Condi: "It is time for a new Middle East"

[laura888]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/27/AR2006072701220.html

Here's her full statement:

"It is time for a new Middle East. It is time to say to those who do not want a different kind of Middle East that we will prevail, they will not."


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In this WP editorial, it sums up Condi's statement to a sort of la-la land dream.

However, it seems clear to me that what she is outlining instead, clearly, and without wanting to hide it, is the PNAC vision. Of using the U.S. military might to bring about massive changes in the ME.

I seem to remember that this was outlined by the PNAC as far back as 10 years ago.

[Demeter]

1. It's Time For A New Secretary of State, and her boss can go, too.

[babylonsister]

2. Who made the US the arbiters of Mideast politics? The hubris

of these loons is disgusting.

[burythehatchet]

10. speaking of which

Impreial Hubris is a pretty good read.

[Jacobin]

3. OMG

And she's gonna tell 'em what kinda M.E. they're gonna have and if they don't like it, she's gonna blow 'em ta bits.

Secretary of State, eh?


:rofl:

:rofl:

We are gonna so get our butts kicked if we try any more of this militaristic crap in M.E.

[Ezlivin]

4. Confusing constipation with birth pangs

We'll only have shit when this crisis is through.

[soleft]

5. It's time for a new United States is what its fucking time for

[Gabi Hayes]

6. thanks for link! the host on Wash Journal actually read about half!

It was Rice who spent her trip categorically ruling out a quick cease-fire, which made one wonder if she really needed to travel at all, since she could have just thumbed out a text message: "2 soon 2 stop boom boom."

[tabasco]

7. The Middle East they want is neverending war.

The fat cats would sit back nice and comfy at their Montana ranches getting richer and richer.

Lots of people are dying to make the rich richer.

[The Cleaner]

8. ABSOLUTELY!!

Bush has been saying this for YEARS now. I distinctly remember his overt statements regarding "remaking" the middle east. I was baffled by it, because it was tantamount to an admission of agressive war all over that region care of America.

[Norquist Nemesis]

9. "It's time for a new North America"

Good grief! Can anyone imagine the SOS of another country stepping up to the mic and saying that?

[Tellurian]

11. A little discovery has unearthed a puzzle piece for the new ME Plan

Bush and his Crusaders plan to roll over to the ME to expose
the Muslims to Christianity. That will be the last staw for
the US.

a short excerpt sure to make your hair stand on end:

Evangelicals Plan to Minister to Iraqis' Needs—Physical and Spiritual


By Mark O'Keefe, Religion News Service |

posted 03/27/2003

Two leading evangelical Christian relief and missionary organizations say they have teams of workers poised to enter Iraq to address the physical and spiritual needs of its large Muslim population.

The Southern Baptist Convention, the largest Protestant denomination in the United States, and the Rev. Franklin Graham's Samaritan's Purse said Tuesday that workers are near the Iraq border in Jordan and are ready to go in as soon as it is safe. The relief and missionary work is certain to be closely watched because both Graham and the Southern Baptist Convention have been at the heart of controversial evangelical denunciations of Islam, the world's second-largest religion.

Richard Cizik, vice president for governmental affairs of the National Association of Evangelicals, is urging caution for the two groups, as well as other evangelical organizations planning to go into Iraq."Evangelicals need to be sensitive to the circumstances of this country and its people," said Cizik, based in Washington. "If we are perceived as opportunists, we only hurt our cause. If this is seen as religious freedom for Iraq by way of gunboat diplomacy, is that helpful? I don't think so. If that's the perception, we lose."

Graham, the son of legendary evangelist Billy Graham, has been less diplomatic about Islam than his father has been. Two months after the Sept. 11 attacks, Franklin Graham called Islam "a very evil and wicked religion" during an interview on NBC, the television network. In his book published last year, The Name, Graham wrote that "The God of Islam is not the God of the Christian faith." He went on to say that "the two are different as lightness and darkness."

On the eve of the Southern Baptist Convention in St. Louis last year, the Rev. Jerry Vines, a former denomination president, told several thousand delegates that Islam's Allah is not the same as the God worshipped by Christians. "And I will tell you Allah is not Jehovah, either. Jehovah's not going to turn you into a terrorist," Vines said.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2003/112/45.0.html

[smacky44]

12. So, the God of Ishmael is not the same God of Issac?

the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob is two different Gods? Three?

[The Cleaner]

19. Wikipedia states the following:

Centuries before Muhammad, the word "Allah" was used by pagan tribes in the Arabian peninsula to signify the chief deity in the Kaaba in Mecca. Along with Allah, the pre-Islamic Arabs believed in a host of other gods, such as Hubal and 'daughters of Alla¯h' " (Encyclopedia of World Mythology and Legend, "The Facts on File", ed. Anthony Mercatante, New York, 1983, I:61). (Pre-Islamic Jews referred to their supreme creator as Yahweh or Elohim.)

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah

So it appears that the title "Allah" was simply adapted from the chief idol in the Kaaba at the time when Islam arose and declared the end of pantheism and the beginning of monotheism.

The difference is clear. Judeo-Christianity has always claimed one God, but Islam arose out of an environment of the worship of many gods.

[FUGW]

21. So did the Jewish religion, remember what happened when Moses

returned with the ten commandments.

[The Cleaner]

23. The ancient Jews did fall into the worship of false gods,

such as the golden calf.

However there is nowhere in their tradition where it was accepted as a cultural norm. If you look in the Old Testament/Torah Jews did not arise out of an environment of the worship of multiple, specific gods. There was always one God, Yahweh, from Genesis onward.

The Ten Commandments was God's law to mankind because mankind had gotten out of control. So we have the one God from Genesis onward, mankind screws up, God gives them the Ten Commandments.

[The Cleaner]

13. This is precisely why Christians supported the Iraq war

as Jesus' command to spread the Gospel. I heard this at the time - they really thought, "Great! That will open the door for the Gospel in Iraq."

Crusader mentality FOR SURE!! I wonder if they see the error of their ways? I wonder if they ever will?

[madokie]

14. sorry condi, but they have a right to life just as we do

if you idiots in the wh would listen to their grievances maybe you would understand the problem is not or wasn't before you all came along, unsolvable. diplomacy is not you all's strong point, if fact what is except dictate.

[laura888]

18. Our biggest grievance is that they occupy their land. n/t

[madokie]

20. so true, all of our history, our oil, our treasures

[mogster]

15. We want a different regime in the US, Condi

It's time for a new USA and you're not invited :-)

[calico1]

16. Good God, what an

incredibly arrogant statement!:mad:

[RedStateShame]

17. "Can we just make it, like, a really big TGIFriday's or something?"

[SidDithers]

22. A new Middle East...

'cause that civilization that's been there for 5000 years or so just doesn't conform with our idea of what it should be like.

Gotcha, Condi.

Idiot.

Sid

[ComerPerro]

24. Lets nuke it, turn the sand to glass, then pave over it

and turn it into a white suburban paradise.

[laura888]

25. kick n/t