If I were a Lebanese citizen I'd be outraged at Hezbollah.

[Clarkie1]

For the death and destruction they have brought to Lebanon by their thoughtless acts, their cowardice, and their complete disregard for the loss of innocent life.

[AzDar]

1. With all due respect...if you were a Lebanese citizen, you might be dead.

eom.

[Clarkie1]

2. That's might point, and it's Hezbollah's fault. nt

[catmother]

20. agreed. nt

[ShortnFiery]

24. Oh stop that grade school game, His fault! His fault! No, it's the

Israeli jets that are reigning "hell on earth" in Lebanon.

Why can't you understand that every bomb that kills innocent civilians, strengthens the militant branch of Hezbollah.

WTF is wrong with Israel?!?

[Clarkie1]

32. I'm not so sure it is strengthening Hezbollahs hand this time.

Hezbollah has been condemned for this by many arab countries this time...that is something new.

I suspect most Lebanese understand it is militant Hezbollah that has brought destruction upon their land.

[ShortnFiery]

39. Check out the opinions of these so called MODERATE Arab Nations

Now? You're losing them. They want an immediate end to the killing.

In the blood-lust, the Israelis are losing the good will of most all the nations in the world. When you have Mighty Power, you also have responsibility to use it WISELY.

Israel and the USA are helping the world ABSOLUTELY HATE US!

[Zynx]

36. You could say the same thing about an Israeli citizen.

Israel is not intentionally targeting civilians. Hezbollah is. Hezbollah just does not have very much firepower.

[Name removed]

3. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Clarkie1]

23. I am upset. It's very upsetting. nt

[stepnw1f]

30. You are Lovin Every Minute of This (nt)

[ginnyinWI]

4. apparently Hezbollah has been providing goods and services

to the Lebanese people--so there might be a certain amount of goodwill because of that.


Anyway, people aren't always logical; look at the Republicans in this country!

[arcane1]

5. if you were a Lebanese citizen you would be calling your family

and making sure they are still alive

BOTH SIDES ARE GUILTY of thoughtless acts, cowardice, and complete disregard for the loss of innocent life

if you were a human being with any sense whatsoever, you would have equal outrage for both sides

[peacebird]

6. I'm an american citzen outraged at the bush admin for over 2500 dead

soldiers and tens of thousands wounded (not to mention the tens of thousands of dead Iraqi and Afghani people)

I've been outraged for YEARS

... :wtf:

Doesn't seem that my outrage is stopping the neocons, now does it?

[catmother]

21. same here. we're powerless right now. we can't help with

the israel/Hizbollah crisis, or iraq, we can just try to make sure that we get the right people elected next time.

[TomClash]

7. It was abducting those two soldiers that created the conflict?

Yeah, right. :eyes:

[tocqueville]

8. If you were a Lebanese citizen

you'd be either Shiite, Sunni or Maronite (Christian). Even the third group is putting the blame on Israel, despite their disapproving of Hezbollah.

[MadHound]

9. If I were a Lebanese citizen, if I wasn't dead or dying

I would be pissed as hell at the Israeli army for going over the top in their reaction, for unleashing the dogs of war over a situation where negotiation was always the order of the day beforehand, for disproportionately targeting civilians and their infrastructure, and for unleashing weapons whose use is a war crime. If I were a Lebanese citizen, that is what I would be pissed about. And from all indications, that is exactly what the citizens of Lebanon are pissed off about.

[Rex]

10. Lebanese/Hezbollah.

What if you had a friend/family member in Hezbollah. Would you confront them?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

11. If I were Lebanese I'd be outraged at Israel.

Considering Israel's the one killing all of the Lebanese.

In fact, that almost strikes me as blaming Jews for 9-11.

[walldude]

12. Woo Hoo Flamebait... I've got the

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[rniel]

13. That's wierd

I think I'd be mad at the guy who dropped the bomb on my house first.

[Clarkie1]

25. No, I'd be mad at the guy who dropped to bomb on the

guy who dropped the bomb on my house...because that guy was the instigator.

[rniel]

35. So if

Bush thought a dangerous terrorist lived in your house and dropped a bomb on your house in mistake. You'd only be mad at the guy who that bomb was intended for. Even though you had lost your whole family over it. Doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't work that way. Do the Iraqis reserve all their anger for only Saddam Hussein after American bombs have just destroyed their house. I think not. I'm not taking sides at all only stating reality.

[azurnoir]

37. Thank-you

As Americans it's easy to back and think about all of this, we have that luxury. In Lebanon people are to busy trying to stay alive to have time to think about who started it and why.

[Marie26]

If I were an Lebanese citizen,

I'd be outraged at Israel for killing civilians & destroying my country. If I were Israeli, I'd probably support it as a "necessary evil" to stop Hizbollah attacks. As an American, I stand on the sidelines & don't know what to think.

[mike_c]

14. classic propagandist revision....

Hezbollah isn't bombing and burning Lebanon. Israel is. Hezbollah's actions-- the ones that preceded the current violence-- were designed to initiate a prisoner exchange-- recall that Israel has "kidnapped" hundreds of Hezbollah and other Lebanese for the crime of being "militant" and holds them in Israeli prisons. There is no comparison between the proportionality of Hezbollah's actions and Israel's response.

If I were a Lebanese man I would be joining my brothers to fight the invader killing my children.

[hack89]

26. What was the purpose of the Hezbollah rocket attacks.

over the past few years? What were suppose to initiate?

[mike_c]

34. mostly nuisance....

The vast majority of those rockets did no damage at all. Look, if I throw rocks at my neighbor's house every week or two, and he retaliates by killing my family, poisoning the dog, and blowing up my house, then yes, I shouldn't have pissed him off, but that doesn't make his response any less heinous.

[hack89]

44. So Hezbollah has no intention to kill large numbers of civilians?

or do they simply lack the capacity? Is the issue simply that Israel didn't wait long enough until Hezbollah had the ability to kill more Israelis, therefore it isn't a fair fight?

[mike_c]

52. are you arguing in favor of "preemptive war?"

???

[killbotfactory]

43. They want to destabalize the region

Some of it has been tit for tat violence, but after Syria pulled out, it seems clear Hezbollah wants a war with Israel for some reason, despite the protestations of the new Lebanese government.

Israel is more than happy to oblige them, apparently.

[hack89]

45. I think you are right. nt

[Clarkie1]

27. I wouldn't. nt

[catmother]

15. so would i. hezbollah uses them as shields. i had a co-worker

many years ago who came from germany when she was in her 20s. she hated jews. made no secret about it. when the arabs grabbed the israeli athletes in munich and killed them she said with her german accent "i hate the jews, but i hate the arabs more, they're sneaky bastards". she pronounced sneaky "schneeky".

i don't know why i posted that. it just came to my mind.

[ShortnFiery]

17. The Israelis use Palestinians as Shields. Tit for tat? Nobodys innocent

On Edit: IMO that co-worker of yours was quite a disturbed woman. :(

[catmother]

19. oh she was. her father was not allowed to even visit her in the

states because he had been in the SS.

[ShortnFiery]

22. Whoa! Yes that's just sad. Glad she was a co-worker and not family.

:hi:

[catmother]

40. i always make a point of telling people that my greatgrandmother

came here from germany in 1890. don't want anyone thinking my irish-german heritage had any thing to do with what happened there.

i actually had family who were in a concentration camp. i don't know why. my uncle was an american, but my aunt was german. they were living in germany and had some kind of business and were put into a camp. their oldest son, never really developed because of his young years being in the camp, but when they came to the states it worked to his advantage and he became a jockey.

i don't know whether they were jewish sympathizers. it was so long ago. anyone that would know the whole story is dead.

[ShortnFiery]

48. Thank you for sharing the above. Very interesting background

All kinds of groups were targeted for collective punishment by the Nazis: Jewish People, Gypsies, Gays, etc. Anything that the master race saw as "a threat." :(

[ShortnFiery]

16. And if your child or wife were killed by an Israeli Air Strike ...

you'd be signing up for Hezbollah's militant branch A.S.A.P.

IMO, you (most anyone) would be their number one fan!

[Clarkie1]

29. No, I really don't think I would.

The Lebanese know who provoked this by their thoughtless acts.

[ShortnFiery]

33. Stop discounting the past, where there have been numerous prisoner

swaps. Further the Israelis are holding hundreds of Lebanese politicians in jail without due process.

No, the vast majority of grieving parents would be calling for THEIR HEADS! If my child were murdered, I would, without a doubt, seek retribution. I would love to believe that I could rise above the hate, but no, I would find these killers and do everything to make THEIR lives hell. And in a quiet pensive moment, you would admit the same too? I believe so. ;)

[Catherine Vincent]

18. ??

n/t

[The Stranger]

28. Flamebait.

[Zynx]

38. And accusing Israel of genocide isn't?

[The Stranger]

50. Nobody buys into this propaganda here.

They see through it here.

[walldude]

41. Half the goddamn threads today are like this

while good threads sink like stones. Here have some :popcorn: and :beer:

[NNN0LHI]

31. Last time Hezbollah drove out the Israelis even the Christians were happy

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5559548

<snip>Hezbollah entered Lebanese politics since 1992, and currently holds 14 seats in Lebanon's 128-seat national assembly, as well as the cabinet post of minister for water and electricity. It also draws support through its own private network of social and educational services. Its crowning achievement, though, was to force Israel's military to end its 22-year occupation in May 2000.

At the time, the militant group received widespread praise, including from Christian and secular Lebanese who opposed its hard-line ideology. But even as some hoped Hezbollah would then give up its arms and morph into a strictly political entity, Hezbollah set about expanding its influence.

Despite persistent international pressure, the group did not abandon its weapons nor deploy away from the Israeli border. And Lebanon's fragile government -- a delicate balance of the country's Shia, Sunni and Christian communities -- was not strong enough to force those measures.

Lebanon found itself in a bind after it promised to disarm all "militant" groups. But earlier this year, according to Anthony Cordesman of the Center for Strategic and International Studies, the government avoided a showdown by designating Hezbollah a "resistance" force against Israel instead of a militia. In this way, according to a State Department report Cordesman cites, Lebanon also exempts Hezbollah from money laundering and terrorism financing laws.

[MrSlayer]

42. Dead on.

They need to get together with Israel and possibly a NATO force to purge these terrorists from their country. Only after they are gone will there be peace in Lebanon.

[in_cog_ni_to]

46. I was reading a blog by a Lebanese who lives in Kuwait with his wife

and he is PISSED as hell at Hezbollah. His wife was in Lebanon when this started and she was having a difficult time getting out and he was cursing Hezbollah for what they have done. His fellow Lebanese bloggers who were posting on his blog AGREED. Apparently, the loudest anti-Israel voices are in the U.S., in the Progressive movement posting on DU. :eyes:

[melnjones]

47. Most are.

Most are ALSO outraged at Israel's response. There are Israeli's outraged at both groups as well. This is not a black and white situation.

[Cleita]

49. As an American citizen I'm outraged by the Minutemen who

have set themselves up as vigilantes at our southern border, prompting our politicians to move National Guard there. This too could lead to some shooting and killing but most Americans seem to think it's all right. Now it's a possibility that many Lebanese feel about their terrorists the same way.

[treestar]

51. Why don't you go over to Lebanon and ask them?