My thoughts on the mean things we say about Republican

[Cleita]

women who are out in the public, that means Laura Bush, Ann Coulter, Condi Rice and anyone else who wants to make a fool out of themselves for the neo-cons. I say they are legitimate targets because they chose to whore for these criminals who have blood on their hands, aiding and abetting and cheering them on for what they do.

As a woman, I cringe that I am the same gender as these harpies who aren't even honest enough to be real whores. Remember everytime you see an atrocity on TV or print media of a child burned to death, bombed into little pieces or still living with missing limbs and eyes, that these role models of Republican womanhood were behind the men cheering them on, apologizing for them and attacking anyone who questioned their logic and their loyalty.

I have no compunction about really not caring about which one of any of them might be dying or criticizing the way they look and dress, because each one of them made the choice for an easy and luxurious life and they didn't care who suffered or whom they wiped their feet on so that they could have it.

If that makes me a mean old bat in the eyes of many, then so be it. At least I never deliberatelty harmed any one of them, nor would I, but at least I can say how I feel and if it involves some mean remarks, that is the worst any of those women will ever get from me.

[babylonsister]

1. From one mean old bat to another, I salute you!

:toast:

[Cleita]

96. I forgot to toast you back.

:toast:

We who want to be strong and independent have to stick together.

[SammyBlue]

2. To hell with them

They spent 8 years calling Hillary Clinton a bitch, a man, a witch.

If people don't like the language, fuck 'em. To be honest, calling female republican neo-con shills whores is relatively tame.

[Gato Moteado]

3. republicans are human garbage.....it doesn't matter if they're men...

...or women. if they align themselves with the devil, let's call them what they are. that goes for republican politicians and the scum that vote for them.

[catmother]

10. that's a ridiculous statement. i know some republicans who are

very nice people. we just have differing views politically. i certainly would not say that my best friend who is a lesbian and a republican is aligning herself with the devil. BTW, her SO is a democrat. does that mean she's "sleeping with the devil"?

on edit: i'm really getting sick of all the hate i'm seeing on DU.

[Fredda Weinberg]

12. ..

[catmother]

17. what happened to your reply?

:scared:

[Fredda Weinberg]

28. Ditto ... just ditto ...

I've been using the Alert button more often these days ... it's all we can do.

[beyurslf]

21. Republicans get elected by demonizing gays and lesbians.

Yes, your best friend's partner is sleeping with the devil. You know who that makes your best friend?

[Name removed]

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[Cleita]

27. Please don't diagnose other DUers on my thread.

Unless you have personal knowledge of this, it makes you look well...?

[catmother]

32. when a person calls my best friend the devil because she's

a republican, i'll say what i want. does the poster have intimate knowledge that my friend is the "devil"? you should be more concerned with what other people are saying on your thread. i don't know where all this hate is coming from.

[Cleita]

37. Did anybody call anyone a devil?

And do tell who your best friend is among those ladies. We really want to know.

Now let me ask you if you approve of your best friend's attacks on our politicians, calling them homosexuals not that they would consider it insulting but you know whom they were appealing to. Do you approve of your best friend calling an esteemed and elderly member of the Washington journalists, and "old Arab". Do you approve of your best friend referring to Middle Easterners as swarthy and ragheads?

I'm waiting for the answers. Inquiring minds and all want to know.

[catmother]

43. my friend has never said any of those things. she's not a very

political person -- just a lifetime republican. i told her one time that i didn't understand why she would vote for a party who hates gays. she said "when push comes to shove neither party would stand up for them". her SO and i have tried to make her see the "light". one of these days she might just come around. she's a very nice person. one thing she said was that she didn't like hillary. now i'm not crazy about hillary either. she will not get my vote in the primaries. but, if she is the democratic nominee she will get my vote.

you really can't take a whole group of people and generalize. there are some not-so-nice democrats out there.

[Cleita]

46. I'm not the one whose generalizing.

I'm talking about very specific, public women and somehow you turned them into "your friend" whom I made the mistake of thinking you were talking in metaphors and "sacre bleu" you were talking about a women no one knows.

[catmother]

59. it was the following statement that was posted that caused me

to react.

republicans are human garbage.....it doesn't matter if they're men...
...or women. if they align themselves with the devil, let's call them what they are. that goes for republican politicians and the scum that vote for them.

it was post #3

[benevolent dictator]

66. If you had just read the posts that should have been obvious. nt.

[Gato Moteado]

107. sorry catmother...you're friend is either not very bright or is dishonest

she said:
"when push comes to shove neither party would stand up for them(gays and lesbians)"

what is she smoking? the repukes are constantly trying to amend the constitution to take rights away from gays. the constitution was put in place to ensure our rights. the repukes want to use it to take rights away from certain citizens (people like your best friend, who are gay). ask your friend to name one democrat that has ever tried to do that.

here's another strange thing about your post...you said this alluding to my assertion that repukes are all garbage:
"you really can't take a whole group of people and generalize."

well right above that, you said the only rationalization that your best friend could come up with with for voting repuke was this:
"one thing she said was that she didn't like hillary."

wow! sounds like she's the one generalizing. just because she doesn't like hillary, she's going to vote for the party of greed, war, bigotry, homophobia, hate, corporate socialism, anti-freedom, anti-environment, etc. hmmmm....sounds like she's the one generalizing....she's anti-dem because she doesn't like one dem, hillary.

here's the thing...i said i think all repukes are human garbage. and i do. you feel differently than i do. you're able to befriend people that are morally corrupt. i'm not. that's your choice and i respect that. i'm sure there were people that befriended those who supported hitler and said "aw, they're not such bad people, they're just misguided." sorry, i ain't one of those people.

when the terrorism in the world grows out of control, you'll have your best friend to thank. when the reality of global warming sets in, you'll have your best friend to thank. when the government has grabbed hold of that last piece of power and is intruding into every aspect of your life and listening in to your phone calls, you'll have your best friend to thank. when our economy collapses and your children and grandchildren start paying for all the tax breaks given to big corporations you'll have your best friend to thank. as our soldiers and innocent civilians in the middle east continue to die horrible deaths you'll have your best friend to thank. you're a tolerant person....i'll give you that. but as for me, i choose my friends a little differently.

and i'm sorry, i cannot apologize....anyone, ANYONE, that supports what the repuks are doing to the world is human garbage. period.

[catmother]

111. the hillary statement. my friend made that statement during the

clinton impeachment. hillary is not her reason for being a repub. it just came up in conversation.

all i can say to you is if you think all republicans are evil, i feel sorry for you. in this country we have 2 parties. even if we elect a democrat for president or get the house back, those dems are going to have to work together with the repubs. imagine if every dem in office felt the way you do, this country would really be in a mess. it would be a civil war.

yes i am more tolerant. i don't expect an apology from you. you can just stew in your own hate.

[Gato Moteado]

112. actually, we have more than two parties in the country.....

...but, yeah, only two major parties. the other ones have been mostly marginalized and they don't have the corporate money to fight back. maybe that's one of the biggest problems with our political system.

yes, you're more tolerant than i am and that's admirable. no doubt about it. but at what point will you be intolerant with these people? what else do they have to do and support for you to feel that they are evil? illegal wars that kill tens of thousands isn't enough? support for big oil and the military industrial complex over poor and sick people isn't enough? destruction of the environment for corporate gain isn't enough? domestic spying and the destruction of civil liberties isn't enough? pandering to religious freaks that want to shove their vile brand of christianity down your throat isn't enough? and i've hardly scratched the surface here.

if it looks like a nazi and goosesteps like a nazi, then it probably is a nazi. how can you have any respect for these people at all.

and i'm not stewing in my own hate as you suggest. i'm just being realistic. a vote for a republican is exactly the same as a vote for a nazi. it's the same mindset at work. sure, they haven't turned the US into nazi germany but connect the dots and you'll see where it's all heading.

[catmother]

113. i'm sorry that you feel that way. you are absolutely right about

the republican party's agenda (especially bushco). you and i know each other outside of these boards and yes, the way the country is going was one of my reasons for wanting to move to costa rica. and probably yours too.

we're never going to agree so can we call a cease fire between us?

[Gato Moteado]

117. sure, we don't agree on everything, but.....

...that doesn't mean we're not on the same side. the progressive tent is truly a big one. as long as you don't switch to the evil repub side, you're ok in my book.

and to be fair, i had made the decision to move down here long before bushco ever took power. i just got stuck there for a little longer than i had hoped.

[catmother]

118. don't worry i'll never move to the other side.

:toast:

[ThsMchneKilsFascists]

69. polyanna time is over. People are dying over this stuff

So you know some very nice GOP supporters?
Ask them why they support a policy of death and domination.
Ask them why the Geneva conventions no longer apply.
Ask them how they can have attrocities committed in their name daily and still tuck the grandkids in at night.
Can't do that cuz it aint nice?
Fuck nice.
Evil IS as evil does and they are going along with it.
But I'm sure they're right nice folk.

[Cleita]

72. Nice post and welcome to DU if no one else has said it.

My point exactly.

[ThsMchneKilsFascists]

76. thank you for the kind welcome

:hi:

[catmother]

84. not everyone follows what's going on the way we do. i have

one friend whose the only dem in his family. his parents, 2 sisters and brother are all republicans. but he's a free thinker.

sometimes i try to talk to people i meet about politics and they are totally uninformed.

also some are religious. i have neighbors who are very christian -- i mean very and they are republicans. they think the dems are too liberal. again, they are very nice people but they don't watch cable TV most of the day. they just go about their daily lives doing their church work, etc. it doesn't make them bad people.

i try to keep an open mind. but believe me i have gotten into some heavy arguments with repubs who know what's going on and condone it. i was in a doctor's office one day and i picked up a magazine with a picture of cheney on it. i said loudly "he is so evil". a woman looked at me and said "what do you mean" and did we get into it. fortunatley i was called in too see the doctor or i think we really would have gotten nasty with each other. my doc's receptionist who's a dem was holding back the laughter.

[Lyric]

114. A lesbian Republican?

As a lesbian, I have a hard time dealing with other homosexuals who choose to be Republican.

Obviously it's a very intense personal issue for me, but I see people like that as shallow people who care more about their stock portfolios than they do about their own civil rights. I don't think that view makes me "full of hate", either. As an member of a minority being oppressed by the Republican party at every turn, I think such a viewpoint is pretty fair.

[MarkDevin]

123. Republican = waste of DNA

Anyone who still supports Bush is either stupid and ignorant or mean-spirited and uncaring. I didn't always feel that way about Republicans, but I damn sure feel that way now!

[QuestionAll...]

18. that is just not true. o my.

I'm really saddened that it has become viewed as this by some.

and for another untruth, all democrats are not angels sitting on the right hand of Gawd.

[catmother]

35. you are absolutely right.

[QuestionAll...]

44. I feel like I'm 12 years old sometimes

in these dialogues, butting up with other 12 year olds - learning the ropes. Maybe I'm dumb or missing some synapses or am mentally retarded, but I don't think so. I just do not follow this 'camp' stuff very well. The us against them. Holy crap we all the us and them, all of us. The fucking real 'them' are the ones turning us against each other and making us believe that 'republicans', or 'liberals'. or 'muslims' or 'israelis' are so different from 'us' so send us your cash so we can play our physc or war games. thankyouverymuch.
That we all cherish our families and friends and have hopes and dreams and hugs and just regular life obstacles to overcome, all over the planet - we are all the same in different ways.

[catmother]

75. i totally agree with you. sometimes i wonder how old these

people are. i'm almost 65 and i find some of these posts "childish" and "immature".

[fearthem]

4. simple-minded

[Cleita]

40. Fanning myself.

I'm so hurt.

[fearthem]

102. NOT YOU! My description of Republicans!

[BuyingThyme]

5. Remember the first time they pulled Laura out of the closet?

That time she explained to us about all the great things her husband was doing for the women of Afghanistan?

How can you have no compunction when so many Afghan women are walking around in full makeup, learning how to perform heart surgery and computer repair?

[Cleita]

26. I was so impressed when she talked about the victims

of Corrina. :eyes: Did they really have to rip her away from her soap operas to make an ass out of herself?

[blm]

6. I will stand with you.

They are evil because they CHOOSE to be evil - they deserve much worse than just words.

[Cleita]

25. Those of us who can see

what is really going on and who don't need PC dictated to us have to.

:pals:

[blm]

29. I'm generally a better person than that, but they have been inhuman in

their attitude towards so many that they do not deserve the respect I would naturally have for a fellow human being or even an animal.

[Cleita]

30. Yes, this is why they need to be called out, their inhumanity.

eom

[benevolent dictator]

68. So call out their inhumanity, but don't

degrade them using sexist standards and stereotypes. That degrades ALL women, whether Republican, Democrat, Green, Independent, Apathetic, or Other.

[Cleita]

77. I didn't use any sexist standards and stereotypes.

You did use the biggest one though, if you don't mind me saying so, and that was when you put yourself up on a pedestal that you think can't be knocked down. The trouble is that everyone can look up your skirt.

[benevolent dictator]

79. Please clarify your post.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by that.

You said, quote, "I have no compunction about really not caring about which one of any of them might be dying or criticizing the way they look and dress."

Criticizing the way they look and dress is criticizing them based on sexist standards and stereotypes.

[Name removed]

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[benevolent dictator]

86. Um, what?

Actually, I don't own an ipod, thankssomuch.

Apparently you can't even criticize what I have to say based on merit, and need to resort to your assumptions of my age. It really just makes you look immature, btw.

Please explain to me how I "used the biggest one." I'm going to assume you meant I used "the biggest" sexist standard and stereotype. Please explain.

[benevolent dictator]

67. So you're going to degrade them based on their looks and dress?

Please, let's stick to politics and not mock women for not living up to society's impossible standards of beauty.

[Cleita]

71. No one is talking about beauty. There isn't a whole

lot of that on the right side of the aisle, inbreeding and all that anyway (see here I am being catty). This isn't even about that. It's about criticizing those who put their credibility up as voices of the right wing. The fact is that they say so many stupid things, (the politics) that talking about how they look while they are saying it just comes naturally.

Actually, my original post wasn't about looks anyway. It was the net nannies saying I shouldn't say that I wouldn't lose any sleep if the Coultergeist became our dearly departed. I still don't care if she dies. I really don't. She can be greeted in the next life by the children and soldiers her books and rhetoric helped kill so she could have enough money to pursue a decadent life in Manhattan.

[benevolent dictator]

90. These are your words:

I have no compunction about really not caring about which one of any of them might be dying or criticizing the way they look and dress,

I have no problem with you criticizing any of them for their policies or politics or actions, none what so ever. In fact, I encourage it!

Please though, leave their looks and dress out of it. It's really inconsequential when compared with anything else they could be criticized for, and when their looks and dress are brought up it just plays into the Patriarchal system that holds us all to impossible beauty standards.

[lukasahero]

103. "talking about how they look while they are saying it just comes naturally

Comes naturally when talking about women in general - on the left and the right. By participating in doing it to the right, we condone the right doing it to the left.

But no big, women are women and what they look like and wear is worth as much (or more) as what they say. That much is obvious.

[blm]

109. I don't, but, targetting the inhumanity of these women is fair game.

.

[VelmaD]

7. I have to respectfully disagree

I get really tired of how people comment on Hillary's looks or how she dresses or whether she's a lesbian or whatever. Same for a lot of other Democratic women office holders. If we don't like it when they do it to Democratic women then it is hypocritical to tolerate it when it is done to Republican women.

It's really very simple. If you disagree with them it is easy enough to express that disagreement without resorting to commenting on their appearance.

[QuestionAll...]

8. I can be a mean old bat as well...

just lately I'm saving up my ammo for things more important that Ann Coulter and other personalities - who the fuck are they to me or my life, thingie... ;)

I'm trying to get away from people targets and concentrate on the rotting overall system that makes us feel like we're doing something constructive when we wipe a piece of flyshit off a nuclear bomb, kind of thing.

I'm in training, tho. and it's hard werk.
I may slip up once in a while

[noamnety]

9. My complaint isn't that you are insulting them

It's that you are participating in and encouraging a SYSTEM in which ALL women, including me, are judged based on their ability to present themselves as sex objects to men.

I take it as a personal insult, when people assess my worth in that way - and by extension, when ANY woman's worth is assessed in that way. It makes it harder for ALL women to by in the public eye and be judged on our opinions and actions, by legitimizing sexism.

Likewise, if you insulted Colin Powell based on his race, I would find your comments abhorrent, even though I think he is absolute scum.

It's beyond me why anyone would try to justify their use of racism or sexism. If you find yourself resorting to one of those, just stop.

[QuestionAll...]

11. thanks, lwfern. very well said. and a tangent of mine is...

all the prison rape jokes, they're not funny at all to me. rape is never funny to anyone. I wish that would stop here, but I know how it goes - the seeded acceptable insensitivities of all sorts.

[Cleita]

14. I haven't used either. I've just been catty.

Personality flaw I guess and I love cats.

[noamnety]

47. I don't care about your cats

I care about being respected as a human. Dislike me if you want. Dislike Condi and Laura Bush. They deserve it. But don't use sexist tools to put women in their place, and then claim you aren't insulting me in the process.

This is sexism:

"Women in politics are similarly sidelined. Canadian journalist Jenn Goddu studied newspaper and magazine coverage of three women’s lobby groups over a 15-year period. She discovered that journalists tend to focus on the domestic aspects of the politically active woman’s life (such as "details about the high heels stashed in her bag, her habit of napping in the early evening, and her lack of concern about whether or not she is considered ladylike") rather than her position on the issues."

http://www.media-awareness.ca/english/issues/stereotyping/women_and_girls/women_coverage.cfm

This article documents some of the sexism in the media:

"Nor did W do his nominee any favors when he called her a "pit bull in size 6 shoes" -- a phrase that quickly made its way into headlines. Oh, how that size 6 has haunted women leaders in the press, from Brokaw cutting Ferraro down to size in '84, to the day Condoleezza Rice became America's first African-American female national security adviser -- and a front page New York Times story reported that "her dress size is between a 6 and an 8." And earlier this year, after Rice happened to wear tall black leather boots, here's how the Washington Post described the single most influential woman in the current administration:

"...the mind searches for ways to put it all into context. It turns to fiction, to caricature. To shadowy daydreams. Dominatrix! It is as though sex and power can only co-exist in a fantasy. When a woman combines them in the real world, stubborn stereotypes have her power devolving into a form that is purely sexual."

Orwellian, isn't it? The Post brands the secretary of state a dominatrix, then feigns concern that sexualized stereotypes rob female politicians of their power... never acknowledging that their paper is a prime purveyor of these double-standard-laced stereotypes."

http://www.alternet.org/story/27985/

[Cleita]

48. I will not condone any woman who denigrates my sex

by her words and actions particulary if other women, children, old people and our soldiers are harmed or put in the way of harm because she was the power behind the men who effected this.

I don't care if you don't like me taking care of the problems in my backyard.

[noamnety]

51. I'm not asking you to condone her actions or her words

I'm asking you not to insult me, by treating women as the sum of their clothing or sex appeal.

I'm trying to tell you that what you are saying offends me.

And I'm trying to find a way to make you care whether or not you are insulting women, as a class.

[Cleita]

52. ....

:boring:

I would be a ninja amazon to fight for women all over the world if I could. I can't believe that you think that way. Knowing your enemy gets you half way there and there is a good possibility that the enemy is posing like you.

[noamnety]

56. you don't need to be a ninja amazon

All I'm asking is that you don't actively CONTRIBUTE to it.

[Cleita]

58. What you are demanding doesn't advance the cause of

women at all. It only validates the accusations of us as being shrill. Wake up, there are some bad asses among us and we have to make them know they are bad asses.

[noamnety]

61. "shrill"? n/t

[lukasahero]

104. "Knowing your enemy"

Knowing your enemy is one thing. Becoming them is another.

[burythehatchet]

13. It makes you a liberal

;)

[Cleita]

15. Thank you.

I don't think anyone is above criticism even if they are women. If this is so then we wouldn't be equal, would we.

[benevolent dictator]

62. The issue isn't that women are above criticism

the issue is that you are criticizing them based on sexist stereotypes and ideals and thereby supporting a system that degrades and insults all women.

[Cleita]

63. Excuse me but they are out there promoting the sexist

stereotypes and ideals. We are making fun of them. I don't think that supports a system that degrades and insults all women, just them, who do make fun of us. It's time to call it as it is. It's too bad Teresa Kerry didn't become First Lady. I think you might have seen some real change in how women are viewed.

[benevolent dictator]

70. How is making fun of them

not promoting sexist stereotypes and ideals? Please explain that to me.

When you (or anyone) make fun of Anne Coulter for "looking like a man" you are mocking her for not living up to society's standard of beauty. When you mock the cut of the First Lady's dress suit, you are making fun of her for not living up to what she "should" look like.

It has nothing to do with her terrible politics or the policies she supports, and everything to do with her looks. Please explain to me how that is not supporting a system that degrades and insults all women who do not live up to society's standards.

[KoKo]

16. Well...this DU'er sure can't disagree with what you say ....

Enablers of Evil.....who would stab you in the back if you were "down and out" might deserve our "forgiveness" if we are Christians but our only way of dealing with them these days is our "pot shots" on internet message boards. And, we need to keep exposing the lies and evil they do.

[Cleita]

19. Hey KoKo01, you and I although very different seem to end

up in agreement.

:hug:

[KoKo]

106. Back attcha!

:hug:

[liberaltrucker]

20. From a male perspective

*dons flame proof suit*

A whore is a whore. Whether a Manhattan call girl or a blonde bimbo
Repuke talking head on Faux. Only difference is the call girl makes
more $$ and is more deserving of respect.

[Cleita]

22. LOL!

You are so right.

[QuestionAll...]

33. the biggest god damned whores are war mongering men.

they don't only sell their bodies and souls, they sell out their country.

and btw, I don't like using the whore word. it's so gender gonad specific. I have nothing against prostitution at all. We all do it.

[Cleita]

39. Well said, we all have to bend over to survive.

The problem with these women isn't survival, it's a deliberate move to get to where they are without any concern over whom they destroy in the process.

[QuestionAll...]

49. get back to me when these women's thumbs are on the red button

directly.

I just cannot comprehend that Laura is responsible for Gorge's idiotcy.
I'm sure that's not what you are saying, but it's sounding like that to me.

[Cleita]

50. No we can blame that on mama Barbara and her drinking

while pregnant with George. Also, neither of them had much of a gene contribution in brains either. However, ask yourself this question, "If Laura didn't think George could provide her with a secure future, would she have married him?"

[QuestionAll...]

57. that thought has no room in my head at all at this time!

I couldn't give a crap about what Laura may have thought, does think, or ever thunk at all.

People, when considering marriage, consider what sort of future their partnering offers them.... I still don't get what you're getting at.

btw, I do agree that Babs Sr. is some scary dude.

[benevolent dictator]

73. Why aren't Republican men considered "whores"?

Don't insult women based on their ability to be a sex object, insult them based on their shitty politics.

[Cleita]

74. No,

I don't care for dictators benevolent or not.

[benevolent dictator]

81. That did not answer my post at all.

Way to admit you're wrong, attacking my username and all... :eyes:

Running out of ways to defend your sexism?

[Cleita]

83. Not attacking. I'm curious why you use it.

Is it because * said it or do you believe it?

[benevolent dictator]

88. It's a long story.

But the short version is that my friends used to tell me that the world would be a lot better if I were dictator. "You'd be like B*sh, only, you know, benevolent."

[Cleita]

92. So your friends are saying that you are a bossy person but

nice. Let me tell you something I learned from a native American chief in South America, a she. She told me that no chief is chief unless they are good listeners and can be wise. She said if she was neither she would be essentially fired and replaced. She was bossy because that was her job. Everyone expected her to have answers and figure everything out, but there was no dictator there. The dictator is someone no one wants but who has control over them.

[benevolent dictator]

94. Look, it's really more of an inside joke than anything else.

I don't need a lecture on it, I'm not exactly planning on becoming a dictator anytime soon. :)

[lukasahero]

105. More to the point: why is whore considered an insult?

I thought we were the party that believed in the "personal power of sexual freedom"? Thread after thread talks about how wonderfully liberating it is for women to sell their sexuality, but yet, whore is still an insult. So what do we really think of the women who sell their sexuality to survive? (The hypocrisy is astounding.)

[benevolent dictator]

116. Excellent point.

And I've always wondered why there are so many insults for people who sell sex, but virtually none (aside from not-very-insulting names like "Johns") for people who feel entitled to buy the use of another person.

[eridani]

99. You forgot to mention that whores are not all female n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

23. K &R

:applause:

[Erika]

31. The Democrat women aren't the vicious attack dogs that

Malkin, Coulter, Ingraham, etc. are as far as I know.

They are so hate filled and tempting to divide.

Please feel free to name any attack bitches that the democrats utilize. We do need to start stading up for our positions against the shrillness of the right.

[The Straight Story]

34. What about women on our side who enable them (repugs)?

Hillary and her votes, etc and so on?

[Cleita]

38. Hillary actually gets a ton of criticism not only from the

freeps but from us. Yet, I don't see anyone worrying about how PC it is.

[gordianot]

36. Ann Coulter is in a class by herself no matter what gender.

She is what I term the "Conservatively Insane".

[Cleita]

42. They are all insane. That's what it takes for them to bond together.

Ann is one of their vessels of hate. They don't give a shit about her and none of them will shed a tear when she's gone. At least here at DU we might have a wake for the wrong reasons, but Ann will disappear without ceremony, just like Bush's little sister did. They don't care. She did her job and when she can't anymore no one will mourn her especially the creeps she tried to impress.

[savemefromdumbya]

60. yes she is a worm

[femrap]

41. These women may be complicit but make no mistake

there is no women as evil, vile, murderous, and sadistic than *, cheney, rove, perle, kristol, libby, rummy, hadley, addington, gonzales, and the entire cabal at PNAC. To waste your anger on their enablers is sad.

I put all my disgust and anger toward those who do the killing and war profiteering.....the men.

[Cleita]

45. But, you think it's okay for Coulter and Rice

(not blaming Laura here) to advance those vile, muderous and sadistic men's agenda? What if Rice really decided to be an SOS and try diplomacy. What if Coulter stopped her attack bitch M/O and told the truth?

Think of all the deaths of soldiers, civilians, children and old people that may not have happened if they weren't beating the drums to enable this. They could do the right thing, but they don't.

[femrap]

53. Condi and Coulter are sad...they remind me of

prostitutes. They're drumming for the boys to get a paycheck. And I think Coulter is about to crack...she must be on some numbing drugs to get thru her day. And Condi does as she is told by Cheney...just like Colin Powell did.

These PNACers hate Dept. of State...they're 'sissies.' They want to use words to solve conflicts. The sadistic neocons want to use bombs and the war machine so they can make $ and feel like real 'men.'

There's already talk of getting rid of Condi...she's not blood-thirsty enough for this murderous crowd. Head of State is this regime's 'token position.' The only ones who have real power are at the Pentagon and DOD. And what's so funny is that both cheney and rummy were never in the military and they are terribly short. Rummy is 5'6" and cheney is 5'8"....personifications of the Napoleon Complex.

I think many of the women who are supporting these murderous assholes are self-hating and not worth our hate....our pity, maybe. They have no power whatsoever. NONE. The boys let them window dress.

And I do think Condi and * are doing the nasty....ICK!

[Cleita]

54. You should never try to please your masters more than

you have to without getting whipped. No matter what you do for them, they will take the benefits without thanks, and the day you can't do it, you are sent away.
Too bad Condi didn't learn that lesson before she decided to be one of the snakes. Or maybe she did and and she's got the money and the Ferragamo shoes stashed away. Also, wasn't she offered another job as football commissioner or something? So she doesn't care about all that blood on her shoes, just the fact that she has them.

[femrap]

95. Yeah, Condi sold her soul for shoe soles....ha!

I think it bothers her, too....she wasn't raised in an elite family. In fact, she has a cousin who works in Los Angeles and has been on Now w/ Bill Moyers. She is a fighter for social justice. I was very impressed with her. They discussed Condi a bit...said they didn't discuss politics over Thanksgiving dinner...lol.

[leftofthedial]

55. "ren't even honest enough to be real whores"

LOL

:rofl:

[eridani]

101. Don't confuse whores with sex workers

A big difference is that there are lots of things sex workers won't do for money.

[benevolent dictator]

64. Why would you criticize their looks and dress

instead of criticizing their horrible politics? It degrades all women to reduce those women to their looks, especially since most men are given the benefit of being criticized on their positions and ideas, and not on their looks or clothing.

You've pointed out many of the flaws in those women's politics, why can't you stick to criticizing their opinions, instead of something that has absolutely NOTHING to do with their positions on the issues.

[Cleita]

65. So that they are equal in criticism to all the men I we criticize.

I mean c'mon, who hasn't joked about Karl Rove and all the Repukes looking like Pillsbury doughboys. How about * and all the monkey jokes, the missed button shirts, the bedhead and creepy teeth. The women deserve to be equally criticized.

[benevolent dictator]

78. Women's looks are criticized at every turn

and it's the ONLY thing a lot of people criticize them for. We shouldn't criticize women OR men for their looks, it should be based on their politics, opinions, ideas and actions. If you actually pay attention, you'll see that men are criticized MUCH less for their looks compared to their ideas and actions. Why can't we give the same benefit to women? The "it happens to men too!" argument is bullshit. Just because it happens to men too doesn't mean it's ok, and reducing women to their appearance is merely one aspect in the patriarchal system that oppresses all women. Please don't contribute to our oppression in the name of "equality."

[Cleita]

80. Oh, so looks are your problem.

Really, with most of us it's politics and we sort of act out saying they could look better, but it's really about the politics.

Trust me, I really am into diluting the patriarchal thing and would like women to have equal representation in law by law.

I would suggest, however, that you don't worry about some of us who just have to be catty and go get a makeover or something.

[benevolent dictator]

85. My problem is with women being degraded based on looks instead of their

opinions and actions.

I have no compunction about really not caring about which one of any of them might be dying or criticizing the way they look and dress,

Your words. You are the one saying you are going to criticize their looks and dress. Tell me, what does their pant suit have to do with the children killed in the bombings? What does their hair style have to do with their support of draconian policies?

[Cleita]

89. I don't care if Ann Coulter dies, I don't care if Condi Rice dies.

I don't care if Laura Bush dies. My opinion of how they look and dress since you asked, I haven't offered this before you know, is that they are public people and should respect us enough to look like they didn't just get out of bed and I'm talking about all of them.

[Cleita]

87. DU, forgive me if this fans the flame but I must say more

especially since some don't seem to know what it is like to be a woman for the sixty plus years that I have been. I have been through every dishonor brought on a woman to keep them under control other than having to wear a veil over my face. I did have to wear a veil to church in South America but I didn't have to cover my face with it.

I have been at the forefront of getting women's rights in the workplace but never benefitted much from it myself. My stepdaughter has, although she still seems to think that the good paying job she has today is because of her hard work. It is. But she doesn't understand that in my day it wouldn't have been available to her, that the door would have been closed.

So I really resent anyone saying that I am sexist. If I want to villify the women who because of their public persona want to take us back to the days that I had to fight to end, they will get any criticism I throw at them.

[benevolent dictator]

91. I don't think anyone has a problem with you criticizing them because

they are women. It's criticizing them based on the way they look and the way they dress that people have the problem with.

[Cleita]

93. But I haven't done that, well for a week.

I didn't even criticize Condi's weird looking legs. I even said her bad pictures in Rome could be about a sinus condition. However, you know that because she can't be a real SOS (she's incompetent) that people are going to pick at other things. This is what being honest with your feelings about the people who are supposed to keep you secure is about. It might be some gender picking (how many jokes about a guys size) but it's really about the person.

Those Republican enabler women just can't get a pass.

[benevolent dictator]

98. How is it "giving them a pass" to criticize their opinions and actions

instead of their looks?

Please, explain it to me.

[noamnety]

97. If you don't want to be called sexist

then don't act it.

Really, telling another DUer to "go get a makeover?"

The insults you are supporting using against Republicans (supposedly because of their policies) are the same type of insults you're resorting to now, against forum members, sort of proving it's your overall mindset. If you don't like what ANY woman says, you resort to gender insults, like I'm "shrill" if I won't shut up and accept sexism here. Or someone else must need a makeover.

I've been through a lot of dishonor brought on women as well. This thread is part of it.

[eridani]

100. I'm thinking there's a difference between women who are public figures--

--and those who are not.

[ProfessorGAC]

108. Whoring Themselves For Those With Blood On Their Hands???

Don't people like Rice, and Coulter, and Laura Bush have blood on their own hands. Why are you letting them off so easy?
The Professor

[Cleita]

110. LOL!

You have a point. They are as complicit as if they killed all those innocent civilians, children and miltary themselves. Condi is the guiltiest because she no doubt was involved in the planning.

[dsc]

115. The problem is when we say mean things about women

that we never would say about men. I have never seen a thread about the appearence of a Republican man for example, while Republican women are fair game in that regard. I think it also is a problem when we say "Republican X is gay" for some random reason. I have no problem with being critical of Republicans I just don't want women and gays to be the whipping 'boys' while we do so.

[Cleita]

119. I beg to differ.

There have been many threads on how Bush can't button his shirts, about his creepy smile and body language. These threads are usually attached to photos of what he's doing. I think calling him a chimp, also, is making fun of his looks, isn't it?

[dsc]

121. chimp I'll give you

the rest, as you point out, are about his behavior. When he acts like an ass by making dumb faces that is action. Yes, he may look stupid too but he is acting stupid which is what is being comment on.

[Cleita]

120. Randi Rhodes had at Ann Coulter today.

She just didn't have anything nice to say about her. A caller upbraided her for that and she replied that he was right, however, she said it was Friday and a guilty pleasure that she indulged in. I don't think you can accuse Randi of being sexist. Yes, it is a guilty pleasure and this Coulter woman deserves no sympathy whatsoever for all the hateful things that have come out of her mouth and that she has written in her books. She's just an overated hag, whose looks are beginning to look more and more like her putrid soul everyday that passes.

[noamnety]

122. I didn't hear Randi

but if you're looking to justify your sexism by pointing to another person and saying if they can do it, so can you ... well, I'll judge you by your own words and actions, not Randi's. I'm sure you prefer to be judged on your own words rather than someone else's, no?

whore
harpie
I have no compunction about ... criticizing the way they look and dress
shrill
go get a makeover
hag

Your words. That's what I'm judging you on. Calling it a "guilty pleasure" doesn't make it any less sexist, just like having worn a veil in your past didn't make you immune from being sexist (apparently).

Unless I've grossly overestimated your intelligence, I am pretty sure you can figure out how to distinguish "being sexist" from "showing sympathy for coulter."