About chemical weapons

[k-robjoe]

Following up on the thread about the report on chemical weapons used in Lebanon.

( http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2006-07-26T184016Z_01_L26336023_RTRUKOC_0_UK-MIDEAST-LEBANON-WEAPONS.xml )

Here is some more about Israels production and use of chemical weapons :

": ISRAELI assault aircraft have been equipped to carry chemical and biological weapons manufactured at a top secret institute near Tel Aviv, military sources revealed yesterday.Crews of F-16 fighters have been trained to fit an active chemical or biological weapon within minutes of receiving the command to attack, they said.

The weapons are manufactured at the Institute for Biological Research in a suburb of Nes Ziona 12 miles southeast of Tel Aviv.

(...)

There is hardly a single known or unknown form of chemical or biological weapon . . . which is not manufactured at the institute," said a biologist who once held a senior post in Israeli intelligence."

http://www.middleeast.org/archives/1998_11_08.htm

Overview :

http://www.vtjp.org/report/overview.htm

See also :

"Bewildered medical personnel had "never seen anything..like the gas at Tufa." Victims were "jumping up and down, left and right..thrashing limbs around", suffering "with convulsions..a kind of hysteria. They were all shaking." Others were already unconscious. An hour or two later, they would come to. And the convulsions and the vomiting and disorientation and pain would return. And so it would go, for days or, for some, weeks to come."

http://www.mediamonitors.net/jamesbrooks2.html

( http://www.vtjp.org/report/overview3.htm )

[Selatius]

1. Chemical weapons, a brutal thing to have in any arsenal

The only chemical I've heard Israeli warplanes using against people on the ground is White Phosphorus.

[Redstone]

2. Yes, we saw this when you posted in in the other thread.

Want to try a few more times?

Redstone

[k-robjoe]

3. You saw it?

I´m hoping more people will see it here.

[Redstone]

4. Wow, middleeast.org. Now THERE's an unbiased site, right there.

Give me a break, would you?

And vjtp: A bunch of people sitting around in Vermont. Real cutting-edge news-gathering organization.

Come back when you have some credible sources, OK?

Redstone

[k-robjoe]

5. The Sunday Times

Middle East org is citing The Sunday Times, London, 10/4.

If you google some words from it you get lots of hits, lots of other sites quoting that same Sunday Times article.

( Too late over here ( Norway ) for me to go looking for the original. )

[k-robjoe]

6. Guidelines

"Israel has issued new censorship guidelines banning reporting
of the "use of unique kinds of ammunition and weaponry" in
Lebanon. This comes amid reports that Israel is using chemical
weapons against civilians in Lebanon."

http://www.redress.btinternet.co.uk/israel_censor.htm

[Redstone]

7. Great, another unbiased source. May I quote some of their headlines?

"COUNTERING ZIONIST PROPAGANDA ABOUT HIZBULLAH AND LEBANON"

"ISRAEL'S THIRST FOR BLOOD IN GAZA AND BEIRUT"

"Welcome to Zionized Britain: why was London targeted by terrorists?"

"Redemption: the Zionist aim of greater Israel"

"Is Gotham worth saving? A frank depiction of America's fate"

"The party of cut and run: an assessment of the US Democratic Party"

How about a credible source for just once?

Redstone

[Little Star]

10. Is this one credible?

CounterPunch
How Israel "Disperses" Demonstrations
Chemical Warfare on the West Bank?
By JAMES BROOKS

"On June 10th, 2004, the two clinics in Al-Zawiya treated 130 patients for gas inhalation. The patients were children, women, old people and young men. Dr. Abu Madi related that there was a high number of cases of , spasm in legs and hands, connected to the nervous system. Pupils were dilated...Other symptoms included shock, semi-consciousness, hyperventilation, irritation and sweating." (1)

Thus reads a report by medical units serving the West Bank village of Al-Zawiya, where nonviolent resistance to Israel's impending wall has been extraordinarily resolute. According to the medical report (procured by the International Middle East Media Center - IMEMC), "the gas used against the protestors is not tear gas but possibly a nerve gas."

http://www.counterpunch.org/brooks07062004.html

[Redstone]

14. No, it's not. A bunch of footnotes to make it look impressive, but other

than that, it's pure conjecture.

And, again, this is hardly an unbiased website. Allow me to quote: "Now Available
from CounterPunch Books! The Case Against Israel By Michael Neumann"

I'm still waiting for a credible source. In case that word isn't clear, it means a source that's not an anti-Israel website.

Redstone

[k-robjoe]

17. Thanks for posting this n/t

[Pavulon]

8. Miracle ones

that make people shrink, and leave no trace. Chemicals that kill 5 people and not the people who collected the corpses. Invisible to mass spec and blood tests.

This is pure unadulterated bullshit.

This is worse because it is recycled bullshit.

google palestinian israel chemical weapons for entertainment

[lumpy]

9. Try this

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Israel-using-chemical-weapons-doctors/2006/07/27/1153816285823.html

Australia

[Bjornsdotter]

11. Thanks for the link n/t

[Pavulon]

12. Same link in LBN

it is crap. My wife has treated people with op exposure (farm). It is traceable and causes no burns. VX and sarin are op chemicals.

There is no chemical that kills people with no trace. The body handlers were not killed. mass spec is not that special, they have them in other countries. It shows all kinds of things, like chemical weapons.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2005-20,GGLG:en&pwst=1&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=palestinian+israel+chemical+weapons&spell=1

This is recycled crap.

[Redstone]

15. Just the same old recycled hearsay.

Redstone

[malaise]

13. And they expect me to remain sympathetic

re Hitler's use of chemical weapons against them. This is fugging evil.

[Redstone]

16. Nobody's proven anything, nor offered even a shred of evidence.

Redstone

[cali]

18. There's a simple way to settle this

send tissue samples to a cutting edge lab in Europe or the U.S. To be blunt, there are no chemical weapons that do not leave signature traces. If the Israelis are using these weapons the world needs to know, and if they are not, the world needs to know that it's propaganda. I find it disturbing that you're so eager to believe that Israel would use some new diablolical chemical weapon, when to date, there is nothing but conjecture.

[k-robjoe]

19. Pic

Came across this pic.



I sure would like to know for sure what sort of stuff is being used.

Edit : Will have a new link up in a second.

Edit 2 : ( 1/3 down : http://www.uruknet.info/?s1=1&p=24936&s2=23 )

[cali]

20. From what you posted

"This is it . Tomorrow , a WHO representative is supposed to be handed remains of corpses and tests results, but I'm not very optimistic about any of this;on one hand , the local heath authorities seem more concerned about their political agendas and pay offs and are not giving the issue the time and effort it deserves. On the other hand, I have an innate mistrust and skepticism towards anything that involves the UN."


So even if no trace of a chemical weapon is found, the writer won't believe it. You do realize that that's an indication that these accusataions may be propaganda. As for me, I'm not educated enough in the arena of injuries and deaths in war time, to know what happened to the people in the photos, but again, autopsies and tissue samples would go a long way to clearing up what actually happened to these poor people.

[k-robjoe]

21. Also from what I posted :

"A spokesman for the army, said on record that the Israelis are using "bombs with special fillings" that could include internationally forbidden material."

Seems to me that they are definately using something "special".

If one reads the whole thing it is easier to understand why he will be very sceptical about any "acquittal" (?)

( "Human Rights Watch says Israel is firing cluster munitions
at Lebanese residential neighborhoods in possible violation
of international law. We speak with HRW's Peter Bouckaert
in Beirut."

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/07/25/1442232 )

[k-robjoe]

22. From Reuters

Found this, from Reuters

"Israel has always used them ( phosphorous bombs )," said Timor Goksel, a former spokesman of the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) who served for over 20 years in southern Lebanon.


(...)

"I've seen the victims' burns in the hospital of Tyre, and they almost certainly have been caused by phosphorous bombs," he told IRIN."

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/IRIN/9bf47d453b7612c2f40bc3f75044ceb6.htm

[cali]

23. Then that would seem to settle it

and Israel should be harshly condemned and sanctioned for the use of White Phosphorus, but it does seem to take the use of mysterious new weapons off the table.

[cali]

24. self-delete

[Cobalt-60]

25. Terror Weapons

Chemical weapons are good for murdering unprotected civilians.
And they're good for giving other people with Chemical Weapons reason to believe they'll reap what they sow.
But they're not much of a buy as a general battlefield weapon.
Put your money into conventional explosives, you can't miss.