There Needs To Be A Concerted, Organized Effort To Do To "Republican"

[Beetwasher]

What was done to "liberal". And there's never been a better time.

Repubs are running from their own party and hiding the fact that they are Repubs:

http://www.hillnews.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/072706/news4.html

The Dems need to pouunce on this: "Why Is Candidate "X" ASHAMED and AFRAID You'll Know
He's a Republican? Why does he hide this fact from voters?"

Republicans SHOULD be ashamed, they should be embarrassed. The word "Republican" should be a derogatory term from here on out and there needs to an organized, concerted effort on the part of the Dems to make this happen and make it stick. It's a once in a lifetime opportunity to completely reframe the debate and tie "Republican" w/ greed and incompetence and disastrous policies. The word "Republican" should be said w/ scorn. Whenever someone does something horrible the proper response should be "what are you a Republican or something?".

[Rosco T.]

1. Like I said the other day, I no longer say "Republican"

I say "Bushrepublican".

All one word.

Hanging him like an albratoss around their necks.

[drm604]

3. I think I disagree with that tactic.

It sounds like you're differentiating Bushrepublicans from run of the mill Republicans. "Oh, I'm a Republican but I'm not a Bush Republican". Don't seperate them out, they're all Republicans and they're all associated with Bush.

[Rosco T.]

15. Nope... they say "Republican" I come right back with "Bushrepublican"

I Don't let them disassociate themselves... I give them the "Bush has the house, senate, scotus and presidency.. and look what your part has done with it... the Bushrepublican party is the one-and-all and responsible for this disaster of (whatever the subject is)"

and it's been working well, cuts them down to size quickly.

[Norquist Nemesis]

17. I just say "Con". n/t

[mrreowwr_kittty]

67. I agree with that

I can't stand these so-called moderate Republicans who try to distance themselves from the mouth-breathing, bigoted, ignoramuses that comprise the "base". Eff that noise! I tell them sorry, but those are your people. Your homies. You pull the R lever in the voting booth, you are in league with warmongers, fascists, racists, misogynists, and homophobes.

Some Republicans exist in this shielded bubble of social liberalism, particularly in more affluent communities. They don't encounter the Tim McVeighs and Fred Phelpses in their daily lives. They feel like cool contrarians when they argue with the only politically aware people they know, who tend to be liberal Democrats. They're deluded.

[tabasco]

2. I say it all the time to everybody.

Anybody who still calls themselves a republican after seeing what the corrupt cabal has done to our country in the last six years is an idiot or a TRAITOR.

Liberals want to do what is good for ALL the poeple, not just corporations.

[abluelady]

5. But Don't You Know

that what is good for corporations is good for the people.:sarcasm: My husband's corporation laid him off after 25 years as he neared 60--they knew he wanted to retire. :puke:

[tabasco]

8. I'm so sad to hear how working people are getting the shaft.

They would have us be slaves, and themselves kings and queens, if we allowed it.

[Ganja Ninja]

4. Exactly!

I don't understand people that want to try and separate Conservatives from Republicans from Neo-Cons from Evangelicals from Fascists from Bigots. It's six of one and a half dozen of the other as far as I'm concerned.

[ProfessorGAC]

6. I've Tried Mightily. . .

. . .to refer to "the Radical Right" rather than republicans. In LTTE's, in conversation, etc. Rather than demonize the term republican, i'm trying to marginalize it by referring to the whole party as the root cause of the problem, and that is the right wing radicals in that party.

Not all Dems were liberals, but they used liberal to redefine democrat. I think it wise to redefine Repub as "radical right".
The Professor

[Beetwasher]

7. Time To Go For Broke, IMO

and make "Republican" a dirty word. By running away from their own party and not wanting to even mention the word "Republican" on their web pages, they are doing a large part of the work for us. It's not "Radical right" they are hiding from, it's their own party affiliation, "Republican"! It just has to be pointed out, repeatedly. They have to be put on the spot and ASKED: "Are you a Republican? Why are you hiding that fact? Are you ashamed? I can understand why you would be."

[ProfessorGAC]

9. But, The Other Side Didn't Make "Democrat" The Dirty Word

They made the word "liberal" into a perjorative. It's not the party they demonized, as much as the underlying philosophy. That's why i think we need to do the same. Besides, the alliteration of radical right, i think, works as a soundbite. At the same time, we agree on one thing 100%: I will not accept that there are "radical" repubs, and moderate repubs.

In order to properly frame the debate on terms they cannot defuse, they ALL have to be painted with the radical brush. The radicals have taken over that party, and if a "moderate" isn't FIGHTING tooth and nail to take back the party from those nutjobs, then they are not moderates at all, and they deserve to be painted as radicals, too!

So, really we're agreeing. There is just a modest difference in approach.
The Professor

[Beetwasher]

11. Yeah, But I Think We Should Take It The Extra Mile

And go right for the throat as it were and destroy the word "Republican". When you're opponent is drowning, throw him an anchor.

The situation is a bit different then their concerted effort to derogatize "liberal". Dems weren't running from their own party affiliation, or even from the word "liberal" UNTIL the demonization of "liberal" started to come into it's own. Now, we have Republicans running from their own party affiliation, and it's all pretty much of their own doing because of their disastrous policies. Time to throw them an anchor and help them along.

Actually, it should work in tandem w/ what your saying. Part of the derogatization of "Republican" would be anchoring it to "radical right" as well.

[ProfessorGAC]

12. Then Both It Is!

I'll steal from you, you steal from me! Gotta do something!
The Professor

[Beetwasher]

13. Indeed!

The more the merrier!

[madokie]

10. Just having a republican moment we should say when we screw up

lots of fun can be had with this concept
I am going to do something republican today
that so and so has to be a republican
was that a republican thing to do or what
and on and on

[ComerPerro]

14. even in KS and MO, Republican candidates are identifying

themselves as "conservative", never ever, not even once, saying "Republican".

[Sadie5]

16. They ought to be ashamed

that they have screwed up this country as bad as they have. No wonder they won't even identify themselves in political ads. By not telling their party they hope to stay in office and continue with their dirty work. Conservative=Bush republican

[ComerPerro]

18. The new meme among conservatives (although I've heard it for a while)

its becoming more widespread though, is

"Bush isn't a true conservative."

Bullshit.

Bush does everything I expect a conservative to do.

And besides, no one is a true conservative, because its impossible to be one.

their entire ideology is a lie.

[BuhByeChimp]

19. How about we promote Democratic ideals instead?

It would be a refreshing change.

[Beetwasher]

20. Heh, We Already Do

Unless you're not paying attention. There's no reason why we can't and SHOULD do both. There's absolutely nothing wrong w/ pointing out the utter, abject failure of Republicans while presenting the better alternative. As a matter of fact, it is their duty to do just that. The Republicans are total and complete corrupt, incompetent, criminal failures and it needs to be said over and over.

[BuhByeChimp]

21. I disagree

We don't need to repeat it over and over and there definately needs to be a little more civility in the responses.

Its true people are getting fed up with Republicans, but they aren't much interested in listening to Democrats anymore either.

[Beetwasher]

22. Bullshit

What a load of utter crap. The Republicans built their whole party around NOTHING BUT negative and deceptive attacks on Democrats and their attacks were NOTHING BUT LIES. Attacking Dems worked WONDERS for them and it was all lies. We attack them w/ the truth AND offer a better alternative that has been PROVEN to work (Remember Clinton and all that peace and prosperity?).

Maybe you can't chew gum and walk at the same time, but that's your problem.

"Its true people are getting fed up with Republicans, but they aren't much interested in listening to Democrats anymore either."

Says you. That's why Dems are leading in every single poll by double digits, huh? Because people aren't listening? On what planet?

[BuhByeChimp]

23. Calm down.

Your response is the type of harsh response that needs to be more controlled.

You aren't going to open anyones eyes to the truth using those tactics.

Since you are saying you can do both, offer me some of your suggestions on your course of action.

[Beetwasher]

24. Since I'm Not The Democratic Party, Or A Politician I'll Be As Harsh As I

damn well please.

It's attitudes like yours that are the problem. "Let's play nice and just offer our plans while the Republicans lie and cheat and smear and WIN." Fuck that. It's time to kick them in the nuts when they are down and keep kicking. It's the ONLY way Dems will actually get the opportunity to implement their policies to clean up the Republicans fucking mess. The Dems have to get some power back FIRST and to do that, they have to fight, and fight hard and point out what a bunch of incompetent douchebags the Republicans are.

[BuhByeChimp]

26. Well, good luck to you in your endeavor then.

I'll continue to promote what I believe to be my ideals, which are much more moderate, in a civil manner offering solutions and talking with Republicans as equals.

I neither hate Republicans or President Bush I just disagree with them on some issues.

Hopefully Israel and Hezbollah don't refuse to be more civil as you have.

[Beetwasher]

27. Go Ahead, It's Worked So Well

I mean, look where we've gotten being civil. Look where they've gotten NOT being civil. :eyes:

Yeah, "Moderate" my ass. That's a just a code word Republicans use to try to get Dems to roll over and be nice while they viciously beat them w/ a club.

[BuhByeChimp]

29. Its worked for me.

Talking to voters I've been very succesful by being nice.

I can't tell you how many times people have commented to me they are tired of hearing the political bashing back and forth between the two parties and are refreshed to listen to issues instead.

I do understand you feel that the Republicans have walked over you and I also understand this is a message board and your actual response in public is undoubtedly more civil, but I'd ask that you not drive a wedge in between the two parties by having absolutist values.

[Beetwasher]

32. I'm Not Talking About Talking To Individual Voters

I'm talking about Dem PARTY and campaign strategy.

"...but I'd ask that you not drive a wedge in between the two parties by having absolutist values."

:rofl:

I got news for you, it's too late. The side w/ the absolutist values (the repubs) has already driven and irreversible wedge between "us and them" and there's NO reasoning w/ them. They would round us all up and have us shot if they could (see Anne Coulter). They're goal is the UTTER OBLITERATION of anyone who is not on their side. They started it, they continue it and they will ALWAYS be like that. I'm not calling for their utter destruction, but it's way past time to continue playing nicey nice. They need to be exposed for the utter cowards, criminals and incompetents they are and the time is right to do it now.

[Misunderestimator]

30. You disagree with Bush on "some issues." Which do you AGREE on then?

[BuhByeChimp]

31. The following

The war in Iraq and abortion. Pretty much every other issue I'm at odds with him on, well at least the issues I can think off of the top of my head. Undoubtedly there are other things I agree with him on.

[Misunderestimator]

33. So you think the war in Iraq is great, and that women should be controlled

by the government? H'okay then.

[BuhByeChimp]

34. Not at all.

I don't think the war is great. But on abortion, I'm very rigidly against it and I offer no apologies for my stance.

[Name removed]

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[BuhByeChimp]

48. lol, not the Dems you would support

Lieberman thinks generally the same way I do if that would give you a more accurate assessment of my line of thinking, except on abortion. I've got my own reasons for being against it.

I don't vote on a single issue though, so although I'm an absolutist on abortion, I'm not that way when determining my voting pattern.

[Beetwasher]

51. Yes, Figured You Would Bring Up Lieberman

Why am I not surprised he's your kinda guy. He is after all Chimpy's favorite Dem.

[BuhByeChimp]

54. Well, me and Chimpy have that in common then.

[Beetwasher]

56. Yes, I Know

Why do I get the feeling there's more? So, what exactly are the qualities that you think makes you a Dem? What do you disagree w/ Chimpy about?

[BuhByeChimp]

59. There is more.

I've stated in my other posts in this thread that I have other stuff in common with Bush.

I'm not hiding anything.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

61. And for that we are grateful. Makes things a lot easier. -nt

[Beetwasher]

63. "I'm not hiding anything."

:rofl:

Really? You certainly are hiding quite well whatever qualities you have that you think makes you a Democrat.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

69. If you think carefully you'll realize he's telling the truth on that. -nt

[Beetwasher]

70. Indeed!

n/t

[Misunderestimator]

72. Ding ding.

Yes, indeed, I think you're right.

[Misunderestimator]

64. Other "stuff" in common... but you said "just" abortion. What else?

[BuhByeChimp]

68. You would really have to be more specific.

In what you would want me to admit I have in common with him.

I'm human and live on the planet Earth. We have that in common. What specific subjects are you wanting to know about?

[Misunderestimator]

71. Oh don't be so coy... clearly I meant political positions.

Like tax breaks... like environmental policies... like NCLB... like the DOMA... you know, stuff like that.

[BuhByeChimp]

75. Thats better!

Lets see, I'll go with what I disagree with him on.

I disagree on stem cell research rigidly. I disagree on minimum wage fairly rigidly as well.

I'm still against the Tax breaks, but not as much as I was originally. As much as I disagreed with it on principal, it does appear to have been somewhat effective for the overall prosperity of the country.

I'm actually not really sure what Bushs stance on the environment is, but I can say that I believe global warming is occuring and actions need to be taken. What those actions are, I have nothing to add in regards to that question.

I'm a proponent of global health care, which is at odds to bush as well.

Thats just a sampling of my line of thinking, but then again I'm pretty fluid in what I think and do change my opinion occasionally.

[Beetwasher]

80. Finally

"I disagree on stem cell research rigidly. I disagree on minimum wage fairly rigidly as well."

Good! So it's ok to "kill" embryo's for that but abortion is bad? Ok, whatever, it's your hypocrisy.

"I'm still against the Tax breaks, but not as much as I was originally. As much as I disagreed with it on principal, it does appear to have been somewhat effective for the overall prosperity of the country."

Oh dear. Somewhat effective? Err, no, they've been disastrous. Unmitigatedly disastrous. Have you seen the deficit figures? That's because of the tax cuts. Your great grand children will be paying that off. Just because the deficit isn't as big as this admin. initially predicted means nothing. That was slight of hand. If I know I'm going to have to borrow a $1,000 a year from you for the next 10 years, but I lie and tell you I'm going to have to borrow $2,000 a year from you for the next 20, and then when it's time to get the money from you and I tell you "Hey, I'm only going to need $1,000 a year for ten years!" is that really better? No, because I lied to you in the first place. That's what this admin. did. Don't be fooled.

"I'm actually not really sure what Bushs stance on the environment is, but I can say that I believe global warming is occuring and actions need to be taken. What those actions are, I have nothing to add in regards to that question."

Oh my. You don't know what his stance is? Have you been paying attention? Smash, grab, slash and burn doesn't even begin to do his "stance" justice. He's essentially reversed just about every reasonable regulation on industry imaginable from protecting clean water to making sure you have disease-free meat and would have no problems sinking an oil well in your bedroom and pumping the pollution down your throat.

"I'm a proponent of global health care, which is at odds to bush as well."

Good, it seems you're not quite as far gone as I initially suspected.

[BuhByeChimp]

82. lol

"Good, it seems you're not quite as far gone as I initially suspected."

Well, you made me laugh, so I can't think your as far gone as I suspected either!

[Misunderestimator]

83. His tax breaks were effective for the overall prosperity of the country?!?

Care to share HOW?

Bush doesn't believe in Global warming, so I guess you disagree with him. It's absolutely astounding to me that you are "not really sure" what his stance on the environment is. I think it's one of the things he's made very clear.

What do you think of the Defense of Marriage Act?

I won't even go into why:

"I disagree on stem cell research rigidly. I disagree on minimum wage fairly rigidly as well."

It's already clear that you don't belong here. :hi:

[BuhByeChimp]

88. ok

I'm not sure on his exact stance on Global Warming because I've not listened to him about the issue or researched his goals on the subject. I'm not going to pretend I have like most people do on here.

I'm against the defense of Marriage act, really nothing to debate there.

"I disagree on stem cell research rigidly. I disagree on minimum wage fairly rigidly as well."

I think you have misrepresented my quote. If you read it in the context I posted it on you would know I'm saying I disagree with the President on those issues meaning I'm for both of them. The stem cell research issue was my motivation for my Handle. I was particularly pissed off at him because of the issue.

I'm against abortion but can't comprehend how allowing stem cell research is going to be harmful or morally wrong, I mean why let them go to waste? Does the President think people will specifically get pregnant so they can create more stem cells?

[Beetwasher]

73. That's Ass Backwards, Only YOU Know What You Have In Common W/ Him

Should we categorically list every single issue in existence? :eyes:

How about this, why don't you asnwer the question I've put to you several times already: What make YOU think YOU'RE a Democrat? So far, you've not offered a single issue in which you DISAGREE w/ Chimpy. Why don't you start w/ that?

[BuhByeChimp]

77. I just listed some in response to a cooler head.

Now answer me this, what do you have in common with an outstanding Democrat John Kennedy?

[Beetwasher]

81. Irrelevant

n/t

[Misunderestimator]

52. Ack! Lieberman!!

:rofl:

[Swamp Rat]

84. I think we should change the law to force you to adopt every non-aborted

baby.

[BuhByeChimp]

87. I would be OK with that.

I'd find a home for them.

[Misunderestimator]

49. So what about the war in Iraq do you support?

[Touchdown]

78. Funny, how you come to that conclusion.

Chimpy's had full control of the entire Government for 4 years, and Abortion is still legal. It seems what he says, and what he really believes are two different things. Would that be "Flip-flopping"? You are down to 1 thing to agree with him on, because he anything but right to life.

[BuhByeChimp]

79. Well, thats not exactly true.

He is indeed against abortion, but he isn't as all powerful that he can outlaw abortion nor would I want him to have that type of power.

[Beetwasher]

35. Heh, Thought So

:eyes:

No wonder you want Dems to play nice.

[BuhByeChimp]

37. Not the reason at all.

I want people to be more civil because to not even consider it an option can only lead to misery for everyone.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

39. My, how "kumbaya."

Do you really think the Republicans have been winning by being civil?

[BuhByeChimp]

40. Not really

Do you think Israel is winning by not being civil?

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

42. What does THAT have to do with ANYTHING?

Please get back to the subject.

[BuhByeChimp]

46. Its just a comparison in a line of thinking.

So do you think Israel has more to gain by being civil or by not being civil?

[Beetwasher]

50. It's An Idiotic Line Of Thinking Actually

And irrelevant to discussing political campaign strategy. Was Chimpy "civil" when he invaded Iraq for no reason? Is it "civil" to call Dems traitors or to tell the press they better watch what they say and do? Is Dick Cheney civil when he shoots people in the face w/ a shotgun? How about the civility of outing CIA operatives for political reasons? Give me a fucking break.

[BuhByeChimp]

57. Well how about you answer the question then?

You've been asking me plenty of questions that I've willingly answered, how about you take a turn?

Do you think Israel has more to gain by being civil or by not being civil?

[Beetwasher]

60. No, I Will Not Be Sidetracked By Your Bullshit Strawmen

Israel is not a Repub or a Dem and it's irrelevant to this conversation.

[Misunderestimator]

65. There are hundreds of threads discussing Israel and Lebanon... not this

one.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

58. I've been talking about Israel vs. Lebanon in lots of places

But this really isn't one. This is about American politics.

[BuhByeChimp]

62. True.

there are plenty of threads on the Israel subject. Was just using it as means of defense for my particular stance on the issue of this thread.

I'll drop that comparison.

[Beetwasher]

43. Really? We TRIED CIvil

Look where it got us: misery for everyone, except Chimpy and his ilk.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

47. Waitasec.

Bush was right in invading Iraq? Why, because thay had WMDs or because Iraq was involved in 9/11?

[BuhByeChimp]

53. For a number of reasons.

My main reason for support was in the removing of an evil regime. To a lesser extent it was because of his defiance to U.N. resolutions repeatedly.

[Name removed]

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[Swamp Rat]

85. Then get your ass to Iraq and fight like a man!

[Swamp Rat]

86. Then get your ass to Iraq and fight like a man!

[Kickin_Donkey]

25. Good idea, except we don't have the media ...

It's been a decades-long, concerted effort by the Pukes to take over the media -- the so-called mainstream television networks, radio chains like Clear Channel, right-wing vanity publishing houses, shill "think" tanks, the destruction of PBS and NPR, all the talking heads from Russert to Rush, their very own network in Faux, propaganda sheets like the Washington Times, New York Post, the Wall Street Journal editorial page, even the WashPost and NY Whore Times and establishment magazines like Newsweek and Time.

We just don't have an echo chamber like that. We have ideas and memes, but no way to dessimate those things like the Pukes do. In my book, it's all about the media and a level playing field.

[Beetwasher]

28. I Agree That's a BIG part of the Problem

But right now there ARE strides being made and the Republican echo chamber is being exposed because of the MASSIVE disconnect from reality. Even WITH the echo chamber the Dems are making serious gains.

[yurbud]

36. Yep: republican & conservative should equal corrupt & cronies

[yurbud]

38. to fine tune this, put stink on some of their pet ideas like privatization

and deregulation.

They are forms of corruption that have nothing to do with the public interests, and as we have seen here in California, when you deregulate essential services like electricity, energy companies are perfectly willing to turn off the power and blackmail a whole state.

You want to scare the shit out of people, tell them the republicans want to do that with water too. They do.


The good news is, their privatization scheme worked so well in Bolivia their president and Bechtel were literally run out of the country.

That needs to happen here too, but maybe with some tar and feathers involved too.

[catmandu57]

41. There is a reptile running here

calling itself "the responsible repubican" normally I don't pay attention to political ads especially reptilian ads, but I couldn't get to the remote to mute out the noise, when I heard responsible republican I just about died laughing.

edit: spelling

[Beetwasher]

44. Now That IS Funny!

:rofl:

[laruemtt]

66. call them the Radical Wrong. n/t

[Cleita]

74. I once suggested that we put adjectives in front of

concervative like they do to liberal, like latte liberals and headband liberals, etc..

I suggested we should call them pasty faced conservatives, theiving conservatives, rapture conservatives, guns and Jesus conservatives...well you get the idea.

I was jumped on because WE don't lower ourselves to that. Well if we don't get down on their level for a fight, we won't win. It's like trying to win a battle with bows and arrows while the enemy is using automatic rifles.

[marions ghost]

76. absolutely

'Republican' should become a dirty word that no self-respecting person would want to be associated with.

Considering what they've done to the country as the most powerful political body ever, it shouldn't be too hard.