Caller challenges Wash Journal tool to ask Pipes about Project Clean Break

[Gabi Hayes]

Daniel Pipes is on now.

I wonder if he'll ask him about it

he started out by reading an editorial from the Washington Times, then an article (which he said he'd only read THERE) that said the Isrealis think that the head of Hizbollah his hiding in the Iranian Embassy! what a shock that he'd find that only in the Times!

the caller mentioned that he'd only heard about Project Clean Break on AAR, in conjunction with PNAC.

he wanted the host to promise to ask him about that.

the host ignored him completely, and just went to the next caller, without responding at all

what is Project Clean Break?

guess I could google it

[Gabi Hayes]

1. "A Clean Break", by Doug Feith and other familiar names

Feith is also well known for his participation, along with neoconservative big wigs Richard Perle and David Wurmser, in penning a 1996 study organized by the Israel-based Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies that urged scrapping the then-ongoing peace process. The study, titled “A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm,” advised Prime Minister-elect Netanyahu “to work closely with Turkey and Jordan to contain, destabilize, and roll back” regional threats, to help overthrow Hussein, and to strike “Syrian military targets in Lebanon” and possibly in Syria proper.

.......


As guiding principles for a new framework of Israeli-U.S. policy in the Middle East, the report advocated that the new Likud government do the following:

*Change the nature of its relations with the Palestinians, including upholding the right of hot pursuit for self defense into all Palestinian areas and nurturing alternatives to Yasir Arafat's exclusive grip on Palestinian society.

*Forge a new basis for relations with the United States stressing self-reliance, maturity, strategic cooperation on areas of mutual concern, and furthering values inherent to the West.

*Forge a peace process and strategy based on an entirely new intellectual foundation, one that restores strategic initiative and provides the nation the room to engage every possible energy on rebuilding Zionism, the starting point of which must be economic reform.


By 1997, Feith and other right-wing Zionists in the United States were expressing their disappointment that the Netanyahu government had not “dismantled the Oslo process,” as Feith wrote in Commentary, the neoconservative magazine of the American Jewish Committee. Feith then outlined a radical break with what he characterized as the “peace now” framework of negotiations. Instead, Feith recommended that Netanyahu fulfill his “peace through strength” campaign promise. “Repudiating Oslo would compel Israel, first and foremost, to undo the grossest of the errors inherent in the accords: the arming of scores of thousands of PA ‘policemen',” he wrote in his Commentary article. Feith also asserted that the “PA's security force has succeeded primarily in aggravating Israel's terrorism problem.” What is more, Feith argued for Israel “to deflate expectations of imminent peace” and to “preach sobriety and defense.” But it was not until a new Likud government was formed under Ariel Sharon, and when Feith and other Zionists such as Paul Wolfowitz, Elliott Abrams, and Michael Rubin, together with militarists such as Rumsfeld and Cheney, took over control of Middle East policy during the Bush II administration, that Israel, supported by the United States, made a “clean break” from the Oslo framework.

Typical of other neoconservatives, in public statements Feith has not referred to his Zionist convictions. Rather, in congressional testimony and in op-eds in major media, Feith has argued that U.S. policy in the Middle East should be guided by concerns about human rights and democracy. Israel, according to this side of Feith, should never enter into good-faith negotiations with Arab countries or the PA because they are not democratic. Moreover, human rights violations in Syria, Iran, and Iraq justify aggressive U.S. and Israeli policies aimed at ousting undemocratic and repressive regimes. Israeli occupations are justified in the name of ensuring the national security of democratic Israel. (See, for example, Feith's testimony before the U.S. House Human Rights Caucus, April 24, 1991.)

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1146

[malaise]

2. Watching but waiting for Zogby n/t

[Gabi Hayes]

4. Pipes just got nailed by a caller.....she said he's a war criminal!

then he calmly misstates the origins of the war, saying it began with the "kidnapping" of the Israeli soldiers, and construes the call as espousing a conspiracy theory. they're very good at that. too bad the callers aren't allowed to follow up, and call the lying liars on their lies

hard to listen to this lying crook, but I do want to see if the host dares to ask him about A Clean Break.

[malaise]

3. That English caller

caught him big time. Did he say he was not there and then named someone on a panel with him?

[Gabi Hayes]

5. I missed that.....Pipes is one of the very worst, btw. he's got his dirty

mitts in many many pies, one the not unimportant ones being his attempts to completely stifle college campus discussion of Israel's role in the Middle East conflict, and force ANY college professor who doesn't toe the AIPAC line out of his job

think I'm exaggerating? look it up....he's tied in very closely with David Horowitz on this

[Gabi Hayes]

6. Feith calls Pipes his greatest influence, begins teaching job

at Georgetown while he awaits indictment. bet he REALLY REALLY REALLY works hard to keep both houses of congress in pug hands

http://www.tpmcafe.com/node/30175

[Gabi Hayes]

7. caller just told Pipes that EVERYBODY in the world told us not to

invade Iraq, and that it would be a disaster if we did

he forgot one country that didn't tell us not to.....

Pipes answers second part of question, calling the US the ONLY ally Israel has, as part of answer to question about why Israel has always been abused by every country in the world for thousands of years

I don't think he's going to touch the Iraq invasion

[Gabi Hayes]

8. what a surprise....he 'forgot' to deal with the invasion of Iraq

wonder why

[chimpymustgo]

9. Pipes is FILTH. And a TRAITOR. He is evil incarnate.

I had to turn away from WJ. He is a contamination.

[NNN0LHI]

10. Pipes was on C-SPAN with his normal anti-Muslim spiel one day and a...

...caller asked Pipes what his faith was.

He wouldn't answer.

Don

[Emit]

11. Oh man, these last two callers

'Do you have dual citizenship' (Israeli/US)? and 'this Chickenhawk like this guy right here...."!

[Gabi Hayes]

12. damn! missed em both...can you amplify a little, please?

please?

did he just let them pass without comment?

[malaise]

14. Zogby on now n/t

[Gabi Hayes]

15. wish he'd say more about how many lies Pipes told

what a surprise....host didn't ask about "A Clean Break," co-authored by Pipes acolyte Doug Feith!

[malaise]

20. Well he has time

so hopefully he will.

[Emit]

21. I'm enjoying listening to Zogby -- explaining the Arab issue

"Why can't you just put your history aside? -- You can't out your history aside, why should we?" Zogby speaking of an Israeli official who said that to him about the Arabs, and Zogby's response. He articulates and sums up what has happened with the Arabs in the ME for over a century -- tx for alerting me that he would be up next.

[malaise]

23. He's very good n/t

[Emit]

19. The first caller said basically

that everything he sees written/spoken by Pipes is about Israel -- then very calmly asked, inferring to Pipe's loyalty, about whether he had a dual citizenship -- Pipes said, after a long pause, "No...I do not..." Edited to add here that there was that slight implication of anti-Semitism in a question Pipes put back to the caller, something like, "I don't know why you are asking this...." Then, got a little defensive and started rambling about his expertise lying in the area of Islamic studies, that most of his books are about Syria, Islam, etc. That he speaks Arabic not Hebrew and that he lived in Egypt for three years. He said he wasn't Jewish and continued to deny that he focuses his efforts on Israel more than other countries in the ME.


With regard to the other caller -- that was kind of a quick call in from a guy who basically just said US should not get into this conflict -- and then referred to "this chickenhawk here" and called Pipes out for "just wanting to bring on more war..." (or something to that effect) It was great. Then the caller hung up. To be honest, I was so amused, that, I cannot recall what Pipe's response was to this. I'm sorry -- I did hear him say something about US needing to support Israel -- that this should be our role, etc. More of the same we've been hearing -- (e.g., It's Our War - Krystol) But, can't recall details -- didn't catch that he even made a response to the chickenhawk remark.

I love, though, how he was trying to remain all calm and cool and collected and scholarly like in the midst of these callers who just nailed his ass. It is really quite laughable.

[Gabi Hayes]

22. thanks...that's the real weakness of the show: callers not being

able to converse

I've seen this guy lose it before, and I think it was on Wash Journal, too.

maybe he's learned his lesson

amazing that stuff about how he denigrates his own area of expertise, in service of his fealty to his true masters

[Gabi Hayes]

13. If I could get in I'd ask him this:

Mr.Pipes, let me ask you why you have a beard. Wait! I already know the answer: it's because you can't bear to look at yourself in the mirror every day--you'd die of shame.

[burythehatchet]

16. ...and Gaffney

[Emit]

17. Also noted a comment Pipes made much earlier in the discussion

Just a quick comment he made about Iran and something to the effect that the Iranians aren't going to give up because they believe that the end times are near -- anyone else catch that? Typical neocon -- using religion to manipulate and obfuscate issues. Uh, Mr. Pipes, wasn't that you here pandering to the Christian fanatics who are ushering in their own end time beliefs?:

Today, such views are most strongly held in Israel by right-wing political parties, and in America by Jewish supporters of the Israeli settlement movement and evangelical Christians, who have found common cause with the hard-line aspects of the pro-Israel lobby. Those groups were well represented at the Interfaith Zionist Leadership Summit, which began May 17 at the Omni Shoreham hotel in Washington D.C. Pipes was greeted there as a celebrity, receiving standing ovations before and after his speech.

http://www.motherjones.com/news/update/2003/05/we_420_01.html?welcome=true

[Gabi Hayes]

18. I missed that, but I did hear him say the Iranians had a line on their

budget dedicated to Hizbollah...they might have it, but if he told me the moon orbits the earth, I'd go check the tides, or something

he also DID say that Christian Zionists in the US are Israel's best supporters, or something close to that.

cynical creep that he is, he knows very well that they're using the Israelis just as the Zionists are playing the dolts like Robertson, Falwell, Rove, etal, and they're SO far ahead in the game that it's just about over

unless, of course, end times are truly in the offing

[Emit]

24. OMG!

Maybe I should stop listening now -- open phones. Arrghhh.... "If Syria was such a great place, why did the Zogby's come to America...Zogby lost all credibility when he did his polls in 2004 showing the Dems were in favor when it turned out they all lost -- (or something to that effect....) " Anyone else still listening?

[Gabi Hayes]

25. it's very hard to listen to those segments....most callers, left and right

are very inarticulate, to say the least

and the wingnuts are very often clinically hebrephrenic schizoids, badly in need of their thorazine

[Emit]

26. He's baaa-aack...

on CSPAN -- Pipes at a Heritage Foundation lecture. Talking again about how the Israeli's should be "growling...."

As much as I like CSPAN, seems they're always overloading on these guys. Didn't we get enough of this crap earlier?

I'm definitely turning it off this time. No more self-inflicted pain.