Israel MIHOP "the soldier kidnappings"

[gWbush is Mabus]

Hi everyone, I've been away from DU for awhile.

Has there been any talk about Israel staging the kidnappings as a reason to invade Lebanon > Syria > Iran?

I really appreciate the skeptics who are willing to question EVERYTHING we hear from our government and the MSM. Thanks guys!

[ananda]

1. I believe Hezbollah has the soldiers..

.. because they said so, and that they were willing to use them as bargaining chips in an effort to get Israel to return the innocents imprisoned since 2000.

[DireStrike]

2. Unless hezbollah works for Israel...

yeah, I really doubt it.

[wakeme2008]

3. IT was about the Nov elections -- Israel's PM and others

meet with Rummy and Cheney one month before they started their attack

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2735918

[sabbat hunter]

5. israel

just had elections. no new ones for 4 years.

[Fredda Weinberg]

7. You gotta understand our wingnuts - they think it's about OUR election n/t

[wakeme2008]

10. Our Nov election....

War in Iran and Syria...

[bryant69]

4. Yes I really appreciate people who take as their starting point

The government is made up of bastards and that's all the proof we need.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[WinkyDink]

6. Please.

[Syncronaut Seven]

8. The logic is simple

Israel wanted war, Invasion was a foregone conclusion even before the kidnappings. The US had already given blessings and pledged military support.

All they needed was an excuse.

Anyone think Israel planned this invasion without US support? Perhaps then you should consider the possibility that Mossad is a psycotic parent who daily jepordizes the future of ALL the worlds children.

Get it yet?

[meganmonkey]

11. This has been planned for AT LEAST a year - LINK

Yep - this was in the works for a long time....


Israel set war plan more than a year ago
Strategy was put in motion as Hezbollah began increasing its military strength
Matthew Kalman, Chronicle Foreign Service

Friday, July 21, 2006

(07-21) 04:00 PDT Jerusalem -- Israel's military response by air, land and sea to what it considered a provocation last week by Hezbollah militants is unfolding according to a plan finalized more than a year ago.

In the years since Israel ended its military occupation of southern Lebanon, it watched warily as Hezbollah built up its military presence in the region. When Hezbollah militants kidnapped two Israeli soldiers last week, the Israeli military was ready to react almost instantly.

"Of all of Israel's wars since 1948, this was the one for which Israel was most prepared," said Gerald Steinberg, professor of political science at Bar-Ilan University. "In a sense, the preparation began in May 2000, immediately after the Israeli withdrawal, when it became clear the international community was not going to prevent Hezbollah from stockpiling missiles and attacking Israel. By 2004, the military campaign scheduled to last about three weeks that we're seeing now had already been blocked out and, in the last year or two, it's been simulated and rehearsed across the board."

More than a year ago, a senior Israeli army officer began giving PowerPoint presentations, on an off-the-record basis, to U.S. and other diplomats, journalists and think tanks, setting out the plan for the current operation in revealing detail. Under the ground rules of the briefings, the officer could not be identified.

In his talks, the officer described a three-week campaign: The first week concentrated on destroying Hezbollah's heavier long-range missiles, bombing its command-and-control centers, and disrupting transportation and communication arteries. In the second week, the focus shifted to attacks on individual sites of rocket launchers or weapons stores. In the third week, ground forces in large numbers would be introduced, but only in order to knock out targets discovered during reconnaissance missions as the campaign unfolded. There was no plan, according to this scenario, to reoccupy southern Lebanon on a long-term basis.

more...
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/07/21/MIDEAST.TMP

[malaise]

9. I no longer kow what to believe

but given these planned events in Lebanon, I am absolutely sure that the Syrians did not kill Rafik Hariri. The US and Israel wanted Syria out of Lebanon so that they could invade the country. It was too neat and all those colourful flags waving in the square looked as orchestrated as the flags of those so caleld velvet revolutions.

Everything I read, watch and hear tells me that the US, Britain and Zionists are responsible for most of the chaos in the ME.

[frankieT]

12. no you can't see conspiracies everywhere

A big part of Lebanon wanted Syria outside. BTW, Hariri wasn't so opposed to Syria, he got very good relations with them.

[malaise]

18. That was my

point. He had good relations with them.

[yurbud]

13. story is already out they were waiting for a provocation to put this plan

in action.

[Renew Deal]

14. Hizbollah claims to have the soldiers

Are they in on the conspiracy or did they just want a fight?

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

15. IT WAS MOSSAD!!!11!!11!!1111

MOSSAD ATE MY BABY AND KILLED JESUS!1!11

[Balbus]

16. Them filthy Jews are cunning, but they can't pull one over on you.

Go get 'em tiger.

[SOS]

17. Looking back....

The sinking of the USS Maine - Spanish American War
The Gleiwicz incident - World War 2
The Gulf of Tonkin attack - Vietnam
Iraq's "WMD" - Bush War in Iraq.

History has revealed that all four of these major wars were launched based on a fabricated or falsely reported incident.
We'll have to wait twenty years to get all the facts.

[ButterflyBlood]

19. Hezbollah must be a front for Israel then

Because they claim to have the soldiers.

Iran must be controlled by Israel too then, because Hezbollah has talked about moving the soldiers there.

[hang a left]

20. You don't think it is possible that Hezbollah could have

been penetrated by agents of foreign governments?? I think it is highly possible.

[ButterflyBlood]

22. By Jews? Uh, no.

That's about as logical as white supremicists penetrating the Black Panthers.

[hang a left]

23. Do you think all Mossad or CIA agents are Jews?

Why would someone NOT want to place assets within Hezbollah? You are either naive or something else.

[ButterflyBlood]

24. What you are basically saying is

That it's possible for a group created for the purpose of the destruction of one nation to be infiltrated and taken over by that nation to the point where it is a puppet and acts as a proxy for them. Now thinking that is even possible is naive. This is basically akin to Britain taking over the IRA, and then having the IRA carrying out attacks in Argentina after their seized the Falklands.

[hang a left]

25. I think the reason for infiltration would be to gain intelligence.

Think Osama.

[ButterflyBlood]

34. I don't know what this has to do with Osama but....

Of course nations have always had informants in terrorist groups to gain info (and Britain did within the IRA), but the claim here is that Israel has infiltrated Hezbollah so deeply they can now use them as a puppet as in this case claiming to have kidnapped soldiers. For a group that's purpose is to destroy a nation, the idea that nation can eventually take them over is rather asinine and beyond the level of standard tinfoil nutiness. This also means that wacko Sheik leader is on Mossad's payroll, which I highly doubt. Of course, I've heard DUers claim the Iranian President is on the CIA's payroll before, so who knows to what depths the nutiness goes.

[CJCRANE]

28. ME jews and arabs

are virtually racially identical so it's not beyond the bounds of possibility.

However, I don't think there was infiltration in this case. Hezbollah did what they've been doing for years (kidnappings here and there), however this time the Israeli govt decided that they'd use it as casus belli.

[Homer Wells]

21. Is there any PROOF that these "kidnapped"

soldiers are even alive..or that there even are any kidnapped soldiers?
Just curious....

[in_cog_ni_to]

26. OHFERCRYINGOUTLOUD! HEZBOLLAH has admitted they have them!

Damn. Anything to make Israel out to be the bad guys here, when this all falls at the feet of Hezbollah. Unbelievable.

[librechik]

27. I heard the IDF went into Lebanon on a sortie, during which the soldiers

were taken. During the same mission the Israelis "kidnapped" 2 civilians.

Seems like this could be viewed as a mutual provocation, at least.

[Behind the Aegis]

29. You are mixing up your areas.

[librechik]

31. explain?

[Behind the Aegis]

32. OK

You said: "I heard the IDF went into Lebanon on a sortie, during which the soldiers were taken. During the same mission the Israelis "kidnapped" 2 civilians. Seems like this could be viewed as a mutual provocation, at least."

The northern campaign (Lebanon) was initiated when Hizb'allah crossed the Blue Line and engaged the IDF. Three soldiers were killed, two were taken. The Southern campaign (Gaza) was initiated when terrorists of three different groups crossed into Israel, and attacked an outpost, killing two IDF and taking one. The day before the Gaza attack, the IDF arrested two people in Gaza for suspected terrorist activity. Some are trying to make this out to be the reason for the attack on Israel by Gaza. However, the attack came from an underground tunnel, not a cross-border raid, as with Hizb'allah. Therefore, the terrorists that attacked Israel near Gaza did not do so because of the arrests. Also, their demands have never included those two, nor their proclamations declaring that was the reason for the attack.

Basically, you merged the two incursions into Israel.

[librechik]

33. thanks for the excellent details

I was getting things mixed up--

after 20 years of tit for tat violence, who's at fault gets too blurry to judge-- it's all a disgusting clusterfuck from the Death Religions and the War Party.

Screw them both. (with all due respect)

[Behind the Aegis]

30. .

:eyes:

[The Magistrate]

35. Locking

Flame-Bait.