PHOTOS from Lebanon: Does burning children bring peace?

[yurbud]

I've attached a couple of the PG ones. Others show guys who have literally had their arms blown off in the airport bombing, people who look like half their body went into a wood chipper, and organs hanging from charred slabs of flesh.

Any chance the people in Lebanon would forget this kind of thing sooner than we or the Israelis would?

Bush would like to use this to broaden out the conflict and incite Iran to attack us, or just plain go after Iran and/or Syria.

We would be doing more of this ourselves (we are already doing it in Iraq), and though the United States has never been in any danger of being invaded or occupied for at least 150 years, we could be hit like this by terrorists if we attack Iran or by a couple of nukes if we hit Russia.

The United States can win any war we start in conventional terms, but this is the cost.

Oh, and our tax dollars, soldiers lives, and reputation in the world. What exactly is it the oil companies are giving us in return?

http://www.uruknet.info/?p=24885

[Renew Deal]

1. Photos from Israel: Does burning children bring peace?

http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/bushbeat/archive/images/baghdad-bus-bombing-aug17,--thumb.jpg

[Tyler Durden]

3. See post #2

an eye for an eye makes everyone blind.

Not talking to groups because you don't like them is distinctly Israeli and American...

and distinctly arrogant.

[yurbud]

10. Do you expect other people to feel any differently than Israelis do?

Do you think you can kill enough people to cow them?

That worked with Germany and Japan in World War II in part because they were deathly afraid of Russia occupying them instead of us.

Also, they probably grudgingly knew they were the aggressors.

Israel is the overwhelming military giant in the Middle East and the only nuclear power.

[yurbud]

14. did you even read my original post?

[TahitiNut]

15. You know, that's pretty remarkable, Bleachers7

I'm noticing a pretty consistent theme here on DU. Some DUers post depictions of the human suffering and death taking place in the Middle East as support for a call for cessation of the violence and carnage. I then see others (in the spirit of being "fair and balanced" of course) post depictions of more human suffering and death taking place in the Middle East ... apparently arguing for an order-of-magnitude increase in violence and carnage.

When the 'problem' is human suffering, dismemberment, and death, I fail to see how anyone can claim that an order of magnitude increase in human suffering, dismemberment, and death is any kind of 'solution.'

:shrug: Whatever floats your boat, I guess.

[Renew Deal]

18. I'm not suggesting it's a solution.

Just like many hear want to act like the evil terrorist jews are completely wrong and Hizbollah is fighting the good fight, I am reminding people that there's a long history here.

Obviously this conflict is a tragedy, but both parties are guilty. Hizbollah is launching rockets into residential neighborhoods. How many posts are there on DU denouncing that?

[The Stranger]

24. Many DUers are upset because their U.S. tax dollars are paying Israel to

murder the Lebanese children, and Lebanese children are being murdered with U.S. weapons supplied to Israel.

The rest of it you have appeared to insert into the discussion yourself.

[The Magistrate]

42. Members Of This Forum, Sir

Are upset over a great many different things, and have every right to express their views on any question, within the boundaries of the forum rules.

[The Stranger]

47. Huh?

Is this in response to my post?

[SammyBlue]

51. Excuse me, so Lebanese children been killed means more to you

Jewish children? All because of FUCKING TAX DOLLARS INVOLVED!?!?!?!

So much for all life being precious, huh?

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[QuestionAll...]

30. I absolutely refuse to play that game.

being forced to 'condemn' and 'denounce' Hizbollah and 'support Israels right to defend itself' in every thread of this topic or one is suspected of being 'that word'.

Some things are god damned givens and I don't need to mantra it to death to please anyone.

ratio of deaths: Lebanese vs. Israel is about 10 to 1, last I heard.
prolly close enough to the ratio of denouncements here, so sounds pretty representative to me.

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[The Stranger]

23. Bingo.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[TahitiNut]

25. Thanks. The obvious often hides in plain sight.

We spend so much time looking for the hidden and complex that we often miss the obvious and simple.

[earthside]

2. "Flatten" Them

A member of the Israeli cabinet says there should be a lot more of what is pictured above ... and if they are in south Lebanon, they deserve what they get.

This is the ethnic cleansing of south Lebanon by Israel.

And the United States is standing by and doing nothing.

Israel Says World Backs Offensive | BBC

"(Israeli Jusice Minister Haim Ramon) said that in order to prevent casualties among Israeli soldiers battling Hezbollah militants in southern Lebanon, villages should be flattened by the Israeli air force before ground troops moved in.

He added that Israel had given the civilians of southern Lebanon ample time to quit the area and therefore anyone still remaining there could be considered a Hezbollah supporter."

More at my web site: www.Earthside.com

[malaise]

4. Can you imagine if a foreign government

told you to get out of your home and out of your community because they intend to flatten it. I would not move.

[Jim__]

8. Especially if you know they are attacking the people that try to evacuate.

[TahitiNut]

5. (Hmmm) So, I guess anyone who remained in New Orleans was

... a Katrina supporter. I guess the UN Observers were Hizb'allah supporters. Mr. Ramon is truly and completely disconnected from reality.

[malaise]

9. No that's Condireality

Buscho reality. Kill, kill, kill - it's birth pangs not the death rattle.
sp.

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[TahitiNut]

21. Don't even try going there.

As a Viet Nam veteran, I have more comprehension of war in my little toe than most will ever have in their entire condescending carcasses. I don't need some REMF tutoring me in the realities of war! The obscenely insane presumption that people just climb into their family sedans and drive along the most convenient autobahn to check into a Hyatt and get out of harm's way betrays a total and complete absence of intellectual honesty and contact with reality. At least hurricane Katrina didn't bomb the roadways and airports. At least hurricane Katrina was known many days in advance.

Blaming the victims is the lowest kind of moral cowardice!

You say, "Israel should blow up every town within 12 miles of its border."

Fine. As long as it's SOUTH of the border, they have my blessing. :puke:

[IA_Seth]

29. MS Liberal huh?

Thanks for the lessons in the "rules of war by MS Liberal" but it is YOU that are sadly mistaken. This is a war against an ideology and hence it cannot be "won".

So you "blow up" every town within 12 miles...then what. Do you honestly think that by destroying civilians you will stop terrorism or hatred? Hezbollah will be pushed back, but for every civilian they kill, they recruit an exponentially greater number of Lebanese to the cause.

[Renew Deal]

6. It's not ethnic cleansing

It's a military conflict. Two enemies are fighting. It's not much more difficult than that.

[yurbud]

11. so Israel was attacked by the Lebanese military and is responding by

hitting military targets like the UN compound they bombed all day yesterday even as the people there called them to tell them who they were?

[Renew Deal]

13. No

Israel was attacked by modern day barbarians in Lebanon and they probably bombed the UN intentionally.

[SammyBlue]

59. Hal Turner says the same thing.

You sound like him. Care to venture to his website and see. I'm beginning to notice alot of parallels between anti-Israel and neo nazi speech.

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[Selatius]

7. Israel was completely wrong in targeting civilian infrastructure

If they had only gone after Hezbollah positions directly rather than blowing up civilian infrastructure, I would say far fewer civilians would've been slaughtered by IAF bombs. I'm not excusing what Hezbollah has done by saying this, either.

[MS Liberal]

16. These people love Hezbollah!!

What part of that do you not understand. Not all but most of the people support Hezbollah. Since you can't tell who is who, everything must go. It is called overwhelming force. That is the way to win a war. If you are not willing to kill the enemy even when he is hiding behind noncombatants, you can't win the war.

[LSK]

17. NOBODY WINS A WAR

THEY ARE FUCKING CHILDREN. YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THEM.

:grr: :grr: :grr:

[MS Liberal]

19. True

War is hell. Innocent people die in war. It is unrealistic to think otherwise.

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[CuteNFuzzy]

22. shocking statement isn't it

unbelievable the excuses you hear

[TahitiNut]

26. Yep. Somebody's in the throes of a wargasm.

Sadly, I doubt they're the last throes. :shrug:

[QuestionAll...]

40. and the post is still there, but my anger at it has been erased.

that's a bit shocking as well.

guess I have to do some acclimatizing around here. I think if I said Fuck That Noise, it would have stayed, but I made it personal by using the 3 letter word instead. Live and learn.

[Selatius]

27. MOST PEOPLE DIDN'T SUPPORT Hezbollah up until this war!!!

They hold a small minority in the Lebanese Parliament, but nutjobs who don't know shit about the Lebanese assume that means everybody endorsed them, but they didn't.

If you keep bombing Lebanese infrastructure without regard to civilians, you will force them to fight on the same side of Hezbollah not because they support Hezbollah but because they hate you for blowing up their homes and killing members of their family.

If you keep killing civilians, you will only make more enemies for yourself, and you will have the rest of Lebanon to worry about instead of just Hezbollah fanatics. A bereaved family member who lost members of his family under your bombs is just as fanatical a fighter as a Hezbollah "true-believer."

[jayfish]

28. That Sounds Like Saddam Hussein's Justification For...

his brutal suppression of the Shia uprising of 1991. You know, the uprising that filled up all the mass-graves we've found so far. The uprising that gave birth to the no-fly zone. The one he's on trial for... I suppose your ok with that to.

Jay

[yurbud]

35. why do you suppose they support Hezbollah after last Israeli invasion &

occupation, the one that was supposed to get rid of the PLO?

Do other people have NO legitimate greivances? And is Israel the only nation ever justified in using force?

[mom cat]

49. Of course not. The other nation that can use force is the US!

[yurbud]

53. that's right, and anybody else try it and we gon' haf to git a rope...

[mom cat]

61. Or a nuke!

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[Phillycat]

44. Huh. Where did you come from? nt

[SammyBlue]

58. You just said exactly what Neo Nazis say

Here it is word for word from a neo nazi radio talk show host's website:

You Israel bashers say, "The Israels are targetting infrastructure and not caring." Hal Turner says: "ISRAEL ATTACKS RED CROSS AMBULANCES! Two Ambulances fired on says Red Cross. Once again, the Jews prove they are barbaric terrorists who respect nothing!"

[bdamomma]

31. how dare we unleash all this death and violence

those bombs are sent by the US.

[TahitiNut]

33. If it's profitable, it must be right.

After all, who can argue with the Holy Laws of the "free market"?? :puke:

[Jim Warren]

36. What it always comes down to,

follow the money. Power and the dogs of war are close by at heel.

[TahitiNut]

43. The people doing the profiting aren't the ones doing the dying.

Ike warned us. :shrug:

[blues90]

34. IT's all horrible

Any country who's leaders or people support killing as a way to solve any issue are sick minded and have no excuse they can offer for diong this , I could care less who started the killing or how damn long their history goes back depicting acts of war this just shows how ignorent any country is when it comes to solving issues , it show how barbaric they are and how little they have learned after years and years of murder and destruction .

War never solves a thing , it is a temporary venting of some sort of deep seeded hate where in all cases it is the common people who always pay the price . The leaders if they can call themselves this remain out of harms way and have their family safe in their grand enormous luxury compounds whether it is a palace or castle or the whitehouse , they sit back as if this is a game of chess and the people are unfeeling carvings of wood or ivory that are expendable .

If these so called leaders had to fight eachother one on one and face the possibility of lost limbs or death then we would have no more wars ever .

People of all nations who feel that history reserves them the right to kill simply because their past dipicts their historic rage of death are sick minded . These people they kill today have absolutely nothing to do with their murderous past , it is the year 2006 , most of the dead are children or young adults and women , what have they done that their price should be death and devastation ? The people here or anywhere else ask yourselves this question before you run off to defend some barbaric artical from the past . When you defend these horrors for whatever reason , then you too are a murderer do yoy know that , a murderer without conscience .

[yurbud]

37. WARNING: EXTREMELY GRAPHIC PHOTOS!!!

moderator wanted me to warn people, but the editing period has expired.

Since this was done on our dime, anybody that wants to be offended by this doesn't have the right to bitch though.

You paid for the show. Watch it.

[bleedingheart]

39. Our tax dollars at work...

War sickens me.

It benefits the rich and the powerful.

The rich dupe the "patriotic" into fighting and dying for an "idea of freedom" or "democracy" or "peace" or just plain "revenge".

In the end, the ones who suffer are those dupes and those innocents who were used.

I don't know the answers but I do know that Jewish and Arab people have lived side by side with one another in the past and that it is possible for peace to exist. If as much effort were put into making a lasting peace and into creating a brilliant future...as there is in waging war...this world would be a wonderful place.

[Tom Joad]

45. Damn straight! and damn tragic! Let's end US support for military aid to

Israel.
Let's stop the Lobby for war.
http://www.stopaipac.org
Stop AIPAC!

[SammyBlue]

52. Yes. . .let's do that as Democrats, and we can kiss off a very

powerful and wealthy voting block that went to us 82 - 18 last election cycle!

Smart. . .very smart. Thank G-d you're not in the DNC.

[elana i am]

50. UNICEF

My first post here has to be a reply. UNICEF has set up a special webpage to donate directly to a fund to help Lebanese children.

[DisgustedTX]

56. Why of course! Israel IS ALWAYS CORRECT!

:sarcasm:

[SammyBlue]

57. Eh. . .Hezbollah's only killing Jews. Who cares?

Jewish blood is cheap. . .always has been in the eyes of the western world, always will be.

Ask the Holocaust survivors after 1945 how many countries would take them in. ANSWER: ZERO!!!

[pinto]

62. Locking.

We feel this is enough here. A good number of PA's and personal sniping subthread's have been deleted. We're locking. Thanks.