CNN transcript: Apocolyptic novelist invited to WH, CIA, Maliki speech

[DeepModem Mom]

It's a question that must be asked -- and Kyra Phillips asks it: "Do you think they are taking what you are saying and incorporating it into foreign policy?"


CNN, "LIVE FROM..."
Aired July 26, 2006 - 15:00 ET

KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: Jerry Jenkins is in New York. Now, along with Tim LaHaye, he co- authored the widely popular "Left Behind" series -- only 63 million books sold, by the way. Also joining me, Joel Rosenberg in Washington. He's the author of "The Copper Scroll," the latest of several apocalyptic novels....

ROSENBERG: .... the rebirth of Israel, the fact that Jews are living in the Holy Land today, that is a Bible prophecy. When Iran, Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Russia, they begin to form an alliance against Israel, those are the prophecies from Ezekiel 38 and 39.

I have been -- that's what I'm basing my novels on. I have been invited to the White House, Capitol Hill. Members of Congress, Israelis, Arab leaders all want to understand the Middle East through the -- through the lens of biblical prophecies. I'm writing these novels that keep seeming to come true, but we are seeing Bible prophecy, bit by bit, unfold in the Middle East right now.....

Ezekiel 36 and 37, those are chapters in the Bible, the Old Testament, about the rebirth of the state of Israel, and Jerusalem coming back under Jewish control. We have seen those prophecies happen. Ezekiel 38 and 39, what my novel "The Ezekiel Option" is about is an alliance of Islamic countries to destroy Israel and liberate Jerusalem. We're -- we're -- are we seeing that come true yet? That's the big question. Then, Ezekiel 40 through 48, that's the rebirth of the Jewish temple, the rebuilding of it, in Jerusalem. Now, you know, if that happened in our lifetime, that alone could unleash the wrath of a billion Muslims worldwide.

That's what "The Copper Scroll" is about, hunting for treasures, hunting -- hunting for ancient documents, and the series of events that could unfold that would lead to the Jewish temple and an apocalyptic war in the Middle East....

PHILLIPS: Joel, you also write about the prophet Zechariah. And if I remember right -- let's see -- I think it was 12, right, 12:1-3....

ROSENBERG: This is about -- this is the prophecy that says that God is going to cause the nations of the world, the leaders of the nation, almost get drunk with the dream of recapturing Jerusalem. Now, the Bible says that Jerusalem will come back under Jewish control in the last days. That will be one of the indicators. Well, that's where we are today. But what are we watching? Saddam Hussein, or Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, or Hezbollah leader Nasrallah, they are all drunk with the dream of capturing Jerusalem.

That's what "The Copper Scroll" novel is about, which is this battle, this intense battle, to liquidate the Jewish people and -- and liberate Jerusalem.

Are -- I mean, are we seeing that happen? It's hard not to say that we are. I mean, that's why I have gotten invited over to the CIA and the White House and Capitol Hill, because people -- it's not that they necessarily believe the prophecies, but they want to understand the prophecies in the Bible, in light of what's going on right now.

PHILLIPS: Do you think they are taking what you are saying and -- and -- and incorporating it into foreign policy?

ROSENBERG: I wouldn't go that far.

But I would say...

(LAUGHTER)

ROSENBERG: I would say that Bible prophecy is an intercept from the mind of God. It's actually fairly remarkable intelligence....

What's interesting is, I was just at the Iraqi prime minister's speech today. You know, the Bible talks, in Jewish theology and Christian, that Iraq will be reborn as a country and be phenomenally peaceful and prosperous. And then a huge dictator, known as the Antichrist, will arrive.

Watching the speech today in the House of Representatives, the first speech by an Iraqi prime minister to a joint session of Congress, bit by bit, we are watching revelation and the other prophecies get closer and closer to fulfillment....

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[shadowknows69]

1. They're pretty much right on script I'd say

If I rember my fundie days correctly it's supposed to come down to pretty much The World (and Satan of course) against Israel and the US (and Jesus of course, but don't tell the Jews yet).

[MnFats]

2. well that's just soooo reassuring....God help us and not the

LaHayes' phony-ass version.

We're fuggin' doomed with these miserable pricks in charge...

[smacky44]

16. The neocons are playing the evangelicals for the fools that they are.

They know that "religion is the opiate of the masses" and they know they can accumulate wealth and power by encouraging them to follow the plan that THEY wrote over 2000 years ago. I am sure that the Muslims are following yet another script that was written for them also. Funny how the evangelicals just trash the New Testament by their actions and cling to the OT which is almost directly opposite in position to God and fellowman.

[shadowknows69]

23. What the morans don't seem to realize is

that if they cause the end of civilization all their funny money aint gonna be worth squat.

[mogster]

3. One wonders how much the Bush-administration's policy

dervies from their hunger for the rapture. It sure defies any reason.

[itzamirakul]

6. There is no way under the sun that I will ever believe that anyone in the

Bush administration wants the rapture. I think the rapture means that they will leave the earth and live forever with God in Paradise...that means that they will have to give up all the money they have stolen from us and LEAVE BEHIND all of the treasures of this earth that they are causing men and women to fight for and die for, only to line the pockets of the Bush administration officials. And the same goes for those in Israel and the puppets that Bushco has set up in other governments throughout the world.

The only rapture that this group of pnac-ing neoconning, neolibbing, fascists want is RIGHT HERE ON THIS EARTH, with them in the place of GOD and us in the role of peons and slaves.

[shadowknows69]

12. Ah, but what if they know they won't make the rapture but still

want it to happen. Maybe they're planning on being the ones to rule the "left behind" world. Who would be better at exploiting power from such a situation. If they are truly evil then despite the biblical happenings they probably think they could still help Satan win the endgame and rule forever. Ok Scifi/fantasy geek hat off now.

[itzamirakul]

19. Oh, I think that they are planning to MIHOP - the Rapture that is...

The takeover is damn near complete. Their interest is in making the rest of us believe that "it is God's will."

Even their koolade drinkers are gonna question the form of the rapture when it comes, because I don't think they thought it would come in the form of bombs and chemical weapons that they themselves have paid for.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

[Kiouni]

4. As long as

every one thinks there going to die, they don't worry about the economy or gas prices or social welfare, this is probably Bush's only policy that seems to work.

[regnaD kciN]

5. "I can hear the cuckoo singing in the cuckooberry tree..."

:eyes:

[Vinca]

9. LOL! Perfect.

:rofl:

[malaise]

7. Well we're sure watching the revelation

of their fugged up foreign policy although that is no revelation to me

[Philosoraptor]

8. So the second coming IS our foreign policy.....just fucking great...n/t

[Roland99]

10. Rev. Moon losing favor?

[formercia]

11. Hate to be a nag, but....

This is all part of the Moon-CNP-Grover Norquist et al bunch.

Fearless Leader is their front man.

[populistdriven]

13. This is why neocons wont give up on Iraq!!!!

ROSENBERG: I would say that Bible prophecy is an intercept from the mind of God. It's actually fairly remarkable intelligence....

What's interesting is, I was just at the Iraqi prime minister's speech today. You know, the Bible talks, in Jewish theology and Christian, that Iraq will be reborn as a country and be phenomenally peaceful and prosperous. And then a huge dictator, known as the Antichrist, will arrive.

[Joanne98]

14. Well. The Bible is sure the Hell wrong about this....

that Iraq will be reborn as a country and be phenomenally peaceful and prosperous. And then a huge dictator, known as the Antichrist, will arrive.

God must not know what he's talking about.

[shadowknows69]

15. Make no mistake

given enough time and cannon fodder the neocons will pacify Iraq for their own purposes. Even if they have to commit near genocide to do it. They already are IMO. We are about to increase troop strength and re-take Bagdhad by all means necessary including every savagery that implies and luckily for GW the media won't even see it as long as Israel is providing a distraction.

[elehhhhna]

17. The Muslim Apocalypse story would REALLY piss off the fundies:

The Savior comes back, teaches Jesus how to pray (!) and we all become Muslim.

[shadowknows69]

24. and as soon a the big J comes down from the clouds

and tells me to be a Muslim or a Christian or a Cantaloupe then I'm there. Until then I'm kicking it as what I am.

[elehhhhna]

18. PS, after all this BS is over, "the meek shall inherit the earth", so...

let's just tough it out 'til then.

[Javaman]

20. Another shill. but actually I commend this guy for his books...

Deep down, he knows this to be all bullshit. He's just taking advantage of peoples stupidity.

The "end times" is good script right now and he's running with it.

No doubt he's a repuke. One can tell by how he takes advantage of 1) fundies out right stupidity 2) exploiting people emotions 3) making money off the flavor of the month. All with a straight face.

When all this bullshit finally blows over, he won't be able to give his books away, but then again he won't care, he will have made a fortune.

And as for the fundies? they will have plenty of doorstops.

[hedgehog]

21. These guys need to read Jeremiah

Jeremiah predicted the downfall of Israel when she relied on her army and forgot social justice.

[DeepModem Mom]

22. APOLOGIES FOR MISSPELLING IN SUBJECT LINE

It's "apocalyptic." Up too late last night, after dinner, wine, etc.