This Israeli shill on with Wolf now is making me sick.

[smacky44]

Hizbollah would NOT be blocking roads so that food can't get through to the people who they spend most of their time and risk their lives protecting. Hizbollah does too much social service work for the Labanese people. How can you believe someone who says they want the Lebanese people to get the humanitarian aid they deserve when the people he represents bombs unarmed UN facility, bombs fleeing civilians and ambulances? Why should I beleive this man? Hizbollah certainly is not blowing up anything inside sourthern Lebanon or Beirut. Their missiles are pointed out of Lebanon.

[PCIntern]

1. Such NICE people the Hezbollah

Why don't you invite them for dinner?

[ThomCat]

Do you have anything reasonable to say?

Hezbollah has been a major provider of social services and assistance for years in Lebanon.

[The Stranger]

21. It was a post lacking in substance completely.

And, come to think about it, maybe everyone involved in this conflict should be forced to sit down to dinner. Maybe the conflict couldn't be sustainable.

I think if you called him on his bluff, it would really terrify him.

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[everythingsxen]

3. That's precisely the point...

by blocking the roads and causing Lebanese suffering, they can then turn around and blame Israel for it, gaining more world support. Also the same reason they set up their rocket launching sites inside crowded apartment buildings.

[Scurrilous]

5. I thought the Hezbollah rocket sites...

...were set up around UN compounds.

[everythingsxen]

7. Right because there is only...

one Hezbollah rocket launch site in the entirety of South Lebanon... :eyes:

You are aware they are using mobile rocket launchers, right?

[partylessinOhio]

4. Aren't we Americans?

:shrug:

[cracksquirrel]

6. yes we are.

And what are Americans good at?
Picking a side, looking at the world in black and white, and cheerleading for one side while denigrading the other as somehow inferior or unworthy.
Yeah, we're ALL Americans here...

[PCIntern]

8. Gee, I don't know about that...

I just react strongly when a people say collectively that they're going to make my entire family's blood run in the streets. That kind of gets my dander up, know what I mean? I spent most of my life having to defend this principle, and I'm not backing down now.

[cracksquirrel]

10. Yeah I know

And I agree, I'm just being snarky. Reading GD these days is rather a downer..

[atreides1]

15. I assume you're an Israeli?

So far no one has threatened to make my entire family's blood run in the streets, so I don't have horse in this race.

Terrorist have threatened to kill Americans, then again so has the KKK, the Skinheads, and the other
non-Muslim fanatics running free in America. I can tell you for a fact that should Falwell or Robertson get any kind of real control over the Repuke, I'm screwed, and so are my children, and my
grandchildren.

So how come I can't launch an attack on a known enemy, and destroy them before they destroy me, without the law charging me with a crime?

Both sides in this mess have done things that are just plain wrong, yet people here try to justify the actions taken. Lebanese children, not Hezbollah children are dying, as are Jewish and Arab Israeli children. Their is no justification for the deaths of children, or innocent civilians, and there never should be.

[PCIntern]

17. You assume a lot...

but the reason why you can't attack, and you do know this since you're obviously a smart person, and the Israelis can, is that the attacks were already launched on Israel. Many times. By not reacting, the Israelis would show weakness. Sorry, but that how it works in the real world.

As far as children go, you're right. Time to start a DU Children's thread, where all atrocities involving children can be discussed, explicated, and wept over. I'm not being facetious at all...my poiont is that the Israelis are sick and tired of seeing their childeren under attack so they went for it.

Not proportional? OK, after PEarl Harbor, did the US have a'proporitional' response? No? Shame on us...we should have gone to a Naval Base, just one now, in Japan and bombed it.

You wanna get upset? Ask yourself why Roosevelt and Churchill didn't bomb the rail lines leading to the death camps. Many children died there. It couldn't have been because it was Jewish children could it? Enquiring minds want to know. Not a 'persecution complex' anymore than a 'conspiracy theory' is fallacious just because it's called that. You say you don't have a horse in this race...just imagine if you did.

[Phrogman]

18. Forgive me but I just have to ask, are you one of these people?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,174-2289232,00.html

Coordinated response teams to counter negative Israeli sentiment on the internet. I wonder if you might be one.

[PCIntern]

19. No...

and I resent the accusation. Anyone who's been around here knows that I have been loyal to the progressive cause here at DU for a long time - that if I were a member of this coordinated team, then I was also a member of a different team on election night 2004 when I was posing hundreds of times decrying what was going on in Ohio, FL, and WI. No, I just believe in this particular cause and upsetting as that may be to you, you will see when all is said and done that the militant Arab states want the nation of Israel pushed into the sea. There is no other explanation for the all-out war fought for 58 years.

It just galls people that someone whose domestic political views are roughly congruent with theirs could diverge on this matter.

[kenny blankenship]

9. You sure know how to piss off the Israeli shills

I'm not sure if that's a valuable skill, but clearly you got what it takes.

[Igel]

16. Here's another obvious shill.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/28/world/middleeast/28refugees.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Many Christians from Ramesh and Ain Ebel considered Hezbollah’s fighting methods as much of an outrage as the Israeli strikes. Mr. Amar said Hezbollah fighters in groups of two and three had come into Ain Ebel, less than a mile from Bint Jbail, where most of the fighting has occurred. They were using it as a base to shoot rockets, he said, and the Israelis fired back.

One woman, who would not give her name because she had a government job and feared retribution, said Hezbollah fighters had killed a man who was trying to leave Bint Jbail.

“This is what’s happening, but no one wants to say it” for fear of Hezbollah, she said.

====================

It's unclear that Hezbollah cares about Lebanese. Nasrallah, a Shi'ite cleric, cares about (1) Nasrallah, (2) Allah's Party, (3) da'wa, (4) Shi'ites, (5) anybody else useful for 1-4.

Ah, also if you look at the story, ponder how the injured kid's picture is displayed, and how Hezb/Israel are evaluated. Wounded kid, probably Xian, you'd think. The Xians interviewed go from anti-Hezb to "screw both of them", but we're left with "damn Israel!" ... with the only non-anti-Hezb attitude being from ... the boy's father. You have to read hard to find that the unalloyed criticism of Israel from the kid's father isn't from a Christian, but from a Shi'ite who hails from 1-1.5 miles across the border, SSW of Bint Jbeil. I have to assume that the only reason the story about Xians ends with the most extensive quotes from a Shi'ite is that the reporter was rushed, and not that purely anti-Israel/Hezb-absolving Christians were in very short supply.

[smacky44]

20. Yes, I guess this is why Israel must keep bombing the Christian areas too.

Who was the man trying to leave? Why would they stop one man when so thousands of others were permitted to leave? Was this man someone they knew?

[Igel]

23. That's what the Christian involved said.

There's actually a fair amount of ethnic emnity involved: numerous Christians have been rounded up because they're suspected, because of Christian support for Israel, of spying for Israel. Causing death to Christians is better than causing death to Shi'ites, and provides obvious anti-Israeli PR.

But that Xian's report, eye-witness or not (the area's rife with rumors) has been echoed a number of times. Might be urban legend. Might not be.

What's odd is that the Xians in the article don't just bash Israel; Hezbollah's always bashed as much. The only Israel-bashing comes from a man whose son was wounded, and whose affiliation isn't made explicit. The quick reader will take away that he's a Xian. The quick leader will infer a falsehood.

[etherealtruth]

22. Right

Israelis = bad
Hezbollah = good

It's all black and white :sarcasm:

One can choose one moment in time and assign blame ...but, overall there is so much Innocent blood on "everyone's" hands that you end up with a murky grey.

Israel needs to stop right now ... so does Hezbollah. The entire world needs to focus and get involved in this crisis.

I don't have a solution (there would be a Nobel prize in my future if I did); glorifying one side is probably not part of the solution.