Does anyone else feel lost right now? The dems are behaving ATROCIOUSLY

[debbierlus]

I have not been overly thrilled with the dems for awhile. But, I have stuck with them because I have honestly believed that it was a smart decision to stick by them and work towards creating progressive, positive change.

But, after this week, I don't know what to do. I am absolutely disgusted with their unconditional support of Israel. I am also appalled at their lack of foresight about what Bush is capable of doing with this situation. We all know that he has been chomping at the bit to strike Iran with airstrikes. (And, NUKES, remember a couple months back when they wouldn't take a PREEMPTIVE strike of Iran with nuclear weapons off the table). This situation would provide the perfect foil to attack Iran and Syria under the guise of protecting Israel. And, I am not so sure that this whole atrocity wasn't planned in conjunction with the White House with Israel. I am not saying that it definitely was...but I wouldn't write it off as a possibility. Aren't any of the dems (with the exception of Kucinich, bless his courageous heart and soul) worried about where this will lead and what the adminstration will do?

I feel sick. Clinton and Boxer whoring for Lieberman. I have really had it. At this point, the dems should be shutting down the Senate and the House. We are on the friggin verge of WWIII. I am starting to think I have been living a complete delusion when it comes to 90% of the democratic party. They aren't a party of peace. And, they aren't a party of courage.

I AM FED UP TO HIGH HEAVEN WITH COWARDICE AND LACK INTEGRITY.

Screw it.

[ShortnFiery]

1. I'm deeply disappointed in Our Democratic Representatives today eom

[ruggerson]

2. Last I checked this was "DEMOCRATIC underground"

Not Israel Haters Underground.

[jonnyblitz]

3. it's not fucking LIKUD underground either!!

:puke: :puke:

[ruggerson]

9. Agreed, it's DEMOCRATIC underground

and the vast majority of sane Democrats that I speak to on a daily basis support Israel. Just because there is a loud, screaming contingent here who tries to establish some kind of inane moral equivalence between Israel and Hezbollah doesn't mean that 90% of Americans agree with them.

[debbierlus]

11. The majority of the people Israel is mutilating and destroying

Are not Hezbollah!

They are just ordinary citizens caught in the cross-fire. Israel's actions are barbaric.

[Robbien]

14. Nice how you use GOP/DLC tactics of saying opposing viewpoints

are loud and screaming and inane and immoral.

You and the RNC/DLC do not have a leg to stand on here so you just spew hatred at anyone who does not view the world in the same way as you do.

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[Robbien]

25. No you are not

You are just trying to yell down anyone who does not see the world in the same way you do.

You like dropping bombs on middle east citizens, which is the same view BushCo, the RNC and the DLC have. There are plenty of sane Democrats who view this middle east policy as just criminal.

[ruggerson]

31. Ah, I see

Use the "you're a fucking republican!" card and then back off from that when that doesn't work and tell the person they're "yelling" at everyone who doesn't agree with them.

Another consistent and rational thinker.

[regnaD kciN]

35. I think he left off...

..."angry" and "hate-filled." :eyes:

Wouldn't it be an ironic twist to develop a second variation on Godwin's Law -- namely, the first person who has to resort to calling their opponent an "anti-Semite" automatically loses the argument?

[Lindacooks]

18. Thanks for IDing yourself so I can now hit the ignore button.

[ruggerson]

20. Back atcha n/t

[RaleighNCDUer]

29. I would suggest that as both sides are wantonly firing into civilian

populations, there is a moral equivalency - both are morally bankrupt.

[elehhhhna]

5. Is it Love War & Support Israel Underground? Nope not that, either.

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[debbierlus]

8. Oh PLEASE. Israel is wrong. And, stating that fact doesn't make one

Anti-semitic.

You would think that the people who endured the worst persecution of the Holocaust would be loathe to implement such barbaric and unethical tactics.

I am fed up to high heaven with people justifying their killing as righteous simply because they are a Jewish state.

[malaise]

16. My take precisely

Israel is wrong here.

[demnan]

4. I'm probably a bit older and a lot less surprised

I remember that it was a Democratic President, Johnson, who got us entrenched in Vietnam. Sure, the Republicans in the House and Senate were pushing for it every day, but Johnson went along with it. The peace movement has never been associated with the Democratic party per se. As for Israel, I have mixed feelings about this war because I know that the Israelis were provoked. I think they took matters far too out of scope though.

The Democrats have always been divided about wars and the Iraq war is no different. Sadly, the McGovern wing of the Democratic party couldn't win in 1972, and I don't think it could win today, and sentiment among the public is not nearly as against the Iraq war as it was against Vietnam.

So now you have the take of someone still called "demnan"

[ChiciB1]

7. I've Stopped Wondering A Very Very Long time Ago...

but agree with you, this week TAKES THE CAKE!!

OUR Government is just plain INCOMPENTENT... there are a few, but even SOME that I felt were fighting for us fell off the bus this week too!!

[Hatalles]

10. I vote Democratic most of the time but times like these make me glad...

... I'm an independent.

[itzamirakul]

12. I understand exactly how you feel...I think there are others who also feel

the same. It is bad enough to be sold out by the opposing party, but when you are sold out by your own party..then what?

Frankly, I have believed for some time now that our Democratic leaders (with the possible exception of Cynthia McKinney, and Maxine Waters,are owned totally by AIPAC.
They are merely tools that are being used to control us while we continue to live under the guise that this continues to be some semblance of democracy.

I am not fortunate enough to have citizenship in more than one country, therefore I am loyal only to this one. I really do wonder about those who are lucky enough to enjoy two citizenships...how do they feel?

[confludemocrat]

13. OP is right. And to those who want to act as Dem "loyalty cops"

screw you, you don't own the party, many of such people seem to support nearly ANYTHING the honchos do against the American people's and the rank and files best interests . Nearly all leading Dems have unconditionally supported Israel's actions as the first bombs were dropped even as 25,000 Americans and 30,000 Canadians were still in the country and most Dem blogs and leaders have been silent about the slowness of the evacuation and the human costs to the Lebanese people, much less the criminality of Israels mad dog behavior. What do you want? support for that? Silence? No goddamn way. They'll get the criticism they deserve.

[theHandpuppet]

17. Ditto that

I'm in full sympathy with the OP.

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[EFerrari]

19. Debbie, you are talking about a political party,

not about an order of nuns.

Please.

I know many of us are upset right now and maybe rightfully so.

But, can we calm down and remember that there is no Santa. And that our political parties operate in a context.

I will not rush to the defense of things I don't agree with. But, I can't either comdemn the Democratic Party for not being Human Rights Watch or the Red Cross.

Different institutions, altogether.

Let's take a time out and think about that.

[ruggerson]

21. Shhh

don't infuse sanity into this slugfest.

[EFerrari]

22. I'm such a dope.

:silly:

[debbierlus]

24. I don't think that expecting them not to support

Military atrocities and having the courage to stand up for what's right is expecting too much.

I don't expect perfection, but I do expect SOME type of standard. I think opposing unjust killing is a pretty basic stance.

As a group, they are pathetic. I am not putting all the blame on them. The American people have been so irresponsible in being actively involved (myself included up until these last few years), this is what we get. Our apathy is the real cause of this situation.

I guess we can't ask for much when we have given so little.

[EFerrari]

28. Well, how do we know that Americans are apathetic?

Think about it. Who reports that? CNN? ABC? You see where I'm going with this. You want to believe what the corporate media tells you? Who benefits from telling you, Americans don't care, you have no back up? :)

I agree with you that most people working inside the Beltway are acting as if they are batshit insane.

But if you step back a little, what do you have?

Career politicians, not saints. With a 98% return rate. Okay, that's what we have.

And, they are not my leaders. I don't work for them.

Put another way, you are the leadership. You are the boss. It is your job to set the agenda.

Set the agenda today.

Here's a link to mom cat's thread. We could use you there, so much!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1727524

[confludemocrat]

23. The Establishment elites of both parties are wholly-owned subsidiaries of

the Israel lobby, because of the money or because of fear or because of wilful ignorance.

[Reckon]

34. It's just happens to be the fact of the matter.... nt

[acmejack]

27. I am pretty sure that the Constituents were not well served by that vote!

But that was but one of many. We must face it, we have not been well represented in a long while. Our interests have been subordinated to those of the lobbyists with the fat checkbooks, which is what makes the Washington world go round. Spouses, children and friends are employed as lobbyists, if one was to look carefully, one might believe there were ethical issues. There would be in the real world, but not in the fantasy land that is Washington DC, where the laws of propriety and honorable behavior are cast aside in lieu of it's OK, everybody does it.

[Catchawave]

30. Rove Wins !

Yeppers, that's what we get for caving into "Bad Democrats, Bad" :banghead:

Think about it.:+ :think: :+

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[EFerrari]

33. The plan has been in the works for over a year.

They only needed the next excuse.