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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 09:23 PM
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Iran - the Plan for War -- The Neocons of course - by James Bamford!!!
Edited on Fri Jul-28-06 09:32 PM by autorank
Here we go again. Another pre planned war. JAMES BAMFORD, author of “Puzzle Palace,” the definitive book on NSA and “Pretext for War,” the history of Iraq, offers up this explosive description of the neoconservative calculations and scheming to get us in a war with Iran. It all started before the first bomb fell on Baghdad.

This confirms the stories on this topic by Raw Story’s Larissa Alexandrovna
(A conversation with Machiavelli's ghost: Controversial neoconservative: Ledeen talks to Raw Story (02.28.2006) & On Cheney, Rumsfeld order, US outsourcing special ops, intelligence to Iraq terror group, intelligence officials say (04.13.2006), for example.

Iran: The Next War


BY JAMES BAMFORD
http://tinyurl.com/nxfxf

Knowing that such a maneuver was well within AIPAC's capabilities, Franklin asked Rosen to "put in a good word" for him. Rosen agreed. "I'll do what I can," he said, adding that the breakfast meeting had been a real "eye-opener. Working together, the two men hoped to sell the United States on yet another bloody war. A few miles away, digital recorders at the FBI's Language Services Section captured every word.

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In recent weeks, the attacks by Hezbollah on Israel have given neoconservatives in the Bush administration the pretext they were seeking to launch what former House Speaker Newt Gingrich calls "World War III." Denouncing the bombings as "Iran's proxy war," William Kristol of The Weekly Standard is urging the Pentagon to counter "this act of Iranian aggression with a military strike against Iranian nuclear facilities." According to Joseph Cirincione, an arms expert and the author of Deadly Arsenals: Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Threats, "The neoconservatives are now hoping to use the Israeli-Lebanon conflict as the trigger to launch a U.S. war against Syria, Iran or both."

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Larry Franklin, a former Bush administration official who attended the meeting in Rome, has pleaded guilty to passing classified information about Iran to a pro-Israel lobbying group. (photo: AP Photo/Kevin Wolf)


Completing the rogues' gallery that assembled in Rome that day was the man who helped Ledeen arrange the meeting: Nicolò Pollari, the director of Italy's military intelligence. Only two months earlier, Pollari had informed the Bush administration that Saddam Hussein had obtained uranium from West Africa—a key piece of false intelligence that Bush used to justify the invasion of Iraq.

The shift in official policy has thrilled former members of the cabal. To them, the war in Lebanon represents the final step in their plan to turn Iran into the next Iraq. Ledeen, writing in the National Review on July 13th, could hardly restrain himself. "Faster, please," he urged the White House, arguing that the war should now be taken over by the U.S. military and expanded across the entire region. "The only way we are going to win this war is to bring down those regimes in Tehran and Damascus, and they are not going to fall as a result of fighting between their terrorist proxies in Gaza and Lebanon on the one hand, and Israel on the other. Only the United States can accomplish it," he concluded. "There is no other way."

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 09:29 PM
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1. Ledeen is a crazy ass mutherfucker!
And I damn well wish the rest of the world knew it too!

:grr:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 09:31 PM
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2. I wish you'd just say what's on your mind. He's smokin'
And it's a bad brew. What's with these guys? Why don't they form their own fight club or DBSM group. It's depressing that they can even try to get away with this. What the heck happened to the Franklin trial? Oh, right , deal, closed book right?

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 09:40 PM
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3. I know I am bad but...
have you ever listened to this crazy as mutherfucker? OMG! We are so fucked because they are taken SERIOUSLY by the M$M including C-Span who has this asshat on as an actual "intellectual"!

:argh:

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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 02:41 AM
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10. He's on a stumbling journey down goofy street...I find him just appalling.
No di agreement with the content or tone of your remarks Leftchick.

"I am autorank and I endorse your message."
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 09:48 PM
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4. These bastards have gotten the wars they wanted w/o understanding
the ramifications of the damage they are doing. Send their sorry asses over to the ME to fight their own battles.
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arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 06:34 AM
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22. that's what NEEDS to be done
Edited on Sun Jul-30-06 06:35 AM by arewenotdemo
I'd love to see the terror in their eyes when they were no longer safely CHEERLEADING from the sideline.

Ledeen is human scum, pure and simple.
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 10:00 PM
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5. k&r
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 10:25 PM
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6. WWWIII is the only thing that can keep NeoCons in power
They know the voters are ready to kick their asses out on the sidewalk. This is their last chance, their only hope to hang on to the reins of power. Only an existential threat can give their PR the punch to turn back the tide. Their best laid plans are all for naught if they can't overthrow Tehran and Damascus.


I, for one, am sick of this shadow government.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 10:54 PM
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7. I know.
They, the NeoCONster criminals, may still be stopped.

Their insanity and ideology has nearly reached the critical masses,...and they are being challenged on many fronts.

Frankly, I'm surprised the humility of a rising M.E. crisis, complete failure in an unlawful war requiring fraud against the American people, exposure of horrific human abuses, and slaughter of corrupt party members haven't humiliated these fuckers to barrel bottom. But, arrogance never knows the sense of being humble.

Even if our own can't stop them, the world will because it is much, much bigger than us. Stupid NeoCONsters don't get that, either, thinking mass destruction favors them, as did Hitler. I mean, seriously, are they trying to out-do Hitler, or what?

We live in a different age. The so-called "neo-cons" live in the past. The world, humanity rejects anything that fails to advance humanity, AS A WHOLE.

Those arrogant assholes JUST DON'T GET IT!!! They are no more valuable than a poster on a website,...perhaps, less valuable because they have no room for brain-storming or debate or discussion or respectful disagreements in their "vision".
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:11 AM
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8. It's like all of them have Lady Macbeth as their alter ego...
It's a great article, though, isn't it? Bamford is a real patriot. His first 30-40 pages of "Pretext for War" is just brilliant history, particularly the part about the contradictions in * tale of 911.

I hope we see a day soon when we'll get the real story behind all of this. The article starts that process. Hopefully lala_rawraw will continue her work too.

Chinese curse: "May you live in interesting times."
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 02:28 AM
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9. "The life of man is solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short." . . .
Thomas Hobbes' famous quote . . .

"Leedeen, who is best known for his involvement as a courier in the Iran-Contra scandal, describes himself as a democratic revolutionary. He believes that mankind is inclined toward war and has a dismal, Hobbesian view of history.

A conversation with Machiavelli's ghost: Controversial neoconservative Ledeen talks to Raw Story

http://rawstory.com/news/2006/Conversation_with_Controversial_Neoconservative_0228.html
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 05:28 AM
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11. K&R
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 05:39 AM
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12. It is a great article.
James Bamford is always on target. I strongly recommend his book "A Pretext for War" (the second edition has a great "afterword" in it).

This article documents that the neocon-AIPAC spy scandal is, along with the Plame scandal and the Niger document forgeries, part of a three-leaf clover of corruption that threatens our Constitutional democracy.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 06:58 AM
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13. This sure dovetails with the info on the Cheney meeting in June.
Thanks for the post. K&R
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 08:03 AM
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14. what cheney meeting in June?
??
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 12:40 PM
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16. The information about the Cheney meeting is at this link:
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 09:52 PM
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19. damn
them all! :grr:
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 12:26 PM
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23. Yes. Damn them all!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 09:31 AM
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15. You are welcome. Bamford is an awesome source. I'm worried! n/t
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 02:07 PM
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17. K&R.
God help us.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 07:15 PM
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18. This is frightening
For so many reasons. And fear not, (or, really, be very afraid) Israel will dutifully start the war with Syria for us. Because that's what friends do -- they help each other out of a jam.

K&R!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 03:37 AM
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21. I'll have a little treat for you on this theme later today or Mon. morning
;)
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 03:33 AM
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20. I have my theories as to what went on
to start this conflict of the "kidnapped solder" and i suspect MEK.
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Slaughtermeyer Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 12:30 PM
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24. Bamford exposed 9/11-style operation in 1962 by top brass
In 1962, all of the members of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff approved of the plans for Operation Northwoods, a 9/11-style operation designed to create public support for a US attack on Cuba by having US agents posing as pro-Castro Cubans conduct terrorist operations in US cities. Fortunately President Kennedy decided not to give the go-ahead for this conspiracy. For details, see: http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 01:03 PM
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25. kick
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