"Hezbollah was ALLEGEDLY using UN post as "shield".

[QuettaKid]

fixed that for ya!

ON EDIT: I had originally posted this in LBN section as a response to another poster who was trying to put forth the RW spin about the emails from the peacekeeper, and Hezbollah using the UN post as a shield. I for one do not belive for a second that they were doing any such thing. If that were true the UN guys would have hightailed it out of there, knowing full well that the IDF was about to bomb them to holy hell.

[Freddie Stubbs]

1. Do you have link for that?

:shrug:

[smacky44]

2. What do people think Israel meant by "No place in Lebanon is safe?"

I think they meant that they would bomb any place they wanted to and nothing would stop them. Not even pleas from UN observers or white flags. Hence, I think the weight of the evidence so far is that Israel intentionally bombe the UNIFIL facility.

[Spazito]

3. Hezbollah was NOT firing from within the immediate vicinity WHEN

Israel bombed the UN post:

She said 21 strikes occurred within 300 metres of the base and 12 artillery rounds fell within 100 metres of it, with four hitting the base directly.

The strikes occurred despite the fact "Hezbollah firing was not taking place within the immediate vicinity of the patrol base," she said.

Lute said that following the hit, Israeli troops continued to fire during the rescue operation and that incidents of firing close to UNIFIL positions were still happening Wednesday morning.

But Lute noted that UNIFIL has also come under direct attacks by small arms fire from Hezbollah.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2006/07/25/un-lebanon.html

and to add to this, the perspective from another Canadian peacekeeper who spent time in the same area with regard to whether the bombing could have been intentional:


Harry Bloom, eastern vice-president of the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry Association, spent a year in the early 1970s patrolling the exact terrain where Hess-von Kruedener served.

snip

Bloom, now retired at 66, said he wasn't surprised by news that an Israeli bomb had hit the post - and he doesn't believe it was an accident.

"I agree with (UN Secretary General) Kofi Annan's comment that it seemed to be an intentional hit. It would have to be. The outposts are so well-identified with blue and white paint and flags. A pilot cannot mistake that outpost for anything else."

Bloom described repeated "altercations" with Israeli forces when he was stationed there.

more

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=7eb2c665-888b-4025-8975-f405d1237e0e&k=7216&p=2

[gatorboy]

4. Sounds like the spin used when we bombed the Al Jazeera station in Iraq

EOM

[ContraBass Black]

5. Even if they were, you don't shoot the UN.

Never.

[RSMS9999]

6. why not put aside steadfast hate for israel

and try to understand what actually happened

Beirut, Lebanon (AHN) - A Canadian UN peacekeeper killed in an Israeli air strike Tuesday complained just days before that tragic incident that his position was being used as cover by Hezbollah terrorists attacking Israel.

In an interview on CBC Radio in Toronto, Major General Lewis MacKenzie (ret.) said he had been privy to e-mails received from the soldier over the past week.

MacKenzie, who happened to know the deceased personally, said in one such correspondence the soldier "described the fact that he was taking within...three meters of his position 'for tactical necessity - not being targeted.'"

The general explained that is veiled military speech "telling us Hezbollah fighters were all over his position and the IDF were targeting them."

He said using UN personnel as human shields is "a favorite trick by people who don't have representation in the UN," knowing they will suffer no direct consequences for the violation.

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7004343191

Hezbollah's MAIN startegy is to hide behind things such as civilian homes and infastructure and UN outposts to try to avoid being hit by the IDF. Then when Israel does attempt to kill the terrorists and collateral damage does occur it justs feeds into their worldwide anti-israel propaganda campaign that most people here eat right up. why dont you understand you are just TOOLS in the fanatical islam campaign to destroy israel forever.

[SammyBlue]

7. You know. . .you almost had me. While agree that Hezbollah

uses civilians as sheilds, as they did during the 1st and 2nd intifada. . .Radical Islam's campaign to destroy Israel? Sounds like an RW talking point.

It's not "radical Islam." It's Palestinian terrorists. But you're right. Hamas and Hezbollah don't want peace or coexistance. They want Israel destroyed.

[Spazito]

8. MacKenzie has no credibility, he is a failed wanna be right-wing

politician, he couldn't get elected because of his over-the top views. He is a rah-rah supporter of our right-wing phony conservative government. I take the word of a peacekeeper who was ACTUALLY THERE over that shill. I will also take the word of the UN representative who has the ACTUAL reports of that day and said Hezbollah was NOT firing in the immediate vicinity of the UN post when Israel bombed them and continued to fire at them DURING the rescue attempt.

[Swede]

15. Here you go.

"What I can tell you is this: we have on a daily basis had numerous occasions where our position has come under direct or indirect fire from both artillery and aerial bombing. The closest artillery has landed within 2 meters of our position and the closest 1000 lb aerial bomb has landed 100 meters from our patrol base. This has not been deliberate targeting, but has rather been due to tactical necessity."


http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060718/mideast_lebanon_UN_060716/20060718

[Spazito]

19. Why are you posting this to me?

Posting the info provided by the man who was killed by ISRAELI bombs when Hezbollah was NOT firing in the immediate vicinity at the time makes no sense to me. It has nothing to do with the situation as it existed on the DAY Israel bombed the UN post and killed him.

Here is the view from another peacekeeper who also was once at that post:

Harry Bloom, eastern vice-president of the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry Association, spent a year in the early 1970s patrolling the exact terrain where Hess-von Kruedener served.

snip

Bloom, now retired at 66, said he wasn't surprised by news that an Israeli bomb had hit the post - and he doesn't believe it was an accident.

"I agree with (UN Secretary General) Kofi Annan's comment that it seemed to be an intentional hit. It would have to be. The outposts are so well-identified with blue and white paint and flags. A pilot cannot mistake that outpost for anything else."

Bloom described repeated "altercations" with Israeli forces when he was stationed there.

more

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=7eb2c665-888b-4025-8975-f405d1237e0e&k=7216&p=2

I will take the word of the UN spokesperson and of this peacekeeper over the shill MacKenzie who has NOT been there, was not there at the time.

[QuestionAll...]

9. I also heard that Cheney was hiding behind the WTC on Sept. 11...

:sarcasm:

I ain't no tool nor a fool. I understand perfectly and that understanding involves learning a bit about War Pigs 101, taught by professor * and his war criminal friends at home and abroad.

[librechik]

10. ack

come back when you can talk using a civil tone--you don't name call around here.

[Phx_Dem]

16. That's funny

civil tone? DU?

[blonndee]

13. How did you get "you don't shoot the UN" to mean "steadfast hate

for Israel?" Seems like there's only one "tool" in this particular back and forth, and it's not ContraBassBlack. :eyes:

[Jim__]

14. That sounds so credible

Major General Lewis MacKenzie (ret.) said he had been privy to e-mails received from the soldier over the past week.

Had been privy to? Over the past week? I'm convinced.

[woodsprite]

11. And PNAC is using the Bolton appointment as a shield - seems

to be the new normal. n/t

[madrchsod]

12. according to the bbc reporter and the un

the idf bracketed the un post with artillery fire while the un was calling the idf command that they were under attack then the idf sent in the jet with the laser guided bomb....iseems pretty intentional to me

[QuettaKid]

17. The IDF intentionally killed them. End of story.

.

[leesa]

18. Well, of course we knew this phony excuse was coming. Isn't it always

used when we bomb civilians and UN folks?

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

20. So Israel deliberately attacked it then?

according to the original poster you are responding to?

And since the post continued to receive near-hits during the rescue attempt, that would seem to confirm it.