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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 08:08 AM
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HUGE - Fucking Ahmed Chalabi! Man Did He Play This Goddamned Cabal!
Edited on Thu Jul-27-06 09:26 AM by newyawker99
The administration did a great job of covering their asses on this one. We all knew about the raid on Chalabi's offices and home. We all knew it was related to Chalabi providing info to Iran.

TURNS OUT THE INFO PASSED BY CHALABI DESTROYED OUR WHOLE INTEL GATHERING OPERATION IN IRAN.

HE WAS A SPY PLANTED BY IRAN TO CONVINCE US TO INSTALL A GOVERNMENT FRIENDLY TO IRAN IN BAGHDAD. HE USED THE NEOCONS FOR EYERYTHING THEY WERE WORTH AND NOW WE ALL PAY!

FUCKING CHALABI! FUCKING NEOCON HACKS!

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http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/10962352/iran_the_next_war/1

(From page 5 of 6)
-Snip from a long Rolling Stone article the whole of which you should read as a preemptive on the coming moves on Iran by the neocon assholes runing the show-

"For years, the National Security Agency had possessed the codes used by Iran to encrypt its diplomatic messages, enabling the U.S. government to eavesdrop on virtually every communication between Tehran and its embassies. After the U.S. invaded Baghdad, the NSA used the codes to listen in on details of Iran's covert operations inside Iraq. But in 2004, the agency intercepted a series of urgent messages from the Iranian embassy in Baghdad. Intelligence officials at the embassy had discovered the massive security breach—tipped off by someone familiar with the U.S. code-breaking operation.

The blow to intelligence-gathering could not have come at a worse time. The Bush administration suspected that the Shiite government in Iran was aiding Shiite insurgents in Iraq, who were killing U.S. soldiers. The administration was also worried that Tehran was secretly developing nuclear weapons. Now, crucial intelligence that might have shed light on those operations had been cut off, potentially endangering American lives.

On May 20th, shortly after the discovery of the leak, Iraqi police backed by American soldiers raided Chalabi's home and offices in Baghdad. The FBI suspected that Chalabi, a Shiite who had a luxurious villa in Tehran and was close to senior Iranian officials, was actually working as a spy for the Shiite government of Iran. Getting the U.S. to invade Iraq was apparently part of a plan to install a pro-Iranian Shiite government in Baghdad, with Chalabi in charge. The bureau also suspected that Chalabi's intelligence chief had furnished Iran with highly classified information on U.S. troop movements, top-secret communications, plans of the provisional government and other closely guarded material on U.S. operations in Iraq. On the night of the raid, The CBS Evening News carried an exclusive report by correspondent Lesley Stahl that the U.S. government had "rock-solid" evidence that Chalabi had been passing extremely sensitive intelligence to Iran—evidence so sensitive that it could "get Americans killed."

The revelation shocked Franklin and other members of Feith's office. If true, the allegations meant that they had just launched a war to put into power an agent of their mortal enemy, Iran. Their man—the dissident leader who sat behind the first lady in the president's box during the State of the Union address in which Bush prepared the country for war—appeared to have been working for Iran all along.

Franklin needed to control the damage, and fast. He was one of the very few in the government who knew that it was the NSA code-breaking information that Chalabi was suspected of passing to Iran, and that there was absolute proof that Chalabi had met with a covert Iranian agent involved in operations against the U.S. To protect those in the Pentagon working for regime change in Tehran, Franklin needed to get out a simple message: We didn't know about Chalabi's secret dealings with Iran.

Franklin decided to leak the information to a friendly contact in the media: Adam Ciralsky, a CBS producer who had been fired from the CIA, allegedly for his close ties to Israel. On May 21st, the day after CBS broadcast its exclusive report on Chalabi, Franklin phoned Ciralsky and fed him the information. As the two men talked, eavesdroppers at the FBI's Washington field office recorded the conversation.

More at link...

How many Americans will NEVER know about this shit?
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 08:10 AM
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1. Why do you hate America?
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 08:13 AM
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4. Because I'm An Ammoral Godless Athiest That Hates Everything
Edited on Thu Jul-27-06 08:22 AM by DistressedAmerican
Good.

Why can I say? I'm just like that!
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 08:17 AM
Response to Reply #4
5. join the party.
me too.
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:54 AM
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38. Drinks on me, at Osama's homobortion pot'n'Commie jizzporium!
-nt-
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #38
61. But not 'til after the daily sex orgy/goat sacrifice.
I could use a drink to unwind after all the hard work of destroying heterosexual marriage and rejecting Christ.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 02:10 PM
Response to Reply #61
76. A pawty fo' da heathens!!
Laissez le bon temps roule!!! :woohoo: :toast: :party:



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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 07:06 PM
Response to Reply #76
90. Mai oui! Let me get my crinolines 'n heels
so as to kick 'em up good, high, and proper.
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StellaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 10:39 PM
Response to Reply #4
96. Hey, me, too!
Only I would add "cynical" to the adjectives.

:hi:
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #1
73. Why does the truth hate America? n/t
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 08:11 AM
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2. This is a DOOR BUSTER! Bush Goaded to War by IRANIAN SPY
Edited on Thu Jul-27-06 08:15 AM by bushmeat
just fix this one thing - should read Iran not Iraq in 3rd line
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 08:12 AM
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3. Oops. Fixing.
Bush can't tell them apart. Why should I? :evilgrin:
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 10:00 AM
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41. Bush's treason
Edited on Thu Jul-27-06 10:01 AM by EVDebs
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #3
79. "bush can't tell them apart. Why should I?"
:spray:
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 12:45 PM
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58. the M$M and the American Enterprise Institute will bury this story-bury it
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 01:01 PM
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62. Already working on a flash video detailing it for Huffingtonpost.
This is a story that should not be allowed to be buried. It is way too huge and way too damaging.

Just under 100 days til the election.

Sadly, you are quite right. This will not be reported. Two months from now suggesting such a thing will make you look like a nut.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 10:47 PM
Response to Reply #62
98. You really wanna have some fun, look into Ptech
Edited on Thu Jul-27-06 10:51 PM by EVDebs
now called GoAgile

A conservative website hoists them on their own petard

Dollars of terror
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17730

""Ptech is used primarily to develop enterprise blueprints at the highest level of US government and corporate infrastructure. These blueprints hold every important functional, operational, and technical detail of the enterprise. A secondary use of this powerful tool is to build other smart tools in a short period of time. Ptech’s clients in 2001 included the Department of Justice, the Department of Energy, Customs, Air Force, the White House, the FAA, IBM, Sysco, Aetna, and Motorola, to name just a few. ""

And just who IS Ptech anyway ? Working for the FAA, with wargames afoot on 9-11 no less:

""9/11 War Game Attribution Description

CIA / National Reconnaissance Office "plane into building" exercise
Associated Press, August 21, 2002 simulation of a plane crash into the NRO headquarters (near Dulles Airport, Virginia) - this was not a "terrorism" exercise but it did result in the evacuation of most NRO employees just as the "real" 9/11 was taking place, making it more difficult for the nation's spy satellites to be used to track the hijacked planes

Vigilant Guardian
Aviation Week & Space Technology, June 3, 2002, Newhouse News, others (these articles are reproduced below) The publicly available mass media articles about these exercises state that they were similar enough to the actual events that top NORAD personnel were confused, not sure if 9/11 was "part of the drill" or a real world event.

Vigilant Warrior
Richard Clark, "Against All Enemies" (March 2004) referenced by Richard Clark.

Northern Vigilance
Toronto Star, December 9, 2001 "Operation Northern Vigilance, planned months in advance, involves deploying fighter jets to locations in Alaska and northern Canada." This ensured that there would be fewer fighter planes available to protect the East Coast on 9/11. Simulated information was fed into radar screens - is this what confused the air defenses that morning?

Northern Guardian
Toronto Star, December 9, 2001 only mention was in the early edition of this article, no details publicly available (probably related to Northern Vigilance)

Tripod II
US Department of Justice and City of New York Rudolph Giuliani's testimony to the 9/11 Commission, May 2004 biowar exercise in New York City scheduled for September 12, 2001""

http://www.oilempire.us/wargames.html

How much did the FBI know about Ptech ?
http://cbs4boston.com/iteam/local_story_343145212.html

Cooperative Research on Ptech
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?id=1521846767-2254

Kinda makes the Dubai Ports fiasco pale in comparison, huh ?

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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 08:24 AM
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6. Is this a new article?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 08:26 AM
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7. It's on the Stone front page
so I assume yes, it's new.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 08:27 AM
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8. Current issue. Just out yesterday I think.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 11:20 AM
Response to Reply #8
47. Wow. The Rolling Stone is rocking lately.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 08:32 AM
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9. K&R!
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 08:35 AM
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10. BushCo screws everthing up, and endangers America
What a pack of dumb, AWOL screw ups the republicons are. The only thing they are good at is propaganda (paid for with taxpayer money) to make it "seem" as if they are wonderful. Excuse me while I blow chunks. Again. They are so bad for America
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 08:09 AM
Response to Reply #10
118. and you can bet the Corporate Media will be all over this story
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 08:37 AM
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11. I can only laugh
Since these fugging dumbos have been allowed to run the most powerful nation on earth, all of humanity is collectively fugged. Bushco is absolutely incompetent.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 08:38 AM
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12. I read this last night
what I don't get is why he is still involved with Iraq then??

Anybody get that?
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 08:40 AM
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13. But we still love him. Chalabi's our man! He's got the deep dirt on
the cabal to be able to be placed in positions of power AFTER he does this shit. Does he know the dirt on how the Bush Crime Family pulled off 9-11?
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 10:09 AM
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42. Guess what: Chalibi was an invited guest at the Bilderbergs' last bash
in Toronto, Hillary was another "guest: Go figure.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 12:19 PM
Response to Reply #42
53. Is that right??
Any other possible Dem presendential candidates??
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 01:43 PM
Response to Reply #53
72. Edwards was invited before his nomination. I believe that Warner was there
either this year or lasst year. Of course, we must also include Big Dawg, who made the list before being given the nod. His agreement to push NAFTA might have been the deciding factor in the tilt toward him.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #72
75. that is interesting
Wonder if Kerry was there two years ago?
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 03:07 PM
Response to Reply #75
81. I do not think that Boners need to go for an interview.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 08:40 AM
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14. It's Unbelievable You Have to Go to Rolling Stone
for real investigative journalism like this.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:37 AM
Response to Reply #14
27. Or Comedy Central
I concur with your assesment, and was thinging the same thing. It's outrageous that we have to go to a rock-n-roll trade magazine, or comedy shows, or scour the net, to get the real news.

-Hoot
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 10:17 AM
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45. I Forgot William Greider Used to be the National Affairs Editor for RS
He is way high in the journalisitic hierarchy in my opinion.

http://www.thenation.com/directory/bios/william_greider
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 02:47 AM
Response to Reply #27
109. ...and a TV chef:
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 08:42 AM
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15. Hello, Hello, "Journalists????"
You have to go to Rolling Stone or Comedy Central to get any non-Pravda style news!
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 08:50 AM
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16. Doesn't Chalabi still have a post in the Iraqi gov't?
and wasn't Valerie Plame working on Iranian intell before her cover was blown?

The perfect storm, thanks scotus for bush v gore.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 10:30 AM
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46. He was Deputy PM and oil minister until May 20th
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 01:10 AM
Response to Reply #16
104. Yes, Plame was working on nuclear proliferation in Iran (EOM)
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 08:53 AM
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17. Good post,
good thread, good article .... It isn't news, of course, to DUers who have participated in the infamous Plame Threads, and are aware that the neocon-AIPAC spy scandal is as closely related to the Plame scandal as leafs on a clover.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 08:54 AM
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18. And Yours On Plame Have Been SUPERIOR Posting.
Edited on Thu Jul-27-06 08:55 AM by DistressedAmerican
I understand the ins and outs because of your fine work!:applause:
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 03:48 PM
Response to Reply #18
84. Yes. Thank you for your wise analysis, H20 man!
I hear you, DA! H20man is an AWESOME teacher!:patriot:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 04:22 PM
Response to Reply #84
87. This man Bamford
is fantastic. I've made reference to his research, and to his ability to put the pieces of the puzzle together, throughout the Plame Threads.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 04:44 PM
Response to Reply #87
89. You can say that again.
Amazing read!
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:35 AM
Response to Reply #17
26. It isn't new to us but,
like JFK Jr's election fraud article, it is presenting all of this to a large number of people who so far have been completely oblivious to it.

I'm waiting for them to start attacking Rolling Stone.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:38 AM
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28. Great point.
Rolling Stone is a great vehicle for this message to be spread. James Bamford's books are among the very best available, but a lot of people are not familiar with his work. This article will help to change that.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:41 AM
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31. Young Crowd is Getting the Info
I'm sure the older crowd too.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:53 AM
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37. Right.
I like the part where he explains the media manipulation. Clearly, this is a story that the necroconservative shadow government doesn't want the public to know about. They have engaged in a perception management campaign to convince people that the AIPAC espionage case is an attack on the free press.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:57 AM
Response to Reply #37
40. And What's Worse for the Neo-Cons
is that their actions have not bared much fruit for their power brokers, I'm sure.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:02 AM
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19. Wow, still reading but this is really interesting so far. Matches up....
...with what I've read in the government's case against Franklin, at least so far.

PB
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:06 AM
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20. And As Usual Bush Runs Away!
http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/il05_emanuel/HypocrisyChalabi.html


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
JUNE 4, 2004


Emanuel Awards “Hypocrisy Moment of the Week”

CHICAGO, IL—U.S. Representative Rahm Emanuel (D-IL) named President George W. Bush’s claim of having only a casual relationship with Ahmed Chalabi as his “Hypocrisy Moment of the Week.”

When presenting the award Emanuel noted, “We’ve given Chalabi $40 million, and Bush doesn’t know who he is? Maybe if he was a Pioneer or a Ranger, he’d know the guy. As far as I can tell, the only thing Bush didn’t give Chalabi was a tax cut.”

Further illustrating the President’s hypocrisy, Emanuel referenced the photo of Chalabi standing behind First Lady Laura Bush as their personal guest during the State of the Union. (PHOTO BELOW ON LEFT)

Emanuel also presented a picture from the President’s Thanksgiving trip to Iraq which also calls Bush’s statement into question. In the photo, President Bush and Chalabi are posed smiling for the camera. (PHOTO BELOW ON RIGHT)

The controversy over the depth of Bush’s relationship with Chalabi erupted after a press conference on June 2nd when President Bush said:

“My meetings with him were very brief. I mean, I think I met with him at the State of the Union and just kind of working through the rope line, and he might have come with a group of leaders. But I haven't had any extensive conversations with him.”

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threadkillaz Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 02:54 AM
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112. una mas



Snookered.

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CraigHinTenn Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:10 AM
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21. I remember this guy( Chalabi)- He was sitting next to Laura Bush
during the state of the union in 2003- Boy did he take us for a ride! Just invade, don't worry about the post war stuff, he would take care of it. Geez...I'm glad this is finally coming out!
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The Cleaner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:13 AM
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22. Holey Moley!
Now that's news.

This administration went to war based only on a handful of evidence, hardly even that. Curveball, Chalabi, all these guys played the hell outta this admin.

But wow, for iran to play this in order to trick hte U.S. into installing an Iran-friendly government in there! So Iran won, we lost. So much for freedom spreading like wildfire.

I wonder what the next steps are now.
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tex-wyo-dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:16 AM
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23. Unreal...explains a lot though.
So, the PNAC boys got jobbed by the very country that they've had their eyes set on for a decade or better. Makes you wonder what Chalabi has on the cabal since he's still welcome to the WH and is still in a position of power in Iraq.
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:21 AM
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24. Hey it's Traditional in the region.
Invite Rome to send in a few legions to remove the Reigning Monarch and clear the path for your own ascension...

Seriously, are the *Co drones so stupid as to not understand this? OR were the Blinded by the Oil...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060727/ap_on_bi_ge/earns_exxon_mobil
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anarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 01:08 PM
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66. I'm thinking yes...and yes.
Also totally arrogant, in assuming that things would be different for their empire than for similar enterprises in the past. Because we're America, and God loves us or something like that. Gott Mit Uns, and so on.
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 01:15 PM
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68. Seriously, do you recall when Bremer that colossal idiot
Edited on Thu Jul-27-06 01:15 PM by genie_weenie
made two other huge mistakes?

The new Iraqi Flag which ignored the traditional Islamic Colors and adopted a flag which bore a uncanny likeness to that of Israel?


And the *Official* declaration that the second day of rest for the entire nation would be Saturday (in addition to Friday) and were surprised when the Imams and Sheiks were violently opposed to it?

Fuck, these two mistakes show a complete lack of understanding and belie the problems facing the troops over there today. Strategic mistakes which will make all the tactical victories meaningless.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:33 AM
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25. Is Iran really an enemy of the neocons?
One has to wonder...Iran/Contra and now this? I think there's more to this than meets the eye. We knew long before Iraq was invaded that their majority was Shia and Iran stood a chance of gaining control of the country. There can be no doubt the neocons knew that as well. Chalabi is now the Oil Minister in Iraq...under normal circumstances, if a spy is caught exposing our national security secrets, they'd be charged with treason, but not Chalabi. Why? What's really going on?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:42 AM
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32. Chalabi
can't be charged with treason by the US, because he is not a citizen.

There are segments within Iran that are clearly not enemies of the neocons. There are also forces that are able to exploit the neocons; the obvious example was how they played Ollie North for a fool in the 1980s.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 01:15 PM
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69. Well, I do realize he can't be charged
But it's interesting we've allowed him to remain in a position of power.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 01:56 AM
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105. And don't forget the 1980 October suprise fiasco
Or more accurately, it was the Reagan camp's campaign to ensure there would be no October surprise that would have been favorable to Carter. I believe Carter would have been re-elected if Poppy and William Casey hadn't conspired with Iran to delay release of the hostages until after the 1980 presidential election.

http://www.geocities.com/thereaganyears/1980election.htm

On January 20, 1981, twenty minutes after President Reagan's inaugural address, the 52 hostages were formally released into U.S. custody.

It was more favorable for Iran when Reagan took over the presidency. After all, you can't cheat an honest man. Carter is an honest man and Reagan was not.
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Nabia2004 Donating Member (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:56 AM
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39. Right, so why is Chalabi free or still alive?
I haven't red the article yet.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 02:04 AM
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106. That's a good question
He can't be charged with treason, but he can and should be hauled off to Gitmo for helping insurgents kill American soldiers.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:39 AM
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29. As If They Didn't Know
Edited on Thu Jul-27-06 09:40 AM by stepnw1f
he was a mole. Why do I think they were well aware? Maybe because it is hard to believe people in such high positions could be such a bunch of fuck-up fanatics.

I take it all back: They are fuck-up fanatics and have been wrong about EVERYTHING!
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:40 AM
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30. How hard is it to fool a f*cking chimpanzee!!!
MINDBLOWING.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:46 AM
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34. The 2005 edition
of James Bamford's "A Pretext for War," which has an expanded afterward, contains a lot of fascinating detail on this. It may be the single best book on the related intelligence scandals. He ties them back to some previous intel scandals, too. His description of "Mr. X" alone makes the book a great value.

Our country has been sold out by some evil people.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:44 AM
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33. The Office of Special Plans
The OSP at the Pentagon were total idiots. So was their boss...
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:49 AM
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35. The neocons are a bunch of narrow-minded...
treasonous, gutless, greedy, blood-thirsty, sadists who sold our country down a river and plunged the world into hell. May they all burn in hell for what they've done.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 10:09 AM
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43. Amen, Virginia Dare, Amen.
Edited on Thu Jul-27-06 10:09 AM by WinkyDink
Total traitors.
IF they've been played---and it's a big "if"---it's we Americans who have TRULY been played. Patriotism is an advertising word, nothing more, to Bush.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:50 AM
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36. Definitely Brewster-Jennings related. B-J was watching Iran so it is
said. Does the article lay out what happened at that point in time when Chalabi was found out and appeared to be on his way out, then all of a sudden he's back in good graces with an important position?

If yes, does someone remember the dates?

If yes, where does it fit in the timetable of the yellowcate trip, article, outing?

I would like to know if he favors one religious sect over another. Or his sect money, especially money taken from suckers or partners or sucker-partners.

He screwed the banks in Jordan and can't go there. What to you think think our George and Abdullah talk about when they meet?
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 11:46 AM
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49. I've been saying all along...
...that they destroyed Plame's work to keep Brewster Jennings from knowing what they were doing WRT Iran. It had nothing to do with Wilson's op ed.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 02:25 PM
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77. Definitely and even people here on DU fall in with corporate
network pundits to lock us into a revenge story with some extra lies built in.

If people on DU and other blogs don't make the connection, why would the corporate networks expose their partners?

I've been really disappointed in Dems who won't go after the B-J story... perhaps because there is so much to prove and not enough leakers?
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NobleCynic Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 03:43 PM
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83. Do you have some good links to the B-J connection
I'd like to take a look if you have some sites or articles to suggest.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 10:18 PM
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94. There is one that is excellent;, but I don't have time to find it - I
figured out that it got buried that last time I looked. I'll try, but enter Iran Khan Cheney Nuclear and you will find plenty, but not all of quality. I'll search again, but am tight on time right now.

Cheney is supposedly deep in trafficking of nuclear parts and technology.

He does business with Iran while fellow PNACers drum for war. That's the way it is with him. Rumsfeld, too.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 10:12 AM
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44. This would never have happened if they weren't predisposed ..
to going to war in the first place. It was their own greed and arrogance. Chalabi was a tool as far as they were concerned. They knew he was crooked but they were so over confident in our military and so greedy to get their hands on the oil they didn't stop to think anything would go wrong. They were warned. Any thinking person would have considered all the evidence the CIA was giving them and known better than stick their finger in this light socket.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 11:32 AM
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48. They didn't know! What kind of crap excuse is that? They didn't know.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 11:50 AM
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50. Bamford is a PATRIOT. Great article, Distressed American! Pure GOLD!
From RS:

The most glaring unindicted co-conspirator is Ahmed Chalabi. Even top-ranking Republicans suspect him of double dealing: "I wouldn't be surprised if he told Iranians facts, issues, whatever, that we did not want them to know," said Rep. Chris Shays, R-Conn., who chairs the House subcommittee on national security. Yet the FBI has been unable to so much as question Chalabi as part of its ongoing espionage case. Last November, when Chalabi returned to the United States for a series of speeches and media events, the FBI tried to interview him. But because he was under State Department protection during his visit, sources in the Justice Department say, the bureau's request was flatly denied.

“Chalabi's running around saying, ‘I have nothing to hide,’” says one senior FBI official. “Yet he's using our State Department to keep us from him at the same time. And we've got to keep our mouth shut.”

PSYCHOTIC KAKISTOCRAT
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 11:59 AM
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51. Printing to read
MAn Rolling Stone has really kicked it up a notch. Several great articles recently actually over the last few years.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 01:06 PM
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64. I would also suggest "The Men from Jinsa" The Nation Aguust 2002
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20020902/vest

Almost thirty years ago, a prominent group of neoconservative hawks found an effective vehicle for advocating their views via the Committee on the Present Danger, a group that fervently believed the United States was a hair away from being militarily surpassed by the Soviet Union, and whose raison d'être was strident advocacy of bigger military budgets, near-fanatical opposition to any form of arms control and zealous championing of a Likudnik Israel. Considered a marginal group in its nascent days during the Carter Administration, with the election of Ronald Reagan in 1980 CPD went from the margins to the center of power.


For example, the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board--chaired by JINSA/CSP adviser and former Reagan Administration Defense Department official Richard Perle, and stacked with advisers from both groups--recently made news by listening to a briefing that cast Saudi Arabia as an enemy to be brought to heel through a number of potential mechanisms, many of which mirror JINSA's recommendations, and which reflect the JINSA/CSP crowd's preoccupation with Egypt. (The final slide of the Defense Policy Board presentation proposed that "Grand Strategy for the Middle East" should concentrate on "Iraq as the tactical pivot, Saudi Arabia as the strategic pivot Egypt as the prize.") Ledeen has been leading the charge for regime change in Iran, while old comrades like Andrew Marshall and Harold Rhode in the Pentagon's Office of Net Assessment actively tinker with ways to re-engineer both the Iranian and Saudi governments. JINSA is also cheering the US military on as it tries to secure basing rights in the strategic Red Sea country of Eritrea, happily failing to mention that the once-promising secular regime of President Isaiais Afewerki continues to slide into the kind of repressive authoritarianism practiced by the "axis of evil" and its adjuncts.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 12:12 PM
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52. Chalabi reportedly learned that we had the Iranian encryption codes
from a very high-ranking U.S. official who divulged this information while drunk.

I have often wondered if this fact is one of Chalabi's guarantees of immunity. Whoever leaked this to Chalabi was guilty of a grave crime against the United States. Who was it? Is it out of the question that it was Bush himself? Such bragging would fit perfectly with his character. Or perhaps it was another key player, perhaps in the OSP.

Chalabi has a doctorate in mathematics from the University of Chicago. His specialty was "knot theory". And he played the neocons like a toy piano.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 12:27 PM
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54. I am pretty sure the article makes it clear it was Franklin...
anyhow that was my take when I read it last night.

Talk about stories with twists.

Jeez.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 12:31 PM
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55. Agreed.
Seems to heavily imply it was Franklin.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 12:31 PM
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56. Thanks.
Looking forward to reading it after work.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 12:40 PM
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57. Holy crap - this explains everything!
Were we duped into war? Was Chalabi the puppet master pulling the strings this entire time? Has this war been nothing but a sham? My conspiracy-theory loving head is seriously exploding from this information!
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 12:59 PM
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60. I Always Just Took Chalabi As An Opportunist.
I figured he'd use either side to get his own power. Sounds like it was much bigger than that.

Looking more and more like Iran sent Bush to war.

One of the historic "gettings over on" a US government in history.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 01:43 PM
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71. I seriously thought there was something fishy about that guy
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 12:57 PM
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59. Rolling Stone and Comedy Central
The world is fucking nuts when you have to rely on these sources for decent reporting and perspective. Thank God someone is awake at the wheel.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 01:07 PM
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65. I second that
RS has really been knocking it out of the park for most of the W disaster.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 03:52 PM
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85. So true!
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 01:02 PM
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63. One Positive. From The Article It Appears That The Neocons
are a small but powerful cabal in the administration. Unfortunately, Cheney and Rumsfeld are a part of the cabal.

A major purge within the administration could do a lot to move out foreign policy in a more sane direction, without removing the administration entirely, thus saving face for the GOP.


And yes, I see a purge coming. And I think it is going to be forced by the Military leadership, primarily Army and Marines.
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 01:09 PM
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67. By Far My 'Favorite' Part
The revelation shocked Franklin and other members of Feith's office. If true, the allegations meant that they had just launched a war to put into power an agent of their mortal enemy, Iran. Their man—the dissident leader who sat behind the first lady in the president's box during the State of the Union address in which Bush prepared the country for war—appeared to have been working for Iran all along..

Yes, you heard it correctly:

Their man—the dissident leader who sat behind the first lady in the president's box during the State of the Union address in which Bush prepared the country for war—appeared to have been working for Iran all along.

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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 01:28 PM
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70. Copy the article, make it a Doc or PDf and send
it to everyone.
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enid602 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 01:57 PM
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74. agents
Gee, maybe the rest of the WHIGS and neo-cons are Iranian agents, as well. that would explain a few things.
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 02:32 PM
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78. kicking
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 03:00 PM
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80. "what Chalabi has on the cabal"
Chalabi's team were the 1st non Military to enter Baghdad. His team grabed up two tons of Saddam Documents which were never secured by the US Govt.

CIA Tenet was exposing Chalabi then got fired by Busholni. There much more to this story than the RS article.
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 03:33 PM
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82. i love all the clips posted on this thread
Edited on Thu Jul-27-06 03:36 PM by faithnotgreed
as if it werent already a must read this truly gives you a glimpse into the staggering facts
though they really shouldnt be staggering
we knew from the get-go that this cabal was wretched but yikes - no matter the topic or amount of destruction they seek - they plumb the absolute depths
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 04:09 PM
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86. Tenet and the Chalabi affair
Tenet and the Chalabi affair

The growing insurgency in Iraq and the collapse of all the pretexts used to justify the war have sparked a series of vicious conflicts within the US national security apparatus. Tenet found himself under attack by Secretary of State Colin Powell for supplying false information in prewar intelligence estimates; at odds with Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld over responsibility for the torture at Abu Ghraib, where CIA and military interrogators abused prisoners; and in conflict with Vice President Cheney and an array of Pentagon civilian officials over the murky affair of Ahmed Chalabi.
Three weeks ago, Iraqi police, led by US security consultants from DynCorp and escorted by heavily armed US soldiers, carried out a raid against Chalabi’s home and office, allegedly searching for information linking some INC members to theft, embezzlement, kidnapping and murder. At the same time, intelligence officials in Washington revealed that Chalabi was under investigation for apparently revealing top-secret information to the fundamentalist regime in Iran, with which he has long had friendly relations.
Last week, the charges became more specific—and the atmosphere in Washington even more poisonous—as CIA officials detailed their allegations against Chalabi. The Iraqi leader had told the Iranians that the US government had broken the code for secret transmissions from Iranian agents in Baghdad to Tehran, they said. Moreover, the source of this leak was believed to be the Pentagon, and FBI counterespionage agents were interviewing the small number of Pentagon officials who had access to this highly compartmentalized information.

Chalabi and his defenders, such as Richard Perle, former chairman of the Pentagon’s advisory board and a leading neoconservative, charged that the CIA was seeking to destroy Chalabi because of the conflicts dating back to the mid-1990s. Now, in the Baghdad of 2004, old scores are being settled. Allawi, the CIA’s favorite, has just been named the prime minister of the new Iraqi government to which the US occupation authority will supposedly hand over sovereignty on June 30. Chalabi has been sent packing, as the Iraqi Governing Council, where he was installed by the US, has been dissolved, and he was given no post in the new regime.
If the nomination of Allawi and the disgrace of Chalabi were a victory for the CIA, Tenet’s departure shortly afterward suggests that the victory may have been pyrrhic—or that even more complex intrigues are underway in a Washington that more resembles the court of the Borgias or the Romanovs than the capital of a democratic republic.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/jun2004/tene-j07.shtml
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 04:40 PM
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88. No Honor Among Thieves
Chalabi's a snake no doubt about it and to think much of the intel about WMD coming from Iraq was supplied by INC plants in Iraq.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 08:08 PM
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91. Interesting about Michael Ledeen...
his father designed the air conditioning system for Disney Studios, and he grew up in a world surrounded by fantasy. As "Washington's neoconservative guru" his fantasy-world politics seem to have infected US foreign policy.

Also, how does Chalabi benefit from being a double-agent, other than profits from both sides? He is enabling the conspiracy toward war that both sides want: neocons and Shia, including aiding the killing of American soldiers.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 08:47 PM
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92. It IS a small world, after all.
And Chalabi is a master of profiting from chaos. He reaps the maximum amount of treasure and power wherever he can.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:16 PM
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93. He Was Set To Be The Hand Picked Leader Of Iraq.
Edited on Thu Jul-27-06 09:17 PM by DistressedAmerican
A puppet for Iran installed by the US.

Didn't work out.

Now he's just the Iraqi Oil Minister!
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 10:37 PM
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95. "We are getting some extremely valuable information.....
from a whole range of Iraqi groups, including Mr. Chalabi's," said Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz.


ever hear what happened to those polygraphs from 2004, WRT Chalabi?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/20/iraq/main618637.shtml
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 10:54 PM
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99. you all know Robert Baer...his career was ruined by his work with Chalabi:
http://zfacts.com/p/152.html

he himself was forced to take polygraphs regarding his involvement with Chalabi in an apparently phony assassination plot against Saddam

this was in 1995, and, as a result, Chalabi was revealed here, at the LATEST, to be a phony, clearly having illicit ties to Iran

what happened? Baer had his career effectively ended by those who were backing Chalabi. note that this was during the Clinton admin.

wonder WTF was going on back then....

is any of this in the WSWS article linked above?
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aaronbees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 10:45 PM
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97. Superior reporting....
Isn't it nice to see this in ... Rolling Stone? That's reaching a key audience. Bamford really lays it all bare for us ... great work. BushCo getting played by an Iranian operative; amazing but really, is it surprising? I think not. In some insane way they all work so well with each other, and that's supremely disgusting.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 10:56 PM
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100. and are we seeing Bamford on TV at all?
Coulter was on for two complete shows in two days...OK, only about 2/3 of Tweety's show today, and all of Donny Deutsch's yesterday

I'd love to see the two of them duke it out for a chance to spend some quality time with her.
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aaronbees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 11:19 PM
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101. Coulter keeps...
the people pacified with their hatreds; I'm convinced that's a big part of her appeal, at least according to the TV-land dittoheads.

I'd love to see a no-holds barred smackdown between the two of them. Bamford would wipe that smirk right off her sick face. But, frankly, he's too "dangerous" to get on TV; I'd be surprised to see him there, but we can always hope.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 11:58 PM
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103. it's not going to happen, but that wasn't my point. I could have named
fifty other writers, progressive voices, etc., who have rarely, if ever, been on TV, which is the medium by which most news consumers "inform" themselves

snakeoil salesmen like her and the myriad others who infest the airwaves are the reason most people are so benighted

I read/heard the other day that 80% of the talking heads on TV who have discernable leanings a RWers. I'd like to see the numbers behind that, but that certainly reflects the attitudes displayed by even the socalled unbiased purveyors of news and opinion
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 02:39 AM
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108. Here's something that might interest you
Sunday-morning talk shows still imbalanced

Summary: In Media Matters' third examination of guest appearances on ABC's This Week, CBS' Face the Nation, and NBC's Meet the Press, research demonstrated that Republicans and conservatives outnumbered Democrats and progressives from April to June of 2006.











http://mediamatters.org/items/200607200006

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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 02:49 AM
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110. but but but...Bill OReilly says that's a left wing SMEAR site!
they go overboard on the "neutrality" bit, too, based on what I've read in the past, calling people who are obviously right-oriented 'neutral,' just to be safe, I'd guess

and isn't it interesting that the ONLY show that had more dems on (politicians, of course), was MTP, which is notorious for the hatchet jobs vs. love fests he perpetrates on dems/pugs, respectively

thanks for that

David Brock really is trying to make up for the HUGE, Gigantic role he played in putting this fascist regime in place. I wonder how well he sleeps at night. I'm not angry with him, BTW, just wondering how much it eats at him, knowing just how responsible he is for all this. His site is very valuable in combatting the almost complete hegemony of fascist propaganda being spread, but......

I don't know if I can ever forgive him for what he's done over the years, even though he's working harder at fighting the fight than just about anybody
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 03:17 AM
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113. I had the same thought about Tim Potatohead
I figure he just wanted to try to crucify a lot of Democrats on his show during that period. But he must have been in a mood to fawn over Republicans during the previous quarter.

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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 03:25 AM
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114. out of all the wingnut "journalists," I think he's the most dangerous
to democracy (what tiny thread still exists), because, for whatever reason, he maintains the cachet of objectivity, even among LOTS of dem politicians (!?!), and is probably the most influential TV talking head



"Integrity is for PAUPERS!"
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 11:51 PM
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102. Even crazier - read Top Ten Conservative Idiots #158
Edited on Thu Jul-27-06 11:52 PM by EOO
This was in 2004 - it mentions that Chalabi passed information that he learned to the Iranians that he recieved from "the White House Mystery drunk". This was after he shot six people in the head execution style his first week on the job.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/04/158.html
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 02:32 AM
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107. K & R
:kick: Gotta read the whole thing tomorrow. :kick:
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 02:53 AM
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111. *snort*
:rofl:
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mdelaguna2000 Donating Member (300 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 05:18 AM
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115. Holy crap - we need to thank Rolling Stone Mag
I must buy this issue off the shelf to support them, at the minumum. Just when you think you are past the point of being shocked.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 05:24 AM
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116. RIGHT! Blew Me Away!
Bush and the whole country by extention duped into a bloody war to make Iran the regional powerhouse. Stunning facts.

Definitely buying a copy. May be the biggest buried news of he past 6 years!
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 06:19 AM
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117. All an outgrowth of the Revolution of 2000
the US government was overthrown in 2000 with this type thing and others as the purpose. We live under a revolutionary government with policy made by the lunatic fringe. The United States as well as the rest of the world remain in grave danger from these wingnuts.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 08:11 AM
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119. Thanks! Amazing article
While reading the whole article, I just had this sinking feeling that it gets worse and worse.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 04:00 PM
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120. pretty discouraging, eh? and where is the M$M coverage?
don't bother asking
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 04:02 PM
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121. Which Democrats with media access are talking about it on TV?
don't bother asking
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