When Bush says "fake peace", it's code.

[Rose Siding]

He's talking to the crackpots. July 27, 2006; Page A1-

Last week, as Israel's armed forces pounded Lebanon and worries of a wider conflagration mounted, Mr. Hagee presided over what he called a "miracle of God": a gathering of 3,500 evangelical Christians packed into a Washington hotel to cheer Israel and its current military campaign.

Standing on a stage bedecked with a huge Israeli flag, Mr. Hagee drew rapturous applause and shouts of "amen" as he hailed Israel for doing God's work in a "war of good versus evil." Calls for Israel to show restraint violate "God's foreign-policy statement" toward Jews, he said, citing a verse from the Old Testament that promises to "bless those who bless you" and curse "the one who curses you."
...
President Bush sent a message to the gathering praising Mr. Hagee and his supporters for "spreading the hope of God's love and the universal gift of freedom."
...
"This is a religious war that Islam cannot -- and must not -- win," Mr. Hagee wrote in a recent book, "Jerusalem Countdown," which focuses on what he says is a coming nuclear showdown with Iran....

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB115396305776618640-lMyQjAxMDE2NTIzNzkyNjczWj.html

Google: prophecy "false peace"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=prophecy+%22false+peace%22&btnG=Search

[partylessinOhio]

1. Good catch! It is code talk. This is what the founders tried to protect

us from - religious nuts taking over our government.

When will America awaken? We must separate church and state or we will not survive.

[waiting for hope]

2. Better yet - try I'm Feeling Lucky

http://www.raptureready.com/rr-eu.html

Uuggh, all of this make me ill - if these people are so ready for the so called "Rapture" ..which by the way is not in the bible - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture#Varying_views - then why don't they all just go over to the middle east and do their part in bringing the second coming? Like, it's somewhat lazy isn't it to just "to cheer Israel and its current military campaign" ??

[midnight]

31. I've heard people talk about end times.

Is that the same thing as rapture? Bible people have told me that end times is in the Bible. Being a good Catholic I wouldn't know that. Besides my father let me off the hook by not knowing scripture so well that I could quote it by telling me that the Devil can quote the Bible.

[PaDem]

32. definitely is in the Bible (eom)

***

[blonndee]

3. You're right!

I hadn't caught that. But this, as well as Condi's "birth pangs" comment, are without a DOUBT, codetalking.

[Rose Siding]

13. It's too coincidental- especially combined with Condi's words

-as you noted.

[bdamomma]

4. these people are a dangerous cult

bush is a very dangerous man.

[ananda]

5. egads, 50m of em??!!

"Christian evangelicals, who first found political traction under President Reagan in the 1980s, now number about 50 million and form a bedrock constituency for President Bush. Best known for their lobbying against abortion, same-sex marriage and on other domestic issues, they have also taken a keen interest in foreign policy, especially since the attacks of 9/11."

God, I can't believe there are that many of them. The mind boggles!

[Ysabel]

7. false numbers too...

just like they rigged the election they claim to have more members than they actually do...

[patrice]

6. Lord help us!! n/t

[norml]

8. Evangelicals unite for Israel

Evangelicals unite for Israel
7/26/2006 9:00:00 PM GMT


While the Lebanese are fighting for survival amidst relentless deadly attacks by Israel, the Jewish State is receiving strong encouragement and support from an unusual source; Evangelical Christians.

Thousands of evangelical Christians converged on Washington last week to urge lawmakers back Israel, currently engaged in an unjustified offensive that’s killed scores of civilians in Lebanon and Palestine, and declaring their unwavering support for the Jewish State.

More than 3,000 Christians flocked to Washington and are staying at their own expense to ask Bush’s admin "not to restrain Israel in any way in the pursuit of Hamas and Hezbollah", as part of the first annual summit of Christians United for Israel, the founder of the group said.

(C.U.F.I.) Christians United for Israel, which seeks to become the Christian equivalent of the influential Jewish lobby, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, aims at providing a national association through which every pro-Israel church; Para-church organization; ministry or individual in America can speak and act with one voice in support of Israel.

Delegates from all 50 states attended a banquet on Tuesday and heard speakers including Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.); Israel’s ambassador to the United States, Daniel Ayalon; Sen. Sam Brownback (R-Kan.); and Ken Mehlman, chairman of the Republican National Committee.


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http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=11760

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1739846&mesg_id=1739846

[theHandpuppet]

9. Just another Leviticus Christian

Standing on a stage bedecked with a huge Israeli flag, Mr. Hagee drew rapturous applause and shouts of "amen" as he hailed Israel for doing God's work in a "war of good versus evil." Calls for Israel to show restraint violate "God's foreign-policy statement" toward Jews, he said, citing a verse from the Old Testament that promises to "bless those who bless you" and curse "the one who curses you."

This rebuttal seems appropriate:

You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth."
But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.
If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also. Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two.
Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.


You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?
Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

-- Jesus Christ

[Az_lefty]

21. Jesus was a very peaceful man...

too bad the loonies can't learn from him.

[november3rd]

10. WS Journal

Isn't it interesting that the Wall Street Journal, newspaper that enjoys the reputation of being the finance and business community's most important and influential daily, runs a feature like this now. It is an attempt by the Journal editors to place themselves within the rapture right, which, contrary to Jesus Christ, advocates war, wealth and bloodshed.

[Rose Siding]

15. Half the time I think they expect everyone to see the freakishness

just because they wrote it out. He is newsworthy because his cult received a communication of support from Bush -I think people should be aware of that- and his topic does tie in with what's going on right now.

The rest of the time, I see it like you do; they're trying to make this guy presentable.

[smacky44]

11. Hagee of all people should simply be ignored and repudiated.

He is well funded by the Israeli lobby and the mindless and souless evangelicals that follow such hate speak. Christians are supposed to be followers of Christ, not the Old Testament patriarchs.

[seafan]

12. This is an extremely lethal mix of money, power and religious fanaticism.

A Texas Preacher Leads Campaign To Let Israel Fight

By ANDREW HIGGINS
July 27, 2006

snip

In 2003, The San Antonio Express-News dug into Mr. Hagee's filings with the Internal Revenue Service. The article alleged no wrongdoing, but reported that Mr. Hagee received more than $1.25 million in 2001 for his church and TV work and had a trust that includes a nearly 8,000-acre $2.1 million Texas ranch.

Mr. Hagee says that the bulk of his earnings comes from royalty payments from his 21 books, not from churchgoers' donations. He says he'll earn much the same this year if book sales hold up.

His finances under the spotlight, Mr. Hagee reorganized his holdings in a way that allowed him to avoid having to make public filings. In September 2004, Global Evangelism Television re-registered as a church under the name Grace Church of San Antonio. Churches, unlike religious TV companies and other nonprofit outfits, are exempt from filing detailed returns with the IRS. A further reorganization in recent weeks moved all assets into Cornerstone Church. None of the Church's financial records are publicly available. Mr. Hagee said his lawyers had recommended the changes for "greater clarity."

President Bush abandoned President Clinton's efforts to secure a big-bang peace settlement to the Israel-Palestine conflict but, under prodding from Britain and others, did back a slow-paced plan known as the Roadmap for Peace.

In May 2003, Mr. Hagee and other evangelical leaders sent a letter to President Bush applauding the invasion of Iraq but complaining about the Israel-Palestine peace plan. They said it would be "morally reprehensible" for the U.S. to be "evenhanded" between Israel and "the terrorist-infested Palestinian infrastructure."

Last fall, he took his annual "night to honor Israel," to Israel, holding the event in the hangar of an Israeli air-force base. He spoke at the Israeli Parliament and organized a visit for his U.S. followers to Megiddo, an Israeli hilltop that he believes will be the site of the battle of Armageddon.

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[Rose Siding]

14. Yep- and in case anyone missed it, here's Bush's "fake peace" quote

"My goal is exactly what I said it was, and that is to hopefully end this as quickly as possible and at the same time making sure there is a lasting peace, not a fake peace," Bush said.
...
"Look as soon as we can get this resolved, the better, obviously. But it must be real and it can't be fake. And so there's a serious diplomatic effort making sure there is a lasting peace, not a fake peace," he said.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N27186394.htm

I wonder how he would have felt about those holiday truces during the WWs. Too fake?

[DeepModem Mom]

16. "Fake peace" = "false stability"? From the article --

"They have long blasted what they've termed the 'false stability' of a region mostly ruled by autocrats and that has tolerated terrorist organizations committed to Israel's destruction."

[Greyhound]

17. Another contribution from the Lone Star State. n/t

[Kat45]

18. I got this from a page from your google 'false peace' search::

<At the time a one world government will be portrayed as a solution to all our problems, and the leaders will fool the world that it will bring peace. It will bring false peace for a short while, but it will be followed by tribulation. The most likely cause of a one world government would be a worldwide crisis to cause panic. This could be something like a natural disaster, war, terrorist attack, financial crises, or a supernatural event. One of these things could be deliberately engineered by people wanting to take over the world so they can gain power.>

When I read it, especially the last sentence, I couldn't help but think of the MIHOP theory of 9/11. That got the PNAC folks started toward the escalation of events in the Mideast, bringing them closer to their goal of taking over the world. Even if MIHOP is not true, the administration's actions enabled by 9/11 caused the same thing. Wouldn't that make the PNAC folks the antichrist?

[Az_lefty]

19. False Peace as in the Anti-Christ?

good grief, it's not hard to figure our where our foreign policy is coming from is it. These jokers actually think they can speed up the rapture by bringing on Armageddon. This is likely to get real entertaining.
:hide:

[zonkers]

20. Holy shit. A chill just went up my spine.

[daleo]

22. Every new Bush admin phrase has to be run through google

To see what its insane religious roots are.

[Marr]

23. Hmm... radical fundamentalists with an aggressive political ideology.

Think Homeland Security is keeping an eye on these people, or are they too busy watching peace activists?

[MagickMuffin]

24. False Peace & the One World Government in Bible Prophecy

Here's one of the statements from the google link:

It is Best to Start at the Beginning of this Summary of many Bible Prophesies.
At the time a one world government will be portrayed as a solution to all our problems, and the leaders will fool the world that it will bring peace. It will bring false peace for a short while, but it will be followed by tribulation. The most likely cause of a one world government would be a worldwide crisis to cause panic. This could be something like a natural disaster, war, terrorist attack, financial crises, or a supernatural event. One of these things could be deliberately engineered by people wanting to take over the world so they can gain power.

It looks as though this is already in place.

Why would anyone want to destroy "god's" garden, i.e. World?
Don't they love the world god gave them?
Do they hate it that much?
Why would they want to play god by destroying his creation?
Isn't that what satan's minions are suppose to be doing?
Who gave them a license to play god?

Whether this is about war, food (GMF), quality of air, water, etc. it seems to me these people have a problem with their god.

I think if there is/was a god they would be pissed!

[bigluckyfeet]

27. A preacher encouraging murder

What happened to that good old time religion.

[yurbud]

25. evangelical for eight years, so I got the reference from subj line

for them, 'real Armageddon' is better than fake peace.

Although I was a little uneasy with the Apocalypse crap all along, and I have a feeling those with more than room temperature IQs might have enough of the same qualms to stand back while the rest of the congregation is drinking their Kool Aid.

[Canuckistanian]

26. It's amazing

How so many people can be conned into acting aginst their own best inteests.

Mr. Hagee is the most fervent supporter of the "realm", while propagating the message of death and destruction.

[Gman]

28. Hagee is a huckster and another lunatic fringe member

He knows about the power of religion to make big money.

[malaise]

29. Bush said from day one

that this was a Crusade. ME people understood what he meant immediately and while he retracted the word, that is precisely what he has undertaken.

[glitch]

30. Everytime they use some odd sounding phrase, like "homeland"

it's code to some creepy underbelly segment of their base.