real battle for survival under fire. But of course, the wrong people with the wrong values and the wrong plans are in charge- as is evident in this conflict as in Sharon's bloody first invasion of Lebanon. It is the one country they can pound away with impunity trying vainly to purge it of a pluralism that includes Muslims and Muslim extremists.

The reason this is so fierce is that this is a strong first move in the evolving Iranian war and whatever over-ambitious designs they have against Syria. On the other hand, if Bushco backed down from the iranian adventure they also would be in weak posture against a strong Shiite and terrorist upsurge already boldly striking out from Hizbollah and others. Either way and in all ways, in spite of this being a typical sad story for the region, the Cheney/Sharon plan is very responsible for the present violence and its form.

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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 12:35 AM
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10. One of the most disturbing things has been
the leaflets that the Israelis drop on civilians, telling them to leave. When they leave, they are bombed on the road, even an ambulance with a Red Cross clearly visible on the roof. That seems not only deliberately cruel, but sadistic. Some have fled as instructed to in the leaflets, only to find the roads and bridges destroyed. That does not contribute to Israel protecting itself. It only creates a new generation of people who hate Israel, and we have seen the result of generation after generation of retaliatory actions on both sides.

I have no doubt that Jewish children who lose loved ones in suicide bombings grow up to hate Hezbollah, or Hamas, or whichever group committed the act. At some point, it has to end, regardless of who has the upper hand at that particular moment in time, because that is subject to change.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 12:36 AM
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11. yes it does
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 07:59 AM
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13. final version posted here
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