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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 04:30 PM
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Rice's "Birth Pangs" remark is reverberating not as intended
From Marc Lynch's blog, Abu Aardvark:

http://abuaardvark.typepad.com/abuaardvark/2006/07/birth_pangs_of_.html

"What we're seeing here, in a sense, is the growing -- the birth pangs of a new Middle East." - Condoleeza Rice, press briefing, July 21, 2006.

In my previous post, I mentioned in an off-hand way that Condoleeza Rice's remark that the Lebanon war represented the "birth pangs of a New Middle East" had been a spectacularly ill-considered remark. It's not clear whether it was planned - it came towards the end of a Q+A, and she stumbled a bit as she said it. But whatever the case, that remark - like George W Bush's disastrous description of Ariel Sharon as a "man of peace" at the height of the Israeli reoccupation of the West Bank in 2002 - has come to define the Arab view of American intentions in this crisis.

Why was it so disastrous? First, because of the sheer callous indifference to human suffering it seemed to convey. Arabs are inundated with images like this one, day and night:



The best comparison I can think of here is Madeleine Albright's remark on Sixty Minutes in 1995, when she told Leslie Stahl that the death of half a million Iraqi children was "worth it" to contain Saddam Hussein. Fairly or unfairly, this comment - repeated endlessly in the Arab media - came to define American indifference to Iraqi and Arab suffering. Rice's remark is having the same effect: even if the idea that America should try and make something, anything, good come out of this horrific war could be defended, this statement failed horribly to do so.

Second, the phrase "new Middle East" is deeply loaded in Arab political discourse. It immediately references Shimon Peres's vision of a Middle East after a successful peace process. Great, you might think - an optimistic vision! But for much of the Arab intelligentsia, Peres's vision was cast as a dystopian future, not a utopian one: of Israel exercising hegemony over the region, exploiting Arab resources and manpower while stripping away the remnants of Arab and Muslim identity. Again, fairly or unfairly this particular wording touched on a raw nerve, triggering a deluge of negative associations. Rice, or whoever crafted this language, should have known that.

Finally, and most importantly, the "new Middle East" phrasing confirmed in the eyes of a wide range of the Arab public that an American hand lay behind the Israeli war. Whether in op-eds or on Arab TV, everyone is quoting this remark... with hardly anyone defending it or praising it. Some deny that there is anything new in the Middle East - a view expressed by even Abd al-Rahman al-Rashed (the usually pro-American director of al-Arabiya). Nobody thinks that a desirable new Middle East can be achieved through a brutal Israel war. Hossein Shobakshy, a Saudi liberal who also hosts an al-Arabiya economics program, writes angrily that the region does indeed need reform, but not through monstrous violence and brutality. Abd al-Bari Atwan, editor of the Arab nationalist al-Quds al-Arabi, writes today that America lost the old Middle East and won't benefit from the new one... because it is still trying only to extend its hegemony through the failed methods of military power, alliances with the corrupt and repressive Arab regimes, and unconditional support for Israel.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 04:32 PM
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1. if it seems callous, that's because it is
is it too late to drop the Love Bomb?
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 04:35 PM
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2. I think the Iranians in particular
will see the callous indifference of the remark. Iranian politicians are masters of the double entendre.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 05:12 PM
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3. kick
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 05:27 PM
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4. The Bible refers to wars as being the
birth pangs of the second coming of Jesus. I think her remark was intentional and a Biblical reference.....feeding right into the "rapture is coming" believers.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 05:45 PM
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5. BV I believe you are correct. The rapture right wants to believe
that this is all due to the unfolding of GaWd's plan, as executed by DimSon.
It is sad that they have been accepted by the Corporate Controlled Media as the
"Mythical Middle" American voters.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 06:02 PM
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6. I think her use of that term was very calculated
with the intent to feed the rapture frenzy. The people that believe in an imminent rapture are the repukes base.

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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 12:30 AM
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7. These people are crazy.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 12:33 AM
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8. the USA is the newborn, mesopotamia is the elder
arrogance, intollerance and ignorance are a few of their favorite things
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 12:50 AM
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9. So Ms. Rice, the boy with the split face and missing eye
is that 'growing pains'? Just frat pranks, right Ms. Rice? :eyes:


Dam that picture Burtworm...:( dam dam dam...
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 01:10 AM
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10. Orwell: Birth=Death
Perhaps a comment about birth is unfathomable to people surrounded by death.

Clear Skies
Healthy Forests
Up is down

Nothing new here.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 01:15 AM
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11. The pictures are heartbreaking.
How do we stop the death and destruction.

Hezbollah says they will win because they love death and Israel loves life. In my opinion, the only path to lasting peace is changing the hearts and minds of those who love death more than life, or killing those who love death more than life.

Right now, it's too late to change the hearts and minds of the Hezbollah militia, so Israel is doing what needs to be done.

When the latest round of fighting stops, I propose massive international aid to Lebanon from we who love life...the Western world and friendly Arab states, as a show of goodwill. And the aid needs to be massive...unprecedented in the region. The Lebanese army and government must have the resources to serve the people so they do not turn to hate. And, they must have the resources to police their own nation and keep it free of terrorist militias.

In my opinion, that is the best opportunity we have now. Whatever your opinion on what Israel is doing now, we need to think about where we go from here.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 02:55 AM
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12. What the Lebanese army is now getting--
--is being bombed by Israel. You know, just like the Palestinian Authority police building with all the computer records--to help them catch suicide bombers, presumably.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 03:23 AM
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13. This is a false and simplistic antinomy wherever it originated.
I think we need to drop the mask of good life-loving westerners and Israelis and acknowledge that American and Zionist imperialism allied with corporate capitalism is basically about domination of the resources of the ME as everyone knows. It is no accident that the US come through with its support for Israel quickly to ensure US forces occupying oil rich Iraq will not have any extra distractions to worry wbout.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:05 AM
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16. Nice thoughts, but not at all realistic and, therefore, not useful.
Edited on Thu Jul-27-06 09:07 AM by BurtWorm
The same problem with Bushist foreign policy.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 10:48 AM
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19. You can't promote the cause of peace with bombs
Now Israel will have enemies its never had before. No "aid" is going to make this atrocity any more palatable to a people being brutalized for the terrorists in their midst over whom they had no control.

Keep up the sanctimonious platitudes about loving life while wiping it out unnecessarily. :eyes:
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 03:55 AM
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14. If this is birth-pains...
maybe they should consider a C-Section before it's too late..

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 06:41 AM
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15. Anyone who refers to "birth pangs" has never been in labor. n/t
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Kber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 10:40 AM
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17. Never been in labor, never been to war.
But fully comfortable making life and death decisions for the rest of the world that has to do the dying (and birthing too, for that matter.)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 10:58 AM
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20. Exactly. n/t
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 10:41 AM
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18. she does have a way with ambiguity and her favorite vagaries
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