Holy Shit! Peace Breaks Out In The Middle East!

[DistressedAmerican]

Everytime we have a Democratic President!

Funny you do not see pics like this coming out regularly under Repugs...:freak:

[The Magistrate]

1. You Have An Excellent Point, Sir

"In this vale of tears there are yet some things to be thankful for: for myself, I give thanks I am not a Republican."

[DoYouEverWonder]

28. So do the rest of us

n/t

[Kagemusha]

2. With all due respect

that wasn't peace then, that was a handshake. And you do recall that the Israeli who shook his hand paid for his life at the hands of an Israeli assassin?

[Behind the Aegis]

4. Do you also recall...

...the person in the first picture on the left was gunned down by Arab assassins?

[DistressedAmerican]

9. So if there are people opposed to peace efforts, they are a waste?

[Behind the Aegis]

10. On edit:

Now, I see what you are saying. I thought the "they" referred to the people, you meant to reflect the peace talks. And no, I don't think they are waste. I was pointing out historical fact, as was the poster to whom I replied.

[DistressedAmerican]

14. I guess I'm unclear on the point you are trying to make.

I assume it was along the lines of the "that is not peace" remark you were replying to.

Maybe you can elaborate.

[Behind the Aegis]

15. I was only producing a historical fact.

I wasn't commenting on the "that was not peace" remark.

[malaise]

18. Do you recall who assassinated

Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin. Was it not a right wing Likud supporter.
Just like the Kennedy assassination, he was killed and the thugs took over.

[Behind the Aegis]

20. Do you have a point?

I know exactly who murdered him. Do you know who murdered Sadat?

[malaise]

26. Rabin was assassinated by a right wing Zionist

and he was allowed to do so by his own security detail. Amir was well known to Rabin's security detail; he was a member of the most extreme anti-Rabin right wing organization of all, Eyal, an acronym for Jewish Warriors, run by the most extreme right wing radical of them all, the notorious Avishai Raviv. The assassin belonged to an organization created by the very Shabak which was charged with protecting Rabin.

Who benefitted - Netanyahu and Sharon, two well know war criminals.

What's my point - physician heal thyself.

[Behind the Aegis]

30. you still have no point...

so sad....anything to...oh it's not even worth to state the obvious with you anymore!

[malaise]

35. Hahahahaha

Misery loves company. This is pointless.

[Behind the Aegis]

36. .

:eyes: redux

[The Magistrate]

37. You Know, Ma'am

The gentleman posted a thread to cheer on Democrats, on Democratic Underground, in the feeling all could agree at least on the proposition that a Demcoratic President would be better for thje Near East.

And yet we have broken out here a little miniature of the grand flame-wars dotting the General Discussion forum. Can you suggest any point to this?

[malaise]

39. Interesting

that you missed the post re Sadat

[The Magistrate]

40. Engaged The One Most Recent, Ma'am

At the time composition was commenced.

Put bluntly, the whole digression, from its commencement with a reference to the death of Mr. Rabin, to this, fascinates me....

[malaise]

42. Peace n/t

[mogster]

46. Wohoo, good point

I was thinking the same. It's so symptomatic for the conflict.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

32. By thugs do you mean the Democrats?

Because after Kennedy was assassinated Johnson became president and then was elected president in the next general election.

[malaise]

34. By Thugs I mean the Republicans

who followed Johnson. I had no love for Johnson and the Vietnam war either.

[The Stranger]

22. It never ends.

It goes back to my theory about, if someone posted that "Israel was founded in 1948" -- there would be three posts stating "Israel wasn't the only nation founded in 1948 -- why are you singling out Israel?!"

It never ends.

[Behind the Aegis]

33. ...

:eyes:

(I do wish there was an emoticon for hot air!)

[DistressedAmerican]

6. Well...

It is a hell of a lot more peace than we see in this shot:



You tell me which YOU prefer?

[tridim]

29. Or this shot..

[MrsT]

8. At least those presidents were trying. What has Bush done?

[ShortnFiery]

13. Yes, but there was "a break through" ... an element of HOPE

That was IMO, all encompassing. Both sides GAVE a little ... I remember those moments. IMO, they were beautiful signs of "hope for peace."

[Toots]

47. But there was a concerted effort by the President to obtain it

Has there been such with any Republican?

[Cooley Hurd]

3. Odd that, w/ the exception of Carter and the Big Dog, everyone in the pic

...are dead. :(

[uppityperson]

5. sounds like an Onion headline.

[ShortnFiery]

7. That's because both Carter and Clinton used their ...

State Departments wisely. They staffed them with gifted people who knew what it meant to fill the role of DIPLOMAT.

Today we have the Anti-Diplomats known as political cronies filling many of the career positions. These people wouldn't know Negotiations nor Compromise if they crawled on top of their heads and set up camp. :thumbsdown:

[Kagemusha]

12. My point is that even though Clinton tried, he failed.

And we're living through the results of that failure today. I'm not assigning blame. I'm just withholding credit - Clinton did not bring peace. Simple as that.

[ShortnFiery]

16. But you don't know for sure that it could have been WORSE if not

for Clinton and Carter's efforts. All attempts to make amends and bring two parties together, IMO, are not *wasted.*

We can NOT give up HOPE. That's not how we, as humans are wired. :hi:

[Bretttido]

19. We're living through the result of a DIS-CONTINUED peace process

Maintaining peace takes persistence and constant communication. If Bush had actually followed through and continued the process that Carter and Clinton started, we would likely be viewing a much more peaceful middle-east. To say that Clinton failed is ludicrous; he had no control over the following 6 years of apathy.

[DistressedAmerican]

21. Would you accept "a measure of peace"?

More than this current shit for example?

[The Stranger]

24. Completely wrong -- There has been no war but peace between Israel/Egypt,

and Jimmy Carter played no small role and exhibited extraordinary courage in bringing that about.

The Oslo accords led to years of very minimal violence between Israel and the Palestinians until they were scuttled by Likud and the Settlers, and Sharon's march to the shrines, which led to the intifadahs (would the plural be "intifadi"?).

[Monkeyman]

31. Yep

There never will be peace in the Middle East now that Bush broke all promises

[PA Democrat]

43. But Clinton SHOULD be credited for engineering the peace treaty between

Jordan and Israel.

http://www-tech.mit.edu/V114/N49/jordan.49w.html

[K8-EEE]

11. But...But...It's Not "Enduring"

Because the idiot GOP & Corporate & Oil interests always get back in the mix!

[DistressedAmerican]

17. Lasting peace like this...

Welcome to Bush's "enduring peace"!

[mom cat]

23. Peace proposal vetoed by Shin Bet, just before the invasion of

Palestine.

Shin Bet Vetoed Secret Israeli-Palestinian Peace Agreement
Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:49:07 -0700reprehensor
R195926
2 hours ago PRESS RELEASE
Drafted by Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed, Department of International Relations, University of Sussex
For immediate release 28.7.06
SHIN BET VETOED SECRET ISRAELI-PALESTINIAN PEACE AGREEMENT
Israeli and Palestinian Sources Concur: Israel Made War Inevitable
The Omega Institute (OI), which works closely with the Institute for Policy Research for Development (IPRD), has learned from Israeli and Palestinian sources that just prior to the current crisis, senior Hamas leaders were in active dialogue with Israeli religious leaders in a round of bilateral peace negotiations. Israeli negotiators included Rabbi Menachem Froman, former deputy leader and co-founder of the Israeli Settler movement Gush Khatif; Rabbi David Bigman, head of the liberal religious Kibbutz movement Yeshiva at Ma’ale Gilboa; and Yitzhak Frankenthal, founder of the Arik Institute. Ongoing negotiations had resulted in a breakthrough peace “understanding”, which was to be announced at a press conference in Jerusalem to mark the launching of an extraordinary peace initiative. Israeli Prime Minister Olmert had been briefed extensively about the initiative by Frankenthal. Also due to attend the conference were Khaled Abu Arafa, the Palestinian Cabinet Minister for Jerusalem, Sheikh Muhamed Abu Tir, senior Hamas Member of the Palestinian Parliament, and other senior Palestinian delegates.
The meeting was to announce a joint Israeli-Palestinian call for the release of Corporal Gilad Shalit who had been abducted by Hamas in Gaza, along with proposals for the beginning of the release of all Palestinian prisoners. These measures were to precipitate unprecedented new peace negotiations on a framework peace agreement, drawn on the 1967 borders. The presence of Palestinian Cabinet Officers and senior Israeli religious leaders in contact with the Prime Minster was to underline the seriousness of this peace proposal on both sides.
Just hours before the meeting was due to start, the Israeli Shin Bet internal Security Service arrested Abu Tir and Abu Arafa and warned them not to attend the meeting, under threats of detention. The meeting, which offered a major opportunity to obtain Shalit’s release and launch a new framework for peace, was thrown into disarray. The next day, the Israeli Defence Force (IDF) invaded Gaza, and the day after both Abu Tir and Abu Arafa were abducted by Israeli forces, along with a third of the Palestinian Cabinet, provoking a predictable escalation of violence.
Israel simultaneously began conducting covert incursions on to Lebanese territory, provoking Hizbollah’s capture of two IDF soldiers. Credible sources confirm that the soldiers were not abducted on Israeli territory, but inside Lebanon. Like the scuppered peace negotiations, Western officials have ignored this, and misinformed the media. However, some reports corroborate the sources. Israeli officials, for instance, informed Forbes (12.7.06) that “Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers during clashes Wednesday across the border in southern Lebanon, prompting a swift reaction from Israel.”
“The revelations show that Palestinian and Lebanese actors were not principally responsible for the escalation of the current conflict”, said OI Director Graham Ennis. “Contrary to the misinformation disseminated by the Whitehouse and Whitehall, Israel vetoed unprecedented peace proposals that would have initiated a promising new framework for serious negotiations, and went on to provoke Palestinian and Lebanese groups into retaliations, that now threaten to escalate into a dangerous regional conflict.”
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[LSK]

25. K & R #5

[lonestarnot]

27. No and you won't either.

[brmdp3123]

38. Yeah, but don't forget the wars of 1948 and 1967.

I'm afraid those folks are going to fight regardless of who is in the White House.

[cobalt1999]

49. yes, both under democrat presidents

and you could argue that the 1967 war and captured lands have lead to where we are today.

[SammyBlue]

41. Republicans love war. . .helps their War profiteer base

Helps them stay in power. Fear is an easy sell. Peace is a harder sell.

[whistle]

44. No wonder the neocons are so frustrated

[Gloria]

45. Yeah, but "managing calm" isn't really HARD WORK.....

[The Backlash Cometh]

48. Well, done, well done. But...was there any money in peace?

[dave123williams]

50. They like war. They think it's good for business.

They're a) wrong and b) fucking stupid.

[rosesaylavee]

51. Good point, DA ...

AND, I get it that you meant this post as a positive thing!

:hug: