I noticed something lacking in the DU conversation.

[dave123williams]

I had a realization; of all the topics under which one could post here, 'marketing' wasn't one of them.

I move that the DU starts a discussion about the marketing of political ideas. A discussion about the application of marketing technique to political speech. Our competition is a step ahead of us in this area, people.

However, I'll bet you a dollar that there are some savvy marketers who lurk here...people who need to be talking now, four months before the elections.

The good news? Progressives are generally smarter, better informed, and more industrious than our rivals. They're just more vicious, better financed and more zealous. It'll be *fun* to kick their asses. Glorious, perhaps.

We're so close to being *there*, folks. We're a few initiatives from having an echo chamber that *stomps* the one on the right...because it'll be world-wide (remember the pre-IraqII marches?), because you can't staunch a billion voices, because it's past time for these bastards to go back to the plains, to whatever oil-sopped, bible-page wallpapered hole it is in Texas from which they hail.

Anybody who wants to second my vote, please K&R this, and perhaps our moderators will take note and act. I know I'm ready to. As a matter of fact, I *am* acting. I built this today:

http://dave.hero.com/impeach/index.php

A week from now, it'll be impeachnow.com, or something.

It's time to take it to *them*, I think.

Best,

Dave

[Kire]

1. self delete

[jarnocan]

2. thanks

not sure where this is going but I'm following it closely:) I am pro-democracy, and think we need the relaity check an impeachemnt proceedure and investigations hopefully will bring.
The president and his administration (BU**SH**INC.) avoid testifying under oath, so their lies don't matter so much.

the president's practice does grave harm to the separation of powers doctrine, and the system of checks and balances that have sustained our democracy for more than two centuries."

ABA " Violating the Constitution" http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/07/24/lawyers.bush.ap/index.html

[smacky44]

3. Your point about avoiding testifying under oath is one marketing point

that should be mentioned more frequently.

[sinkingfeeling]

4. Marketing...the second biggest cause of idiocy, after religion.

[dave123williams]

5. Yeah, having an unruly pastiche of unintelligable messages is way better.

We all love having the reputation of arguing over everything, of never having a cohesive message, of getting frustrated when asked what it is exactly that we stand for. You're totally right...organization couldn't *possibly* help.

[BeFree]

6. The Election Was Stolen

There is no basis for confidence in any election since private corporations supply, manage, and maintain the computers used to count the vote.

The Boards of Elections around the country have given the key to elections to those non-public entities, reversing two hundred years of American tradition.

We now have programmed elections where it used to be human hands on the levers of the power of the people.

Now, a click of a mouse carries more weight in this country than the whole democratic party.

[truedelphi]

7. WHen Elections Are Stolen. The Media sets the stage

Weekend before the Nov 2004 election - John Kerry fills to cpacity a Madison Wisconsin stadium. Huge Crowd. (10,000? 20,000?)Only the Web carries the footage. Kerrylooks glowing and presidential.

meanwhile George is having trouble filling up his 900 person venue.

Which one does the media show. You've got it - It's George, looking rested and confident.

Meanwhile any time they can catch Kerry looking haggard, they will show that shot again and again. Setting the stage. Winner - loser. Confident - Haggard.

The media helps the stolen election process not only but NEVER mentioning the idea of bad machinery - but by its total slant and creation of media tidbits that although not really telling the truth create a truth to that part of the public that still believes in MSM>

[zippy890]

8. Nice web site - good for you! I'm in

:dem:

edited to add: who are you? on your web page you or your group should have a bio or something, otherwise it might look like your hiding something, you know, like some might suspect, oh, republicans trying to stir up trouble or something.

[dave123williams]

11. I built that *yesterday*.

I haven't populated it with contact, or 'about us' info yet. Just dummy articles in there now, and a treatment for how the website will look for the people I built it for (old friends from my acting days in NYC). This site, believe it or not, is largely going to be promoting a giant party in NYC on Sept 15th, with everybody gathering to enjoy some great bands, get good and tight, and talk about what we can do to bounce his fraudulent excellency

Don't worry, we'll have everything up in a few days, I think :)

[Sentath]

18. Good use of a Joomla

Nice theme

Good drop in graphics

Don't forget to change the titles of the various sections (f'r instance, the news section still proclaims itself as the latest from the Joomla team)

[dave123williams]

25. Yep....that was just day 1 of massaging Joomla to my ends....

I'll be populating it with some content today, I think.

[Cleita]

9. I think the word you want is propaganda and I'm not against

it to get the word out from our side. It's time to start using some of the RW's methods against them.

For one thing we need slogans that resonate with the public and we have to repeat them over and over again. I think we ought to start using the word conservative with meaningless but unflattering adjectives like the RW does with the word liberal.

I mean how many adjectives do Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter use to describe liberals, like latte liberals, headband liberals etc.?

Heres a few of my choices.

theiving conservatives
closeted conservatives
moonie conservatives
rapture conservatives
pasty faced conservatives
chickenhawk conservatives
etc., etc., etc.,

The point is to always put an unflattering adjective in front of the the word conservative or Republican.

[shadowknows69]

12. I think we'd be better served eliminating the stigma attached

to "liberal" as opposed to using the same smear. Low brow, attack messages are easy and appeal to the lowest common denominator but I'm not sure we're going to get through to them anyway. We need to reinforce our base and give the "liberal" a loud, proud voice. Explain why it is better to be a liberal, not just why it is bad to be conservative. Make any sense? Just the "top of my head" stuff.

[dave123williams]

13. I like it. Though a Progressive, I'm trying to keep this non-partisan.

This isn't about partisan bickering. It's about what's good for the country.

[Cleita]

14. Actually, it's been our tactic all along and it has changed

things for the worst. The problem is they put us on the defensive by defining the conversation and forcing us to explain ourselves. I believe that offensive play is better and most chess players will agree with me. If we have to borrow a tactic from their playbook so be it. What we are trying to do now is combat with bows and arrows, while they are using guns.

Considering how they now own everything political that we once had, I think we are going to have to get down and dirty into the mud pit so to speak with them. There will be a big difference though. Our name calling will be the truth, while theirs is still lies.

[blm]

16. Set up internecine conflict - OldTime Republicans v EndTimes Republicans

and let them fight each other since GOPs are the only ones the corpmedia gives airtime.

[Cleita]

19. That would be cool except that they do it already in a really

deceptive way. The panels with conservatives and "liberals" are an example. The so called liberals are what I remember from the old time Republicans. My God even Pat Buchanan is sounding reasonable and to the left these days compared to the Bush Republicans that are defining the dialogue today.

[shadowknows69]

10. I've written and produced a tv or radio commercial or two in my time

I'm in. K+R.

[The Witch]

15. do some research on social marketing

it's how PSA campaigns make their mark ...

I don't know enough to tell you about it but i worked for a firm that dealt with it and basically it is what you are talking about. using advertising principles to effect changes in attitude/behavior.

(please note yes that is the correct use of "effect" as a verb. Ph34r mah copyediting might.)

[dalaigh lllama]

17. a marketing division in research forum

would be good. The cons are good at short soundbytes that stick in people's minds, and then they repeat them over and over. It'd be good to have someplace to keep some of the snappy remarks that I've seen here and elsewhere.

One of my favorites was Feingold's. It was an excellent comeback to the neocon's drumbeat that libs were stuck in a pre-9/11 mindset. He said the cons were stuck in a pre 1776 mindset (or words to that effect). Phrases like that need to be handed out by Dean to all the dems to be used over and over.

[dave123williams]

23. I've never heard that one, and it's GREAT. Agreed. Let's start marketing

[dalaigh lllama]

26. I'm game. What do you have in mind? n/t

[RagAss]

20. Laugh at them...paint them as the Assclowns that they are...

Corrupt and degenerate....but make them look silly...they hate that.....

HHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAA !!!

:rofl:

[Norquist Nemesis]

21. Dave, have you looked in the Frame the Debate group?

I had hoped that would be more active, but :shrug:

Yes, we do need "marketing" of everything from research to training to collateral. And it's probably there...somewhere...but, that's the problem. It's either not getting out in an organized manner or not being done very well, or both IMO.

[dave123williams]

24. I'll check it out. Fortunately, I'm organized and competent.

[Armstead]

22. It is often discussed here

The word marketing is not always used, but there are many conversations on how to put together and how to promote an agenda.