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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 02:40 PM
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JUST IN: a letter from Sen. Boxer re: her support for Lieberman. MUST READ
Dear John,

Thank you for writing to me about the hotly contested Connecticut primary for Senate.

I am traveling to many states throughout the summer and fall to help Democrats take back the Senate and House. I started yesterday morning at a campaign stop for Senator Menendez and then made appearances for Joe Lieberman in Connecticut before he left for a Bill Clinton rally.

So why did I go to Connecticut? When Joe asked me to tell his constituents about our work together on the environment and choice, I told him I would.

I realize this decision has deeply disappointed you. I completely understand your position and only hope that you will come to understand mine.

For 14 years, Joe Lieberman and I have shared an alliance on a range of progressive issues, especially two that are central to my public service -- the environment and choice.

We have worked side by side on the Senate's Environment and Public Works Committee. When Bill Clinton was President, the stakes weren't nearly as high. But within hours of President Bush taking office, the environment was under attack.

Believe me, it has not been easy to fight the Bush Administration and the Republicans on this committee who try to undermine the environment, and its supporters, at every turn.

I know that's not news to you. But what you might not know about is the critical role that Joe has played in this battle.

The fact is, on every single fight I have waged on that committee -- from arsenic in the water, to air pollution, to pesticide testing on infants and children, to global warming, to Superfund and much more -- Joe has been a stalwart partner and leader.

Joe was the first author of legislation to permanently protect the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. He was one of the first Senators to try to tackle the global warming challenge. The Republicans laughed at his efforts and refused to admit that we were right on this issue. But Joe was undeterred.

And it's the same with women's rights, especially choice. Each and every time a woman's right to choose has come to the Senate floor -- including late term emergency abortions -- I've had a reliable partner in Joe.

He is one of a small handful of Senators who has joined with me both times I have introduced the Freedom of Choice Act, the most strongly pro-choice piece of legislation in the U.S. Senate.

Because of his long record on choice and other important progressive issues, Joe has won the endorsement of organizations such as Planned Parenthood, NARAL, AFL-CIO, the League of Conservation Voters, and the Human Rights Campaign.

Of course, as you rightly point out, Joe and I don't agree on everything. And nothing has deeply disappointed me more than our complete disagreement on the Iraq War.

The fact is, I disagree with many of my usual allies on the war since my bill to redeploy troops out of Iraq by the end of THIS year is the toughest redeployment bill out there. As far as I'm concerned, I will stand alone to end this war.

Joe and I have virtually no common ground on Iraq except for one thing -- we have teamed up to provide comprehensive mental health care for our troops. Our amendment will ensure that our soldiers will not be sent into combat if they have mental health problems, including post traumatic stress, and that they will be able to get mental health help within 72 hours if they need it.

Again, this may sound easy, but the truth is, we had to work very hard to get our mental health amendment to pass the Senate, which it did.

I do not minimize the differences I have on the war with Joe -- or any of my colleagues -- but as I said, I also have a 14-year alliance on other progressive issues that are important to us, to California, and our country.

I understand that you disagree vehemently with my decision, as is your right. But, on August 8, the Democrats of Connecticut will make their voices heard on Joe's candidacy, and I will have deep respect for their decision.

Until then, I only hope that you will weigh our differences about this primary campaign against everything that ties us together, and please know that I will continue to work as hard as I can to earn your trust and support.

Best,



Barbara Boxer
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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 02:44 PM
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1. So what, is she worried that Lamont will not be as good a Democrat?
:shrug:
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 02:49 PM
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12. He won't have the clout or experience.
Not siding with Lieberman or Lamont (I'd take either of them in a heartbeat over what we have in Texas), but just knowing whether to say Aye or Nay on the right issues isn't the majority of the work a Senator does. Plus, she's pointing out that he's agreed with her on more issues than he's opposed her on.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 03:07 PM
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26. EVERY Senator didn't have "clout or experience" at one point in time
I would never vote for someone like Joe (who doesn't even give a crap about the vote of CT Dems) just because he has "more experience" than a newbie like Lamont.

It is funny to me that people use someone's lack of "experience" against them. Do you see any relation between experience and how good a politician is for America? Jeeze, you don't get more experience than Cheney or the Bushes or most people in this administration, and they are a nightmare.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 03:52 PM
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43. Um, yeah, I definitely see a relationship between experience and competenc
We are living through a nightmare now because too few people thought experience mattered. George had zero experience to qualify him for the job.

Vote Lamont, I don't care, I don't have a horse in this race. I'm sick of the Lieberman bashers who forget everything he has done, and I'm sick of Lieberman being on the wrong side on Iraq. I'm sick of people who think experience isn't important. I'm sick of people who bash everyone who ever says anything nice about someone who says something nice about Bush. I'm sick of this race. As far as I'm concerned, there are a lot of people behind Lamont and Lieberman I'd rather not see in the Democratic party. I'm about a finger's breath away from cheering for the Republican because I don't think either side has behaved well enough to be called a Democrat (although I'm blaming Lamont for the attitudes of some of his supporters, and I don't know enough about him to know if that's fair. Bunch of spoiled whiners crying about the shade of blue of their candidate. Live wth Cornyn and Hutchison for a while. I was pointing out Boxer's point, that's all.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 04:28 PM
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55. Yeah, Nixon (lots of experience) really trumped Lincoln (low experience)
Edited on Tue Jul-25-06 04:31 PM by skipos
as a president. Rumsfeld and Cheney would make much better presidents than Clark, look how much more experience they have!
:eyes:

On edit: and now that Bush has had 6 years of experience, he sure has gotten a lot better at being president!
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Bitter Cup Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 04:31 PM
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56. wonder what all that experience across the board
in congress costs the nation in terms of stagnation, apathy, and corruption. Term limits keep looking better and better.
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 03:13 PM
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32. I don't think so, I think she's explaining why she supports Lieberman.
It's the fact that on MOST issues he's been a good progressive. The war is one issue they happen to disagree on.

That said - I personally support Lamont, though I'm not in Connecticut.

I am not surprised that Democrats support Lieberman, though personally his "threat" to run as an independent would have stopped me from endorsing him were I in such a position.

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Iowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 03:37 PM
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40. My thought exactly...
Edited on Tue Jul-25-06 03:43 PM by Iowa
Furthermore, it strikes me as disingenuous to leave the impression that the war is his primary betrayal of import. This asshole has been a corporate lackey on a number of critical issues.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 02:44 PM
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2. I so wish we had Senators who could communicate like that
Honest, direct, doesn't shy away from the controversy, doesn't give in.

Last time I wrote a letter to my Texas senators I got back "Well you're just a ninny-baby!" In crayon.
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IthinkThereforeIAM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 02:46 PM
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8. John Thune, R-SD...

... sends responses like that. He also denies they authenticity of the Downing Street Minutes, of course he called it a "memo".
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adarling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 03:10 PM
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31. hahaha, same here was it from Hutchison?
wrote her one last summer, my last one because i was so grossed out and tired of it being ineffective about the supreme court nominations.
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Bretttido Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 04:46 PM
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61. Yes, it was a very thoughtful and non-evasive letter. Thumbs up for Boxer
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IthinkThereforeIAM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 02:44 PM
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3. Nice if it were a eulogy...

... Joe has to go. As does the DLC.
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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 02:44 PM
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4. Blah, Blah, Blah....
Everytime an anti-choice judge was nominated, where was Holy Joe? He certainly wasn't working tirelessly to block them. In fact, he scuttled any chance the Democrats might have had. But that's OK, women won't have problem driving to the next hospital.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 02:45 PM
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5. She actually touches the REAL problem in the 2nd to last sentence...
QUOTE: "But, on August 8, the Democrats of Connecticut
will make their voices heard on Joe's candidacy,
and I will have deep respect for their decision.
"

Whereas Joe has clearly stated that he WILL NOT respect their decision,
and will work to undermine it if it is not to his liking.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 02:47 PM
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10. OT: your cartoon is the BEST! ROFL! nt
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 03:05 AM
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75. I cannot take credit for that brilliantly insightful bit of truth.
A few months ago, I started a series of posts wherein I
took the funniest comments I came across at DU and PhotoShopped
them into Toons...

IIRC, that "have Jerry Seinfeld killed" quip belongs to our fellow DUer 'Tummler'.

There are many more in my DU diary, but I doubt that I will be
creating any new episodes in the series.

What with WWIII getting on a roll and all, I just don't
LOL as often as I used to.
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Master Mahon Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 02:46 PM
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6. Doesn't she think that Lamont
will support the environment and choice as well????

Will the environment and choice even be issues with the world at war????
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 02:46 PM
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7. Sob! Why can't I have a Senator like that? I
don't like or agree with Joe, but it's so refreshing to read this, and it was obviously written recently, not months after the fact. Logically explains Senator Boxer's reasons for supporting Lieberman, which I imagine is why you wrote to her.
Two thumbs up from me! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 02:55 PM
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20. I worked as an intern in her office in SF.
She and everyone in the offices work very hard on letters. If Boxer herself didn't write it, someone would pass it by her (or very close to her) for approval.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 02:46 PM
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9. Anyone know what Hilary's excuse is?
I've emailed her senate address, but it keeps bouncing back saying that she won't respond to non New Yorkers. Perhaps she should butt out of CT if she's so uninterested in us. As a sidenote, it's a little irritating of an attitude for her to take, considering how many of us work and pay taxes in NY.
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 02:52 PM
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16. not to mention how many of us will be voting for
president in 2008 . . . if the rw has their way and she is a candidate.

ellen fl
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 02:48 PM
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11. A very nice letter
Too bad it's so full of malarkey regarding Lieberman's record on abortion, and Boxer seems to hide behind NARAL's ill-considered endorsement (side note to interest groups: This is why your endorsements matter, please consider them carefully) as support for her contention that Lieberman is rock solid pro-choice.

She's also misinformed about Lieberman's infamous statement that his support for hospitals denying treatment to women because another hospital is just a short ride away.

But it is a very nice letter.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 02:49 PM
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13. She's Awesome.
Though I may not fully support her decision to back him, she's a shining star of a senator and I think her response was incredibly thoughtful, intelligent and reasonable as always. Even in times of disagreement she proves she is someone we can be very proud to call our own who stands by her integrity while maintaining one of the most intellectual, rational, fair and capable demeanors in all of politics.

God bless her.
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Rokketmania Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 02:53 PM
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17. Boxer & Lieberman, NOT Lamont?
Edited on Tue Jul-25-06 02:53 PM by Rokketmania
It seems to me that Lamont's position(s) are more in line with
Boxer's than Joe's.  Is this just Senate
"collegiality" or some kind of payback?
Inquiring minds want to know.

.

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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 03:04 PM
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24. I'd Say She Explained Herself Pretty Well.
I know you don't like her explanation, but it is what it is.

Personally, Ned Lamont is unestablished. At least Barbara knows what she's getting with Joe, and she made it clear the level of trust she has in him on some of the issues most important to her. I think she was quite clear and intelligent in her explanation and I'm sure the fact she has established a trust with Joe on these important issues, and can rely on him for them, is a large factor in her decision.

As I said, she's one of if not the best Democratic senators we have, and I don't expect to agree with her 100% on everything every single time. But I have found no reason ever to have any less than 100% complete respect and admiration for her and her work.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 08:30 PM
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63. It's Senate collegiality
At least she says she'll respect the decision of the voters of Connecticut, unlike Liebermann.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 02:50 PM
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14. Even when she does something I disagree with, she makes
her case and defends her stand - none of the typical Dem blowing in the wind to phrase things 'just so' they offend the least amount of people.

I disagree - but this is one classy lady, an actual leader in the Dem party who has certainly earned the right to do as she is doing.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 02:51 PM
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15. ok -- here's what drives me crazy...
''For 14 years, Joe Lieberman and I have shared an alliance on a range of progressive issues, especially two that are central to my public service -- the environment and choice.
We have worked side by side on the Senate's Environment and Public Works Committee. When Bill Clinton was President, the stakes weren't nearly as high. But within hours of President Bush taking office, the environment was under attack.
Believe me, it has not been easy to fight the Bush Administration and the Republicans on this committee who try to undermine the environment, and its supporters, at every turn.
I know that's not news to you. But what you might not know about is the critical role that Joe has played in this battle.
The fact is, on every single fight I have waged on that committee -- from arsenic in the water, to air pollution, to pesticide testing on infants and children, to global warming, to Superfund and much more -- Joe has been a stalwart partner and leader.

Joe was the first author of legislation to permanently protect the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. He was one of the first Senators to try to tackle the global warming challenge. The Republicans laughed at his efforts and refused to admit that we were right on this issue. But Joe was undeterred.
And it's the same with women's rights, especially choice. Each and every time a woman's right to choose has come to the Senate floor -- including late term emergency abortions -- I've had a reliable partner in Joe.''

the causes that boxer is representing here{she is one of my senators , and i'm happy with her''} represents a rational FLOOR not a celing -- those causes -- the environment and choice are the very rational things that any senator -- democratic or republican should be behind foursquare.

it's not ''progressive'' or ''liberal'' or anything else to be pro environment or pro choice -- it's sane -- rational -- the absolute right thing to be if you're not a complete whore to the willfully ignorant republicans out there.

these issues shouldn't up for consideration for a political leader with a modicum of brains -- it's about trade and the environment or nafta or the world trade organization.

it's about the courage to begin to stand up to the new corporate paradigm -- and turn it back.

i.e. you support the fillibusters against those judges who you KNOW will be against the interests of america.
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 03:21 PM
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35. I heard two pundits
today say that if Lieberman wins the primary it will be seen/spun as support for the war (see even liberals in Connecticut support the war). I can hear it now.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 04:04 PM
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49. oh i'm COUNTING on that.
one thing is rock solid certain with the ''msm'' at this time in history -- they are part and parcel of the attempt to control history.

a bitter lesson for the corporate lords from viet nam?

it's certainly a known tool for the ''victorious'' -- control history.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 11:24 PM
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68. Unfortunately, the majority of the US Senate is NOT sane
What you are saying is absolutely true. Back in the 1960's and 70's, Joe Lieberman would probably be a Moderate Republican. But this isn't the 70's anymore, and far right has hijacked our country and now people like Lieberman are considered liberal by most. Boxer is right that Lieberman has done some good work in these areas, but his disloyalty to the party and his hypocriscy are just sickening. That's why I support Lamont.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 05:48 AM
Response to Reply #68
78. i have to agree with you.
and i too hope conneticut sends a message to the beltway dems.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 02:53 PM
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18. She didn't address Joe's stalwart support of Bush's agendi..
His initiate for protecting the Arctic has been trashed.
Apparently the language contained in the legislation was
very thin to begin with..other than lobbying for mental
health care problems for our soldiers, a problem he
helped to create..

Why does the State of CT need any mo Joe?
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 02:55 PM
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19. I'm glad she realizes how much she disappointed a lot of people.
I really like Boxer, but I disagree with her to the max on this appearance for Joe. When I saw the video of it, I was appalled... she seemed evasive, non-repsonsive, and frankly, to be "spinning" for him.

Joe needs to go. Period. I'm glad she will, at least, respect the decision of the CT voters, and didn't insult them by calling them "nutty" or anything like Bill did. My guess is her appearance did little to help Joe and more than it should have to hurt her.

TC
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REACTIVATED IN CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 03:13 PM
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33. Did Bill call us "nutty" ?
I thought it was our Speaker of the CT House - Ammann - who called us the "shreeking minority".

I sure hope we can find a good candidate next year to replace Ammann. I am so sick of these politicos who think they are entitled to their offices regardless of what the majority of the voters want.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 05:50 AM
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79. Yes, Joe needs to go. Barbara needs to STFU or just perhaps she'll
be next. The only way to stop the Senate from whoring for each other is DEMAND that they serve THEIR CONSTITUENTS FIRST. Barbara Boxer, this isn't your fight, so kindly STFU.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 03:00 PM
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21. I love Barbara and her decision to back Lieberman does
not change that. However, if I could vote in Connecticut in the primary, Lieberman would not get my vote. I did the same here in California when I voted for another candidate for senator instead of Dianne Feinstein in the primary.

Although both Senators have done much good that I appreciate, both have also worked too much for their own self interest and have set the Democratic cause backwards because their reaching across the aisle involved crouching in a position of worship with no shame for the damages their compromises effected. That's why I would prefer another Democrat at this time.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 03:00 PM
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22. Do they all eventually become mutual admiration society members?
This is typical tin-eared, inside-the-beltway behavior and it's especially sad coming from one of the few who seemed to understand the urgency of putting a halt to the right wing juggernaut. The battle line has not been so distinct in a long time, and Barbara Boxer is making a terrible mistake, if she thinks she can straddle that line. The very fact that she had to write an apology letter about it proves that she knows it's not right.
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 03:01 PM
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23. Nice letter, sincerely... but we need the house back..screw the details
IMO.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 03:05 PM
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25. Boxer and Lieberman are both good people.
And I applaud Lieberman and Boxer's cooperative work on the environment and women's issues.

You know, although we disagree with Lieberman on foreign policy issues, it is not the senate that primarily sets foreign policy. It occured to me while reading the OP how beneficial it may be to have someone who is respected by Republicans, and able perhaps to bring a few more Republicans over to our side on issues like the environment and women's rights. So maybe Lieberman's foreign policy opinions help him to get parts of the Democratic domestic agenda passed? Just a thought.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 03:08 PM
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28. And Lamont is a good person too.
But one of those people has drifted away from popular opinion in their homestate, and is going down in flames because of it.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 03:09 PM
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29. Yeah let's trade piles of blown up brown people
for our environment and choice.

Lovely thought, that.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 01:05 AM
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73. That sums it up pretty well. nt
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 03:59 PM
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46. Now I get It (nt)
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 03:07 PM
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27. So, if we have nice water and choice, we can blow up brown people
all we want to and its ok.

Cause he's my friend, and ah lahk him a lot.

Damn we need a new senate.

damn damn damn
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 03:09 PM
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30. I support Senator Boxer and Lamont
I don't require politicians to agree with me on every issue. She can make principled, well thought out positions that are very different than mine. She's proven herself to me and I think progressives who reject Boxer over supporting Lieberman are extremely short sighted.

A proud Californian Democratic Boxer constituent.
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yebrent Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 03:17 PM
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34. I will reserve judgment until after the primary.
If Lamont wins the primary and she and the Big Dog do not endorse Lamont, then I will be extremely disappointed. Some people have mentioned that this may give her and Bill more clout in asking Joe not to run as an independent if he loses the primary. I guess we will have to wait to see how this plays out.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 03:24 PM
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36. I'm still happy to have her as my senator, even thought I'm disappointed
she's supporting right wing-leaning Joe Lieberman.

Even if that was a form letter, I thought it was refreshing to hear her admit she's realizes she's disappointing people.

But the bottom line is the senate protects its own.

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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 03:28 PM
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37. I have a hypothesis
That Boxer negotiated support for Leiberman in the primary in return for a Joementum vote on a progressive issue (Joe has been voting more progressive since this primary challenge began). In other words, she signed on the dotted line and must honor her agreement, therefore she appeared for Leiberman.

It is true that this letter has a great deal of spin when it comes to the choice issue. Alito and Roberts weren't exactly shining examples of men to put on the SCOTUS if one is a sincere pro-choice senator. We are talking Constitutional rights, not a political football. Boxer had to defend her position somehow, so this was the best argument she came up with. Her clear progressive voting history exonerates her from the wrath of the grassroots for infractions like this. Despite the strawmen hurled from the DLC, the progressive grassroots can be a forgiving bunch, especially on unimportant matters like this. After all, the new strength of the grassroots and the blogosphere in general (from whence Lamont get his best support) is that we are NOT a cult of personlity that will vote for brand X just because our favorite Dems say so.

After all, did Boxer's endorsement sway anyone here? I doubt it. Once you are off the Joementum bandwagon, there is no going back. I'm pretty sure Boxer knows this and also knows her support will not affect the primary one bit.

Joe's calling in ALL favors, I'm sure. He is scared. More scared than I ever imagined him being just a year ago. Personally, I was hoping that a primary challnger would get enough support to just remind Joementum that he can be called on the carpet. Now he is fighting for his political life. Apparently this internet grassroots thing we have going here is more powerful that previously thought. All progressive victories in the last five years (both of them) got their start right here in electron packets.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 03:32 PM
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38. "Did Boxer's endorsement sway anyone here?"
Nope. And goes to show ya what a master craftswoman she is.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 03:35 PM
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39. Well, if my hypothesis is true (which I do not know)
then she negotiated a meaningless gesture away for a progressive vote. That sounds like good politics to me.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 04:00 PM
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47. I tend to think you are right. n/t
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 03:39 PM
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41. No! Her first allegiance is to her constituancy. "They" are her Caesar!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 04:01 PM
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48. These two situations are complementary. n/t
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 04:52 PM
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62. They are synonymous!
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 03:47 PM
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42. I want my roses back
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 03:52 PM
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44. i am fully FULLY for lamont but i do appreciate this letter and
senator boxer for writing it
she is among the more committed representatives we have and i thank her for trying to communicate with those who dont agree with her instead of the usual drivel that comes from government offices

thank you senator boxer
i hope to see you side by side with senator lamont and i know you will support whomever is voted in by the people of connecticut
i also know that even though you represent california you also represent me in many ways (especially since i receive no real representation here in dc)
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 03:59 PM
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45. Sorry Barbara.. you are Part of the Problem Now
Same 'Ole, same 'Ole just doesn't cut it anymore. And as for that dirt bag, Joe LIEbermann, he can go to hell.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 04:05 PM
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50. Wait! Think about it. How much good is an endorsement
from Barbara going to do for him? :evilgrin:
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 04:15 PM
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53. hmmmm.... (nt)
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 04:10 PM
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51. Well-reasoned respnse. I still like Boxer & despise Joe.
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 04:10 PM
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52. I support Senator Boxer. I understand how difficult it is to respect
people for SOME of their decisions, but not all. She has proven herself loyal to her friend, which I think she should have done, and further stated that she will respect the will of the Connecticut electorate.

This is what personal integrity is all about -- it doesn't make "everyone happy" all of the time, but its knowing/understanding that people don't have to be 100% in agreement with you all of the time to be "good people."

Senator Lieberman has been a good Senator on a variety of issues. Unfortunately, he has become a symbol of "Bush Love" and while that may have been acceptable before the Republicans destroyed the concept of "bi-partisanship" it is now officially Out of Step. We *HATE* Bush -- and a man who was "respected" because of his views on morality which gave him the "right" to scold Clinton over an office fling has not utilized that same "moral authority" to criticize a man who appears to be bent on destroying the world.

I support Lamont for Senator, but hope Joe Lieberman will continue to work for the issues he strongly believes in -- the environment, and choice in particular. I also find myself deeply impressed with Senator Boxer for her difficult, yet principled stance. If she chooses to run for President, I will definitely throw my small support her way.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 04:17 PM
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54. i think Barbara has done a good job explaining her actions
i may not agree with her, but i respect her decision. The crucial thing will be after the primary - if she respects the will of the voters. I believe she will.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 04:33 PM
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57. Props to Barbara. Good letter. Just right. nt
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huskerlaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 04:35 PM
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58. That's my senator!
I disagree with her decision and I don't necessarily agree with her reasoning either, but she obviously weighed the pros and cons and is acting in a way that she feels is right.

And she took the time to explain her reasoning to a constituent. How many senators do that? I happily agree to disagree with her on this one. What a class act.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 04:40 PM
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59. Barbara, Barbara, Barbara..
Edited on Tue Jul-25-06 04:40 PM by SoCalDem
Joe-no-Mentum's voting record is suspect since it's easy to rack up a "favorable percentage" when voting FOR issues that are democratic issues, but are sure to fail, due to the rightwing majority.. The BRAVE votes are the close ones, where he (or any senator) votes against the "grain" and gives them that one or 2 vote margin they need in order to pass some vile piece of legislation..

and the slavering, cloying, ass-kissing is beyong annoying.. Lieberman (and a few others) GIVE COVER, COMFORT, AND QUASI-AUTHENTICITY to the most vile president we have ever had. I cringe every time I hear one of the republitrolls saying " It has BIpartisan support..why Joe Lieberman, democRAT senator voted for it"..

Quit wiping their asses..
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 04:45 PM
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60. i read this with an open mind
i saw some clips of Boxer's appearance in CT ... they were disturbing to say the least ...

but i do respect her and i was willing to read what she had to say ... in fact, while there's no way i would accept her support of Lieberman, i had hoped she would give me a good solid reason to "let her off the hook" ... i feel really lousy that she campaigned for bush's favorite Democrat ...

so i read her letter ... because i trust her, i'll accept that what she wrote was sincere ...

but man is it ever screwed up ... i mean completely ... i'll focus specifically on her comments about Lieberman's support for the environment and global warming ... LIEBERMAN VOTED FOR THE bush/cheney ENERGY BILL ... more oil ... more pollution ... more war ... more corporate welfare ... more lobbyist corruption of our democracy ... and stifled pursuit of alternative energy sources ...

Babs, i love ya but you totally blew it on this one ...
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 12:22 AM
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72. not only that
she oughta read this:
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0714-33.htm

Lieberman voted for Roberts and for cloture on Alito. That's pretty solidly pro-choice, isn't it? -- NOT!!

But the worst part about Lieberman is not his votes in the Senate. It is his speeches on TV constantly supporting Bush and constantly criticizing Democrats. That helps to convince the public that the rest of the Democrats are just being partisan, instead of reasonable and patriotic like Saint Joseph. Things that make you go :argh:
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MzNov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 09:40 PM
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64. Too late Babs, the damage is done

we'll be watching you very closely now. You've raised a big red flag and have made your constituents and Lamont supporters very upset. Lamont is going to win so I hope you decide to endorse him for the November election. If not, I hope you're history.

Nedrenaline!

:bounce:
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 10:08 PM
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65. received the same letter
after first receiving this message yesterday re my correspondence expressing my disappointment in her campaigning for Lieberman:

"I have forwarded your email to the appropriate campaign committee for response."

Sincerely,

Dan Hammer
Correspondence Director
U.S. Senator Barbara Boxer



A neutral stance in this hotly contested primary would have been my choice.

I don't want 6 more years of stay the Lieberman course.

Boxer can forge relationships with either Lieberman or Lamont.



Like other organizations, the Patrick Henry Demcoratic Club in California tracks and scores Senator and Representative votes based on various bills, amendments, resolutions, confirmations, and so forth. Based on PHDC's criteria, this is how Boxer compares to Lieberman.

in 2005, the score range was +550 to -550

Boxer's score: 152.5 (the highest score of any Senator) - thank you, Barbara
Lieberman's score: -255 (that's worse than Blanche Lincoln)

http://patrickhenrythinktank.org/sen-score7.html


Sorry, Sen. Boxer, but Lieberman's votes and actions (appearances on corporate media, etc.) affect me in California, too. Let's see how a Senator Lamont does.



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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 10:43 PM
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66. Another Gutless Justification......
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DYouth Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 11:04 PM
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67. That's it: She's sleeping with him!
Sorry, that's what I got from the repeated "14 year alliance" phrase jumbled in there ^_^
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Truthiness Inspector Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 11:28 PM
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69. Was this an email or is there a link? n/t
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 02:05 AM
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74. EMAIL
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 11:32 PM
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70. It's a good letter and I respect Senator Boxer
As she stated, Lieberman has been a great help to her in the past on championing issues that are important to her. She's not saying that Lamont won't be a great champion of those issues, but she is saying that because Lieberman has supported her in the past, she is supporting him now.

Remember, everyone, this is Senator Boxer, one of the most honest and courageous members of the Senate. She has no political ambition for higher office and no motives other than doing what she thinks if best for the country and best for her state.

The fact is that Lamont is a complete newcomer and it is not reasonable to expect anyone to support a newcomer over someone that they have been friends and colleagues with for over a decade. That is one of the key disadvantages that primary challengers have. It's actually pretty amazing, in my opinion, that Lamont managed to get Maxine Waters to come campaign for him.

All of that said, I hope Lamont wins on August 8th and I hope that all of these senators will keep their word to support him if he does.
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T Town Jake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 12:02 AM
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71. She's right.
(n/t)
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 04:16 AM
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76. LOL @ Boxer
Boxer shows she'll put the clubhouse ahead of principle any day. Not surprising, really--merely disgusting.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 05:04 AM
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77. August 8, the Democrats of Connecticut will make their voices heard
So what the hell is she doing in Connecticut
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zcflint09 Donating Member (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 08:14 AM
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80. Excellent response from Barb
She is truly one of the best people we have in government right now. If that letter wasn't personally from her, it had to be run by her once or twice before sending it out and I appreciate her honestly. Not a big fan of Joe, but Barabra Boxer is clearly a great Democrat and I appreciate hearing such directness from a canidate.
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