Women and children died in Israel today.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

They also died in Iraq and Lebanon.

And Afghanistan.

And just about every other place America is trying to install "Democracy."

Please revisit Barry McGuire's Eve of Destruction. http://www.tuff-teach.com/pics/Maguire-Eve_Destruction.mp3

[catmother]

1. i'm sure children died in the US too for lack of food and a

decent place to live. it always amazes me that in a country as rich as we are children go to bed hungry and we have homeless people on the street.

[Behind the Aegis]

2. So sadly true!

Look at the devestation here in New Orleans! There are STILL people without homes!

[Mind_your_head]

3. Israel is all that matters. Didn't you get the memo?

:sarcasm:

[theHandpuppet]

7. Jeeze, where did that come from?

Behind the Aegis and I don't agree on what's happening in the ME right now, but your response was totally out in left field. Can we find no common ground in caring for all who suffer, no matter whether abroad or at home?

[Mind_your_head]

16. It's not "left field" at all......

Year, after year, after year, the US sends/gives millions of dollars to israel and supports her(?) with weapons and technology. While here at HOME (the USA) the needy and the folks who have been hit with DISASTER, through no fault of their own, go TOTALLY without any adequate help, of which the US government is totally capable of (but doesn't) provide!?!?

[Behind the Aegis]

21. Israel is NOT the only recipient of US Aid.

So why single her out, especially as a response to me? Is it my posts or my avatar that brought that statement on?

[Mind_your_head]

29. Israel gets the "most aid" and the "best aid" and for an apparently

indefinite time period.........Why is that? (I don't know the answer to this, so someone knowledgeable, please educate me/us on the subject).

As for: Is it my posts or my avatar that brought that statement on? I don't understand what your avatar is/means anyway....so, I guess that would be a "NO".

[Mind_your_head]

42. No one cares to answer this?

"Israel gets the 'most aid' and the 'best aid' for an apparently indefinite time period.....Why?

:shrug:

[Behind the Aegis]

43. Sorry...I had other things to do and took a shower...

Israel is an ally in a very precarious area of the world. They also get money due to a "settlement" that also provides money to Egypt (and I believe Jordan). As for it being the "best," well that is subjective. I know that much of what is provided is top-notch, but again, that is because there is a "market" there. It is also not an indefinite period of time. The amount of money that goes to Israel is less than one percent of all monies collected in taxes. Does that suffice? Since that is not really the topic of this thread, this is a slight "hi-jacking," but I hope it helps.

[catmother]

40. i think we all did pretty good keeping the emphasis off of

israel even though some tried to get us going.

i'm going to bed now. so goodnight to all of you.

[catmother]

23. don't blame it all on israel. we give money to everyone.

after katrina they had the nerve to say we had to cut back while day after day they fund an illegal war in iraq.

charity begins at home.

[Fozzledick]

12. Yeah, it's all their fault!

Especially New Orleans!

<:sarcasm: off>

Even these are dwarfed by the ongoing but less visible genocides in Sudan and Congo.

But Israel seems to be the target of choice for the self-righteous.

:yoiks:

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

14. In this party, IMHO, there is no right.

[catmother]

13. i would change that to say Iraq. that where all the damn money

is going. and now they want more money and more troups.

[theHandpuppet]

5. I heard a chilling report today...

... that at a conference for post-Katrina disaster preparedness, only 50% of 183 cities surveyed have made any disaster plans whatsoever, including evacuation plans. Heaven help those who may be the next victims of disaster in this country. Our pockets seem bottomless for war, yet empty when it comes to helping the millions right here at home who are in need.

[Behind the Aegis]

15. Many here in NOLA do not have an evacuation plan...STILL!

I was watching the news, and they were saying something like 60% (maybe higher) do not have an evacuation plan! We just moved here, but I can already tell you, my partner and I, as well, as the cat, the dog, the parrot, the lovebirds, the canaries, the 16 finches, the 6 hamsters, and the 2 fish...will beat a path out of NOLA in no time flat! I am very fortunate that we have two cars and a place to go...family in Atlanta. I am more afraid for those that came back and now are in trailers, and STILL have no place to go...not even here in NOLA because places are still under construction and wouldn't withstand another hit!

This country is fraught with perils and people still have no plan. We just left Oklahoma, where we dealt with tornadoes and wildfires. It always amazed me that they had to have signs saying "Do NOT drive into the smoke!" LOL! I am mean, really! That's like having a "no swimming" sign on a shark tank!

[catmother]

11. isn't that amazing -- a year later.

[Behind the Aegis]

17. What's even MORE amazing...or sad, actually...

There are STILL people missing! :cry:

[catmother]

22. so much for FEMA and homeland security and the rest of the

incapable assholes who were in charge.

[Behind the Aegis]

24. I am in an odd postion...

I can't be too enraged because I wasn't here when it happened. I was as shocked as the rest of the country and watched in horror as our governments failed our people! I watched in dismay as FOREIGN governments responded FASTER than our own! We have only been here two months. We CHOSE to move here! This city is still not fully recovered, but it is still just as magical and beautiful, nonetheless!

[catmother]

26. may i ask where you moved from and why you chose NOLA?

[catmother]

28. never mind. i just read your post and you answered my question

[Behind the Aegis]

31. Sure...

My partner was offered an opportunity to transfer here. We jumped on it! Since we saw NOLA 4 years ago, we have been trying to move here! We fell IN LOVE with this city! We moved from Oklahoma, were I lived for 7 years and my partner is originally from.

We are still settling in and have a very nice home. It is much smaller than our home in OK, so our house looks like a storage locker...I would laugh if it didn't stress me out so much! :) We are blocks from the French Quarter and have some great neighbors.

Parts of the city are still a mess, but the resolve of the New Orleans people is undeniable! They have also been very welcoming of those of us who have chosen to move here.

[catmother]

33. i'm happy for you. i've never been to NOLA. my husband

went many years ago on business and they had a flood then -- they had to be taken to the hotel in boats.

i wish you and your partner the best.

[Behind the Aegis]

34. Thanks and...

...get your beauhunkus down here! You will LOVE our city! There is NO other city in the US like this one! But be careful, if you spend too much time here, she will rope you in...it is hard not to fall in love with the city and her people!

[catmother]

36. sorry, but i came to phoenix in 1984 and fell in love with it. we

moved here late 89. my husband got a transfer from his company. i seem to do better in a "dry heat". had enough humidity in new york. of course, every summer when it's 112 i say "what the hell am i doing here -- i'm living in a large convection oven". but then the fall comes and everything is wondeful again. lol

[patrice]

4. And if they didn't die here in America, many were crippled by

poor education. Their minds die.

[catmother]

8. exactly.

[Behind the Aegis]

25. Education and Healthcare...the first victims of this administration!

[midnight]

6. Amazing as Hell isn't it.

Family's that don't have a place to sleep, things to eat, and the richest people in this country are not paying any taxes.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

9. We are being ruled by....

Jesus, there's not a word for them...

[catmother]

10. yep, the rich get richer.

[walldude]

37. Many of the homeless are Vietnam Vets...

There we go supporting the troops again :eyes:

[catmother]

38. yes. many are vietnam vets with severe mental problems. and

in the coming years we'll have the same thing with iraq vets.

[MrSlayer]

18. Men too.

Or is that ok?

[557188]

44. Agreed

It sickens me how people say "women and children" and act like it's ok that men die.

A life is a life is a life. Just because someone has a penis doesn't mean they can't be just as "innocent" as the women and children.

But that deals with the sexism of our culture and how women are weak defenseless creatures that need to be protected. Sickening to see that attitude on here.

[catmother]

45. i believe saying women and children comes from along time

ago when men were the "tough guys" and men protected them. of course, men are innocent victims too.

[rug]

19. The right put out a single shortly after that song.

The Dawn of Correction
The Spokesmen
- written by Raymond J. Gilmore, John Madara and David White (The Spokesmen)
- David White was formerly with Danny & The Juniors
- as recorded by The Spokesmen (released September 18, 1965)
- entered the Billboard Top 40 the week of October 9, 1965 and
stayed for 3 weeks, peaking at #36 the week of October 16, 1965
- answer song to Barry McGuire's "Eve of Destruction"

The western world has a common dedication
To keep free people from Red domination
And maybe you can't vote, boy, but man your battle stations
Or there'll be no need for votin' in future generations

So over and over again, you keep sayin' it's the end
But I say you're wrong, we're just on the dawn of correction

There are buttons to push in two mighty nations
But who's crazy enough to risk annihilation?
The buttons are there to ensure negotiation
So don't be afraid, boy, it's our only salvation

So over and over again, you keep sayin' it's the end
But I say you're wrong, we're just on the dawn of correction

You tell me that marches won't bring integration
But look what it's done for the voter registration
Be thankful our country allows demonstrations
Instead of condemnin', make some recommendations
I don't understand the cause of your aggravation
You mean to tell me, boy, it's not a better situation?

So over and over again, you keep sayin' it's the end
But I say you're wrong, we're just on the dawn of correction

You missed all the good in your evaluation
What about the things that deserve commendation?
Where there once was no cure, there's vaccination
Where there once was a desert, there's vegetation
Self-government's replacing colonization
What about the Peace Corp. organization?
Don't forget the work of the United Nations

So over and over again, you keep sayin' it's the end
But I say you're wrong, we're just on the dawn of correction
But I say you're wrong, we're just on the dawn of correction

So over and over again, you keep sayin' it's the end
But I say you're wrong, we're just on the dawn of correction



"At the Hop" was better.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

20. OMFG! Wow! Well i can say it got no play in the 60's or &0's

Thanks for sharing that with us!

[Cleita]

27. As bad the BBC ran a story about women in war torn

parts of Africa who were so brutally raped that today not only are they shunned but are incontinent and untreated. I can't believe the world I live in.

[catmother]

30. OMG. i saw that last year. i think in was on Oprah. i was

appalled.

[Cleita]

32. This is this year.

Nothing has changed it seems.

[catmother]

35. it seems like everything everywhere is so screwed up. some

say it was predicted in the bible.

i remember seeing a documentary about nostradamus and much of what he predicted seems to be coming true.

back in the early 80s i was studying metaphysics and i read that in the year 2000 the earth was going to shift on it's axis and there would be floods, earthquakes, famine, etc. etc. after 2000 came and went and nothing happened i figured it was just crap. then came the tsunamai and the earth did shift on its axis.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

39. Fuck all of you taking sides here!!!!!!

People are dying

[upi402]

41. "People are dying" over profiteering

:pals: