Why are we wasting our time discussing middle east policy

[burythehatchet]

Everything that is happening today has been planned and executed by the PNAC. If you listened to Randi Rhodes today she summarized things quite nicely. This has nothing to do with kidnapped soldiers or hezbollah or Hamas. This is about lighting the powder keg of the middle east. This is Cheney, Netanyahu and the cabal that has hijacked the US government.

As we make enemies of each other and debate who did what, the PNACers are laughing because their plan is near the end stage. A conflagration in the middle east, stealing the natural resources and driving the Palestinians across the Jordan river are the objectives. Do not be fooled.

[Monkeyman]

1. They have no Middle East policy only war

[AlamoDemoc]

2. our tax dollars are involved. Of course, we have a say on it

[Redstone]

8. Excuse me? How much of a say did we have when bush started the war

in Iraq? Millions of protestors, and to him they were only "focus groups."

I'd call that NOT having a say. Why should it be any different now?

Redstone

[AlamoDemoc]

16. Personally, I think the Iraq war will eventually end.....but

what worries me most is sending money and arms to pariah state in the Middle East who has numerous UN resolutions against it and continues to violate human rights in Palestine, and in this instance in Lebanon.

[Redstone]

17. That's where we'll have to part ways in this discussion, though I hope

we'll find common ground on other subjects.

That's all I'm going to say, in the interest of remaining friendly with other DUers. Friendship is more important to me than politics or expressing my opinion.

Redstone

[AlamoDemoc]

21. I thought honest and speaking the truth is the best policy....

.....in any given relationship. Thanks any way.

[Redstone]

26. Yes, but arguing a point about which ultimately neither of us has

the slightest control is counterproductive.

Redstone

[AlamoDemoc]

27. No. You and I are not being counterproductive....

...Of course, the reality would speak for itself.

[panader0]

3. Even though I think you are right, it's hard to believe those idiots had

enough foresight to plan even a trip to the toilet.

[madeline_con]

34. If you read the names of those who signed the PNAC...

It's a who's who of the crooked s.o.b.s who are in charge of some major s#it right now. :(

EDIT: Check out Zalmay Khalilzad as one example. Look at his career history on Wikipedia...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zalmay_Khalilzad

[StellaBlue]

4. I agree 100%

There's no point us getting into big arguments about Israel vs. Palestine, when it's all really just about those greedy, evil fuckers and their fucking fuck FUCK FUKCAS:O:O :LKJEROkflksj foija terioj"LAWK JR"LSEJDKLFM 'skgtjl 'aspojgtn'LwMKRf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:mad:

[panader0]

6. Great expletive!

[burythehatchet]

10. Couldn't have said it better myself.

evil fuckers and their fucking fuck FUCK FUKCAS:O:O :LKJEROkflksj foija terioj"LAWK JR"LSEJDKLFM 'skgtjl 'aspojgtn'LwMKRf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am so fucking mad right now my head is about to explode.

[StellaBlue]

14. I know, I know

I am going to go sit by the pool and read some medieval zen poetry and then swim.

Gotta do SOMETHING.

I find Taoism/Zen helps. :shrug:

But I don't have much time lately.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

15. So tell the bastards

Just pick up the phone and tell them over and over again!

[tnlefty]

20. Prior to the vote for IWR, I had more phone calls to (202) than I can

remember, along with letters, etc. It didn't matter. I still call my rep. and senators but (in my case anyway) I don't think it matters very much. I have noticed that when I call the offices of other reps. and sens. they are understanding considering who my supposed "representation" is.

[jimshoes]

5. I was thinking that earlier

I'm glad you posted this because it is textbook divide and conquer tactics. All the while Iraq is sinking into civil war and there is hardly a word mentioned on the "news" at all. The Isreali strike against Lebanese Hezbollah is real news and with definite ramifications, but it's only one facet of a multifaceted worldwide chain of events.

[leveymg]

9. When the American people come out of this trance, Iraq will still be there

in three warring pieces.

They can't help but notice that.

[Marie26]

7. Not sure

about that. Was Israel enacting PNAC policy the last times they invaded Lebanon in 1982, & 1978? This seems like an age-old fight in that region.

[cali]

12. heh.

common sense and a little knowledge of history, does tend to take away from the high drama of evil cabals.

[Marie26]

13. Ruins the fun. nt

[burythehatchet]

18. I have a sufficient level of common sense

and have lived through more history than you can imagine. And as far as evil cabals, you can snicker at them while you read the fucking memos that paint the picture for you. Ignorance is bliss.

[cali]

23. Living through history

is one thing. Studying history is another.

[burythehatchet]

28. what-the-fuck-ever

[nashville_brook]

30. and your point?

[cali]

31. I thought that was obvious

Studying history and historiogaphy is a great tool when looking current events.

[tnlefty]

22. When people put things in writing and deliver it to a sitting president,

Clinton at the time, who refused to enact the plan is it just to be ignored and dismissed? Despite skeptism, I tend to go by what people actually put into policy statements that then are signed, along with a letter to a sitting president.

[Marie26]

25. Regime change in Iraq.

And they got it. You'll have to point out to me where that letter mentions Lebanon.

[cali]

29. No, it shouldn't be ignored and dismissed

it should be considered as one element in a complex picture.

[burythehatchet]

19. How much of the PNAC documents have you read?

[Marie26]

24. All of them.

OK, skimmed, at least. I know what the plan is, I'm just not sure that this is a part of it. PNAC isn't God, they don't control everything that happens in the world - though I'm sure they'll try to exploit it.

[burythehatchet]

32. They don't control everything?

Morton Abramowitz
Elliot Abrams
Gordon Adams
Ken Adelman
Richard V. Allen
Mark A. Anderson
Richard L. Armitage
Ron Asmus
Ronald Asmus
Andrew Y. Au
Gary Bauer
Jeffrey Bell
William J. Bennett
Jeffrey Bergner
Robert L. Bernstein
John R. Bolton
Max Boot
Ellen Bork
Rudy Boshwitz
William F. Buckley Jr.
Jeb Bush
Frank Carlucci
Linda Chavez
Dick Cheney
Steven C. Clemons
Eliot A. Cohen
Seth Cropsey
Ivo H. Daalder
Helle Dale
Midge Decter
James Dobbins
Paula Dobriansky
Thomas Donnelly
Nicholas Eberstadt
Robert Edgar
Amitai Etzioni
Lee Feinstein
Edwin J. Feulner Jr.
Steve Forbes
Hillel Fradkin
Aaron Friedberg
Francis Fukuyama
Frank Gaffney
Peter Galbraith
Jeffrey Gedmin
Sam Gejdenson
Robert S. Gelbard
Reuel Marc Gerecht
Merle Goldman
Philip Gordon
Daniel Goure
Charles Hill
Fred C. Ikle
Martin S. Indyk
Bruce P. Jackson
Eli S. Jacobs
Michael Joyce
Donald Kagan
Robert Kagan
Max M. Kampelman
Adrian Karatnycky
Penn Kemble
Craig Kennedy
Zalmay Khalilzad
Jeane Kirkpatrick
Harold Hongju Koh
Charles Krauthammer
William Kristol
John Lehman
Lewis E. Lehrman
I. Lewis Libby
Tod Lindberg
James Lindsay
Bette Bao Lord
Rich Lowry
Connie Mack
Christopher Makins
Mary Beth Markey
Will Marshall
Clifford May
Daniel McKivergan
Edwin Meese III
Joshua Muravchik
Michael O'Hanlon
Martin Peretz
Richard Perle
Daniel Pipes
Danielle Pletka
Norman Podhoretz
John Edward Porter
Dan Quayle
Peter W. Rodman
Stephen P. Rosen
Dennis Ross
Henry S. Rowen
Donald Rumsfeld
Randy Scheunemann
Gary Schmitt
William Schneider Jr.
Sin-Ming Shaw
Richard H. Shultz
Paul Simon
Walter Slocombe
Henry Sokolski
Stephen J. Solarz
Helmut Sonnenfeldt
James B. Steinberg
Leonard Sussman
John J. Sweeney
Dick Thornburgh
John Tkacik
Arthur Waldron
Malcolm Wallop
James Webb
Vin Weber
George Weigel
Caspar Weinberger
Paul Weyrich
Leon Wieseltier
Chris Williams
Jennifer Windsor
Marshall Wittmann
Paul Wolfowitz
R. James Woolsey
Larry Wortzel
Robert B. Zoellick

[Karenina]

36. "Blind trust" contributers?

Ahmanson?
Scaife?
Bradley?

Anyone reading that list with an iota of comprehension who doesn't grok what THEIR support of the PNAC docs means... :shrug:

I'll summarize: WE THE PEOPLE EVERYWHERE ARE IN SERIOUS DEEP SHIT.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

11. I agree don't waste your time.

Just pick up the in the morning and tell the Demo Reps that the only Reps you will support will be anti war, tie up the phones, jam the lines, phone the President over and over, pass this on, these are old tactics that still work when you tell everyone you know to do this. It ties up the office staff and the Reps hear about it.

[pa28]

33. Rice: we're witnessing "The birth pangs of a new middle east".

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/21/AR2006072100889.html

Sometimes these really telling statements escape notice. Rice gets the PNAC seal of approval.

[burythehatchet]

37. Damn, although I heard that statement

it completely went over my head. They do reveal themselves in little pearls like that, don't they.

[truedelphi]

35. Before the CIA buried its more subtle mission statement pages

There was an admission that one of the goals they had
was to find a way to get the National Guard to turn on
the citizenry.

I think Israel is expressing the logic that will be
used here very soon. Know some people that wear tie-dyed
tee shirts and go to Farmer's Markets? They are linked
with the Blobbity Blob organization, whose more serious members
were just discovered to have a conspiracy plot to take
out the top portion of this duly elected Government,
including our Beloved President, Mr. Bush. And if the
Blobbity Blobs can't be found, why there's no real reason
not to take out the whole neighborhood.

And remember there have been times when Bush has stated
that it might be enough to go after someone if there
is a possibility that they are *thinking* about doing
something (Used quite frequently in connection with
"Such and such a country is "thinking" about having
a nuclear program.)

[RandiFan1290]

38. Thank you BTH

K&R!

[burythehatchet]

39. If you're in contact with Randi

please tell her she did a great show yesterday. I'm probably not as huge a fan as you are but I know a good, well researched segment when I hear it.