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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:21 PM
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Our prisons are being wasted upon petty criminals rather than,...
,...those committing major crimes against humanity.

That's all I have to say.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:24 PM
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1. And it's the major criminals who put all of the petty criminals in prison.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:35 PM
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2. Just why in the world is that?
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:38 PM
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4. Hate is very profitable.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:52 PM
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5. Yes. History is proof of that assertion. Sadly.
:cry:

BUT, the entire direction of humanity has been driven by those who offer PURE LOVE. They may have been sacrificed or assassinated or imprisoned,...but, they DROVE humanity towards decency and dignity and justice.

So, no matter how the savages weigh upon humanity, they will loose. Ultimately, they get short-term gains and long-term tickets to hell IMO.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:55 PM
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7. Because they can? nt
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:38 PM
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3. Life. This is our life.
I never imagined it, growing up, but here it is. The U.S. of A. has so many prisons, caging so many petty criminals, and the low security prisons housing what major criminals against humanity with better health care and food than tens of millions of Americans who commit no crime receive.

We live in the weirdest fucking country on the face of this earth. We do.

This is it. This is our life.

We have a government betraying its people, manipulating and using them, in order to impose control over other territories.

This is it. This is our life.

We are utilizing all our energies how to stop this insanity. That is the power we have and we use it no matter how futile it may seem.

This is it. This is our life.
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:53 PM
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6. 3 Strikes laws incite more murders
Research by UAB criminologists Tomislav Kovandzic, Ph.D., and Lynne M. Vieraitis, Ph.D., shows no evidence that prison releases lead to a significant rise in homicide rates. In fact, in a separate study, Kovandzic, Vieraitis, and fellow UAB researcher John J. Sloan III, Ph.D., found that in states with three-strikes laws, homicide rates increase an average 14 percent within three years of passage and 24 percent within five years. The results translate to about 1,300 additional homicides over five years in the states that have such laws.

“Several highly publicized murder cases and a rising crime rate in the 1980s and 1990s brought about the three-strikes laws,” Kovandzic says. “They were meant to make criminals think twice before committing new crimes. But they are not a panacea for the nation’s violent-crime problem, and, according to a growing body of scientific research, they may actually exacerbate the most serious crime: homicide.” The reason, he speculates, is that to felons on their second strike, the difference in the sentence for a third-strike crime and murder would be minimal. “When committing a nonlethal crime, a criminal might kill victims or others at the crime scene to reduce the chances that he or she will be apprehended and convicted,” says Kovandzic.

http://main.uab.edu/show.asp?durki=78147
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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:59 PM
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8. 3-Strikes Laws are targetting too broadly.
They pick up the idiots that rob the pizza delivery guy, as well as the people who have committed some heavy-duty prior crimes. This is where the judges should have more authority to sentence appropriately. Don't get me wrong, I know it's traumatic for the victims of the "lesser" serious crimes, but it is not necessarily appropriate to send the felon to prison for the rest of his or her life.
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 10:20 PM
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10. I've been doing a lot of research on this.
In the late 1920s it was called Baumes Law or X-strikes and you're out as it spread across the states. It was all a reaction the Prohibition, like the drug war is today. When the states realized the laws left the convicts nothing to lose, and because of so many prison riots, the laws were repealed or neglected. California already had an "habitual criminal" law before passing 3-strikes. It was rarely enforced.

Clarence Darrow wrote about that period in history:

In America another condition brought about a psychology that led to
all sorts of violence. While the soldiers were fighting in Europe
the United States adopted its drastic, absurd prohibition law,
which was resented by substantially half the population of the
land. In a short time the partial enforcement of this law filled
our prisons to overflowing, and many defenseless men and women were
shot down on mere suspicion. The result of all this has been what
any student of human nature or machinery of government might have
foreseen. From the time of the passage of the Eighteenth Amendment
and the Volstead Act the citizenry has waged almost open warfare.
Of course men did not stop drinking. Neither did they cease to buy
and sell. Necessarily the laws led to illicit manufacture and
importation of intoxicating liquor. This logically led to the
organization of a new industry. So long as the business was
outside the law the dealers were obliged to make laws of their own.
Customers who bought illicit liquor did not hesitate to censure and
condemn those who sold it. The law itself, with the hypocrisy that
goes with that sort of legislation, made it a crime to sell, but
left it perfectly legal to buy and to drink.

The open violence, the crowded prisons, the state of anarchy that
prohibition has brought about led to a mad and senseless crusade
against crime. New penal statutes were passed, prison terms were
lengthened, courts and juries, in obedience to the mania, convicted
defendants almost indiscriminately. Many innocent persons were
sent to prison and executed in this carnival of hate. Such
infamous acts as the Baumes Law--providing that a fourth offender
should be sent to prison for life--were passed in most of the
States. One woman in Michigan was sent to prison for life for
selling a half-pint of whiskey. Many others, whose first offenses
were committed when mere children, were sent to the penitentiaries
for life for an act that carried with it no feeling of wrongdoing.
To be sure, in this madness mistakes were made. Men and women who
were guilty of no crime often suffered the severest penalties.
Judges meted out the most outrageous sentences. New statutes
created new crimes, increased the penalties, and destroyed age-long
safeguards for freedom. Boards of parole and pardon ceased to
function. The unfortunates in prisons felt that there was no
chance for regaining liberty once the prison doors closed upon
them. This hopelessness kindled prison revolts, which led to
fearful slaughter, to the destruction of all that the years of
earnest work had done to modify conditions by building up humane
prisons, caring for juvenile offenders, and giving even the
condemned hope or opportunity once more to be free.

Title: The Story of my Life (1932)
Author: Clarence Darrow
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Lady President Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:59 PM
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9. Especially all the drug offenses
I can't imagine the amount of money this country would save by sending drug users to rehab. I'm on the fence regarding legalizing drugs, but our current system is certainly broken.
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