CSPAN: House trying to pass Estate Tax Bill with MINIMUM WAGE at MIDNIGHT!

[LSK]

H.R. 5970

http://www.rules.house.gov/109_2nd/text/etetra/THOMAS_172_xml.pdf

To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to increase the unified credit
against the estate tax to an exclusion equivalent of $5,000,000,to repeal
the sunset provision for the estate and generation-skipping taxes,and
to extend expiring provisions,and for other purposes.

[MadMaddie]

1. No surprise...they are cheating bastards the repugs

[LSK]

2. GOP is tying minimum wage to the bill

Minimum wage being held hostage to the Estate Tax.

Section SEC. 401. MINIMUM WAGE.

[Sydnie]

3. We'll pay you more, but you'll pay us more in the long run

Mugging Peter to Rape Paul.

[LSK]

4. i cant believe this

Its 11:50 PM on a FRIDAY NIGHT.

You can have minimum wage as long as rich fuckers DONT PAY TAXES!!!

[Sydnie]

5. Bill Thomas just laid it out

If it doesn't pass, they come out smelling like roses, if it passes, they come out smelling like roses.

May the fleas of a thousand camels infest their pubic hair!

[LSK]

9. oh that Thomas fellow is one smug SOB!!!

:grr:

[LSK]

6. theres mining stuff in here too

:wtf:

[usregimechange]

7. I just donated money to my Senate candidate because this piss-

es me off so much! :mad:

[me b zola]

8. Maxine is up!

Hoot, she is laying in to the pukes. Go Maxine!! :yourock:

[me b zola]

11. Damn, she is saying that she is ashamed to be in Congress now...

...with those people adding things to the bill that have nothing to do with minimum wage.

[Sydnie]

10. Thomas is the fucking reincarnation of Barnum!

He is trying to shame them into it!

[me b zola]

12. This is all about the mid-terms

...and threatening the Dems if they don't agree to give billions to the richest 1%. :grr:

[I_Make_Mistakes]

30. Good! $ can buy votes, but not elections! If KKKrove thinks this

is the bottom line, let the Chosen go to the GAS PUMP and preach his BS Christianity BS. They played that Christian card too many times, and their fruit is DOA.

The Pride before the Fall (crap, the little that I have accumulated, is gonna be with zip, nada, etc), "Forgive them, for they know not what they have done"...but, they knew and banked on God bailing them out, here we go!

[Sydnie]

13. Hey Phil English ...

miss a meal once in a while. You can afford it. Those living on mac and cheese can't, you bloated fuck face!

[LSK]

16. LOL

Im picturing a Dem saying that on the house floor. :rofl:

Same should be said to Hassert.

[Monkeyman]

20. LOL

Hastert oh my fatman

[Donnachaidh]

115. English is a bloated pustule

without a neck.

I cannot believe this is happening!

[LSK]

14. Sherrod Brown is up

The CEO of EXXON makes 17,000 per hour while the worker who fills up her gas tank makes 11,000 per year.

This bill is a tax break for the CEO of Exxon.

[annm4peace]

18. DON"T VOTE FOR IT>> F&%K Them

** We Waited how many years for the Minimum wage increase.. we can wait till after the midterm elections. Screw em.
DEMOCRACTS DON"T VOTE FOR THE ESTATE TAX

[cally]

21. I think they should vote for it

The plight of the working poor is so bad that even with the estate tax, I think Dems should vote for it.

[w4rma]

24. Absolutely not. (nt)

[LSK]

29. there will be a vote to send it back to committee

EVERY DEM SHOULD VOTE YES THERE.

[Sydnie]

15. There's the framing ... "Minimum Wage Package"

The fine print doesn't matter, because this is how it is going to be sold.

It's a done deal.

[LSK]

17. yet the 1st thing the bill talks about is the Estate Tax

[I_Make_Mistakes]

19. C-span had coverage of this ploy earlier (that it was going to

happen!). Those Authoritarians just don't get it!

I watched the J. Dean interview, and now have a true understanding of those in command (ill-legally, ill-legitimately, doesn't matter), because their own party is gonna help to bring them down. What Morans!

[brook]

27. I wouldn't buy

snow tires in Alaska from Jerry Weller. Slimy con.

[annm4peace]

28. Republicans are such a Joke

Wow,, tonight the Republicans are talking like true Liberals..
they care about the workers, the environment, those on welfare..
give me a break.. what a bunch of snake charmers.

[w4rma]

22. This bill must be voted down. (nt)

[napi21]

23. Yes, I was SURPRISED! was chanel flipping and there they were,

after midnight and still yelling at each other!!!!

I had heard the Dems weren't going to let the Pubs go on vacaation for 5 weeks without taking a vote on this minumum wage issue, and I guess whatever they did worked. I suppose it might be another 4AM vote, but it looks like there will be a VOTE!

[Sydnie]

26. But it's a lose lose for all of us

that don't have 5 mil to pass on to our kids.

[LSK]

25. SEC. 402. TIPPED WAGE FAIRNESS.

SEC. 402. TIPPED WAGE FAIRNESS. Section 3(m)of the Fair Labor Standards Act of
1938 (29 U.S.C.203(m))is amended
(1)by redesignating paragraphs (1)and (2)as
subparagraphs (A)and (B),respectively;

(2)by striking ‘‘‘Wage ’ paid to any employee ’’
and inserting ‘‘(1)‘Wage ’ paid to any employee ’’;

(3)in subparagraph (B)(as so redesignated),by inserting before the period the following:‘‘ :
Provided,That the tips shall not be included as part of
the wage paid to an employee to the extent that they
are excluded therefrom under the terms of a bona
fide collective bargaining agreement applicable to the
particular employee ’’;

[Sydnie]

31. That blanket EIC comment was outrageous

especially in the face of the fact that those of us that qualify for it are the very ones being friggin' audited ,... to make sure we aren't cheating!

Tipped employees can only get the EIC if they have a child. Single or childlessly married get fucked there.

Slime ball.

George Miller is speaking for me!

[napi21]

32. Ok, so I'm stupid tonight. Explain how that changes how the

current law is, please.

[LSK]

37. i think they are trying to say tips will be included

In decided if the pay is the minimum wage.

Minimum wage = Tips + salary

Where before the minimum wage = salary

Tips not included.

[napi21]

43. Okaaaayyy. So just how are they gonna track something like that????

I know it depends on where you work, but I had a close friend who was a head waitress at a NICE restaurant in Pgh, Pa. Cash tips aren't reported to ANYONE!!!!! I realize that was a few years ago, but Im sure it's still the same today! If it's on the credit card, there's no choice, but many generous patrons know how this works and if they like their waiter or waitress, they make sure it goes into the pocket directly!

If I understand it correctly, all the reported tips are taxed even under current law!

[LSK]

i see a lot of restaraunts include tips on bills

Maybe thats how it will be included???

If they can measure tips, it can basically mean that restaraunts dont have to pay anything to waiters/waitresses if the tips are high enough.

[Sydnie]

48. I believe most food establishments have a standard tip amount

that is applied, thus they can pay less per hour because the tips are figured into the hourly pay figure. At least, that's the way it has always worked anywhere I have waited tables. If minimum wage is $5.15, they can pay you $3.15 per hour (as an example only) in your check, assuming that you will make at least $2 an hour in tips.

[napi21]

77. I don't know where you work, but unless it's a coffee shop, $2.00/hr

in tips is very very low!

[Sydnie]

83. I'm not currently a waitress

and yes, you are correct. That means that they wouldn't have to pay you a penny in a check. Remember, tips are not guaranteed unless they are guaranteed with a notice of an automatic gratuity on the menu or posted on the wall. Patrons are free to tip or not tip as they see fit. Some people are really good and consistent tippers and others aren't. I remember the nights serving drinks, with nightly bar tabs that ran into the hundreds (these were regulars in the restaurant!) and being tipped $5 after serving then for hours. Not because my service was lacking, but because they felt entitled to my time and obviously thought I was being paid more by the establishment than I was.

It's not a good situation for waitstaff, bell people, valet parkers, and any number of service/tip industries. They are creating more jobs that "American's won't do" with this legislation.

[napi21]

100. I understand yau, but let me ask you a question.

Would you REALLY want to be covered under the minimum wage laws and have people feel they don't have to tip at all?

People in the US have gotten used to the idea of tipping, and yes, I realize there are always going ot be stingy people, but I suspect the restaruants aren't going to lower their prices if their waitestaff are all put under min. wage laws, they'll increase their prices if anything! Customers will hear about this change and see the increased prices, and you'll still be scre*ed!

It's a strange business! I you're lucky, you work in a nice restaurant that gets a lot of business trade for lunck and dinner. Believe me, I was the Dir. of accounting for two companies, and I know what THOSE tips were! NEVER were they ever under 25%! And the bills were $$400-$1,000 FOR LUNCH! I don't even want to talk about dinner!!!!! I didn't work in NYC either, I worked in Greenville SC and San Antonio Tx.

All I mean is that it really does depend on where you work and who the clientel are.

[Sydnie]

104. That is true, but most people don't work for large chains

they work for the corner diner type places. Those are the backbone workers that this would hurt.

I was a food and beverage manager for a major hotel in Boston. I had to deal with banquet and sales charges as well as the restaurants. The staff in the regular restaurants did well, but I can tell you, those that worked the breakfast spot didn't make nearly as much as those that worked the dinner spots. Same job, same location, often the same patrons, but radically different incomes. Banquet staff made out because their gratuity was automatic and never less than 20%.

It's a crap shoot of a job, no matter how you look at it.

I don't want them to be covered under minimum wage laws. I want them to have a guaranteed income though. Don't know just how to split that baby.

[annm4peace]

33. Do the Repuks have an Ear piece connected to Delay?

Isn't the Repukes' talking points sound like criminal Delay? and
traitorous Rove ??

Republican voters just need to stay home for mid-term elections. :puke:

[gristy]

34. 183 fucking pages and 5 million fucking dollars.

You know what it's going to take to replace the 2.5 million fucking dollars which the tax levy should be for that fucking estate? Two thousand, five hundred folks earning the minimum wage and paying a 10% tax rate. That's what.

Go ahead, pass the fucking bill. Make my day.

[annm4peace]

38. Sneaky, Sneaky, Sneaky

Rangel has it dead on. They wait to Midnight so the Republican Voters don't hear
the Congress Repukes sound like liberals.. my goodness.. they even sound like Socialists.
* It will be interesting to see what the media shows on this tomorrow.
Rangel is awesome.. This makes for good Reality TV. Love it.


:woohoo:

[usregimechange]

35. Rangel! Doing it after midnight!

[me b zola]

40. Rangel is shaming them!

Called them out on all of their theatrics

[Suich]

45. Rangel rocks!

He hit the nail on the head!!!

:hi:

[annm4peace]

44. What Corporations Contributed to Rep. Bill Thomas

* I like to show my Republican voting friends where their Candidates get their
campaign money. It usually is a shock to them. I dont' recall seeing any
"small business" at the top 5 of the lists

[Sydnie]

36. Then write a BUSINESS ESTATE tax bill you mo fo's!

Write a SAVE THE FARM bill. Direct it to where you say it needs to be placed.

But not on the backs of the laborers!

[Sydnie]

39. Rangel is talking dirty to me now!

He is on the right track! Take me Charlie ... take me there! :blush:

[LSK]

41. LOL

Your on a roll tonite!

[gristy]

42. Just spoke with Rep. Eshoo's office (California, 14th)

Was told she will vote against it. Oddly, when the woman first answered and I asked about the bill now being debated on the floor, she referred to it as "the minimum wage bill". Arrggh. I set her straight and reminded her it is "the estate tax bill" and it is an abomination. I encouraged her to tell Rep. Eshoo to get some time on the floor and to speak out strongly against this bill. That it isn't enough to just sit back and vote no!

[annm4peace]

47. Extortion

* Extortion, Extortion, Extortion.
That is going to be my title when I send my letter to the Editor.
:evilgrin:

[gristy]

46. Hayworth, you piece of absolute shit

"Isn't it interesting the lexicon..." Going on and on about "the left". Oh, man he is an ugly son of a bitch.

[chill_wind]

49. Pubs scurrying around like cockroaches. Always in the middle of the nite.

GOP Works Late to Keep You in the Dark

Sherrod Brown

Monday, July 18, 2005

One thing you can count on in Congress these days. They always save the good stuff for the middle of the night.

Almost every piece of controversial legislation that has passed Congress since Texas Republican Tom DeLay consolidated power has been voted on in the middle of the night.

It started a couple of years ago.

At 2:54 a.m. on Friday, March 21, 2003, the House cut veterans benefits by three votes.

At 2:39 a.m. on Friday, April 11, 2003, the House slashed education and health care by five votes.

At 1:56 a.m. on Friday, May 23, 2003, the House passed the Leave No Millionaire Behind tax cut by a handful of votes.

At 2:33 a.m. on Friday, June 27, 2003, the House passed the Medicare privatization and prescription drug bill by one vote.

At 12:57 a.m. on Friday, July 25, 2003, the House eviscerated Head Start, again by one vote.

At 12:12 a.m. on Friday, Oct. 31, 2003, the House voted billions of dollars for Iraq.

At 10:34 p.m. on Wednesday, July 7, 2004, the House rejected $100 million in funding for first responders.

At 10:26 p.m. on Tuesday, Sept. 14, 2004, the House voted to allow U.S. government contracts to go to corporations that incorporate overseas to avoid paying their fair share of taxes.

And then, at 11:11 p.m. on Thursday, Nov. 18, 2004, the House added $800 billion to the national debt - an increase of more than $2,700 for every man, woman and child in America.

Always in the middle of the night. Always after reporters had filed their stories. Always after the American people had turned off the news and gone to bed.

What did the public see? At best, Americans read a small story with a brief explanation of the bill and the vote count in Sunday's papers.

But what did the public miss? They didn't see the House votes, which normally take no more than 20 minutes, drag on for as long as three hours as members of the Republican leadership trolled for enough votes to cobble together a majority.

And they are about to do it again. DeLay, the House majority leader who is indisputably the most powerful member of Congress, has promised three times to bring to the floor of the House of Representatives the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA). Three times - Dec. 31, 2004, Memorial Day 2005, and July 4, 2005 - the deadline passed and CAFTA was not brought up for a vote.

Why? Simple: The majority of Congress - members of both parties - would have voted it down, and DeLay does not like to lose.

The opposition to CAFTA is wide and deep: Democrats and Republicans; small manufacturers and labor unions; family farmers and environmentalists; Catholic bishops in Central America and Methodist, Lutheran, Presbyterian and Jewish leaders in the United States.

Support for CAFTA is easy to define: It was negotiated by a select few - mostly pharmaceutical companies, insurance and bank interests and the oil industry - for the benefit of the same select few.

CAFTA's opponents do not oppose foreign trade or all trade agreements. We simply insist on a trade agreement that will pass Congress by a strong bipartisan majority. We insist on a trade agreement that will draw support from religious leaders and labor leaders, from small business and small farmers - a trade agreement that will lift up workers in Guatemala and treat workers with respect in Ohio.

The United States, with our unrivaled purchasing power and our enormous economic clout, is in a unique position to help empower poor workers in developing countries while promoting prosperity at home.

When the world's poorest people can buy American products, not just make them, then we will know that our trade policies are finally working.



http://www.house.gov/sherrodbrown/columns/CAFTACPD.htm

bold-emphasis mine.

[annm4peace]

50. Awesome Info,

Thanks for posting the list of late night voting..
I will share with others.

[chill_wind]

65. And that's not all! This is his earlier one. He wants people to know.

This will make you ill.

December 11, 2003

Under the Cover of Darkness

By SHERROD BROWN

Never before has the House of Representatives operated in such secrecy:

At 2:54 a.m. on a Friday in March, the House cut veterans benefits by three votes.

At 2:39 a.m. on a Friday in April, the House slashed education and health care by five votes.

At 1:56 a.m. on a Friday in May, the House passed the Leave No Millionaire Behind tax-cut bill by a handful of votes.

At 2:33 a.m. on a Friday in June, the House passed the Medicare privatization and prescription drug bill by one vote.

At 12:57 a.m. on a Friday in July, the House eviscerated Head Start by one vote.

And then, after returning from summer recess, at 12:12 a.m. on a Friday in October, the House voted $87 billion for Iraq.

Always in the middle of the night. Always after the press had passed their deadlines. Always after the American people had turned off the news and gone to bed.

What did the public see? At best, Americans read a small story with a brief explanation of the bill and the vote count in Saturday's papers.

But what did the public miss? They didn't see the House votes, which normally take no more than 20 minutes, dragging on for as long as an hour as members of the Republican leadership trolled for enough votes to cobble together a majority.

They didn't see GOP leaders stalking the floor for whoever was not in line. They didn't see Speaker Dennis Hastert and Majority Leader Tom DeLay coerce enough Republican members into switching their votes to produce the desired result.

In other words, they didn't see the subversion of democracy.

And late last month, they did it again. The most sweeping changes to Medicare in its 38-year history were forced through the House at 5:55 on a Saturday morning.

The debate started at midnight. The roll call began at 3:00 a.m. Most of us voted within the typical 20 minutes. Normally, the speaker would have gaveled the vote closed. But not this time; the Republican-driven bill was losing.

By 4 a.m., the bill had been defeated 216-218, with only one member, Democrat David Wu, not voting. Still, the speaker refused to gavel the vote closed.

Then the assault began.

Hastert, DeLay, Republican Whip Roy Blount, Ways and Means Chairman Bill Thomas, Energy and Commerce Chairman Billy Tauzin"all searched the floor for stray Republicans to bully.

I watched them surround Cincinnati's Steve Chabot, trying first a carrot, then a stick; but he remained defiant. Next, they aimed at retiring Michigan congressman Nick Smith, whose son is running to succeed him. They promised support if he changed his vote to yes and threatened his son's future if he refused. He stood his ground.

Many of the two dozen Republicans who voted against the bill had fled the floor. One Republican hid in the Democratic cloakroom.

By 4:30, the browbeating had moved into the Republican cloakroom, out of sight of C-SPAN cameras and the insomniac public. Republican leaders woke President George W. Bush, and a White House aide passed a cell phone from one recalcitrant member to another in the cloakroom.

At 5:55, two hours and 55 minutes after the roll call had begun"twice as long as any previous vote in the history of the U.S. House of Representatives"two obscure western Republicans emerged from the cloakroom. They walked, ashen and cowed, down the aisle to the front of the chamber, scrawled their names and district numbers on green cards to change their votes and surrendered the cards to the clerk.

The speaker gaveled the vote closed; Medicare privatization had passed.

You can do a lot in the middle of the night, under the cover of darkness.

http://sherrod.house.gov/columns/CoverOfDarkness.htm

(bold-emphasis again mine)

PS a hearty and sincere welcome to DU

[LSK]

55. you should make that a seperate thread

[senseandsensibility]

84. Yes, I agree. Please make this a separate thread.

Please consider it.

[chill_wind]

113. Done. Thanks LSK & SAS-- link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2747012

[MzNov]

51. Frist and his troops have done this many times

with several major pieces of legislation. The Dems just sit, stunned, as usual with a few who really kick and scream. But they still can't do anything about what's going on. It's obscene, dirty and I hope there is a revolt in November so bad that their heads explode.

:dem:

[LSK]

52. is Sander Levin related to Sen Carl Levin???

[Sydnie]

53. I want to celebrate next fourth of july with Bill Thomas

I want to see just how many pretty colors I can make shoot out of his ass!


AAARRRGGGHHHHHH!!

[LSK]

54. .

:rofl:

[annm4peace]

63. Majority people in Bakersfield

Make minumum wage or below. How sad, they are the ones who voted for Rep Thomas..
I hope they are waking up

[Sydnie]

66. And the sad part of all of this is

that by the time this would take place, it really wouldn't be any relief. Things are going to go up well beyond the average person being able to afford anything unless this were to take place retroactively to the beginning of the 2006 tax year.

If any year really needed a $400 early payment, this would be one of them.

[Suich]

76. The term "smarmy" was invented for guys like him!

:hi: I'd like to join you on the 4th!

[Sydnie]

87. I'll bring the fireworks

you bring the video camera! :rofl:

[Suich]

89. Deal!!!

We had a guy here, Rod Chandler, who was a slicked back smarmy...Patty Murray, a complete unknown, ran against him, as the "Mom in tennis shoes." She beat him and is still there!

[Strelnikov_]

56. Scum. Cockroaches.

Notice how all the Reichpublicans come across as swarmy assholes?

[Sydnie]

57. Damn it Charlie ... there you go again

I'm going to need another shower tonight ... winkwink !

[annm4peace]

69. I'm going to need a shower to.

but because I feel gross after watching all these slimy creepy Repukes..
especially Rep. Thomas... I thought Delay was "chickenskin" looking.. but Thomas could
easily replace him.

:yoiks:

[orleans]

58. 800 billion to the super rich? "holding minimum wage hostage" n/t

[LSK]

59. or wait for November and have a free minimum wage

[Sydnie]

61. I give that an AMEN!

Vote it down. Wait the three months and do it right!

[Sydnie]

60. 800 Billion dollars vs 4,160 dollars

The rich will save 800 billion. The minumum wage earner will make $4,160 more if they work 40 hours a week, less if they work less.

This IS a joke.

[Strelnikov_]

62. Sorry. Couldn't Be A Congressman

I could not restrain myself.

Deadwood. Capt. Turner. Dan. You get the picture.

[Sydnie]

64. My film would be on KO's Oddball constantly

I would dog these assholes all the way to the parking lot!

[Nikki Stone 1]

67. Goddamned fucking scumbags

This is about the election. What Dem wants to vote against minimum wage in an election year?

PLEASE WAIT TIL NOVEMBER. Don't vote for the Paris Hilton slut bill!

[Sydnie]

68. Go Miller Go

recommit this lousy bill!

[annm4peace]

70. I'm so mad, This just inspires me to GET OUT THE VOTE

These jerks just gave me more ammunitions when I'm out door knocking,, and out campaigning for House of Rep candidates. I thought I might take it a little easy this weekend.. but no way now.
Thanks you dumb, greedy Bastards !!!!!!!!

:dem:

[MsKandice01]

71. I'm so angry my hands are shaking...

I just want to wipe that smirk off his fucking face.

[LSK]

72. Bill Thomas is offended??? WHAT A DICK!!!!!!!!!!!1

[orleans]

75. no shit what a dick! and a bad actor at that!

wasn't he slurring his words--couldn't say the phrase "other side of the aisle"? maybe he was having a stroke!

i can't believe how dirty these puke assholes are!

(um...yes i can, but still...)

[Sydnie]

78. Thomas having a stroke?

That would be MUST SEE TV! :rofl: Thanks for the visual!

[Donnachaidh]

116. maybe he'd had a few drinks?

To keep his courage up after Rangel tore him a new one on the floor?

[Suich]

79. Actually he's a William!

:rofl:

It's after 1:00am in DC!!!!

[Sydnie]

73. Oh gosh ... I just noticed it was Howdy Doody in the damn speakers

chair! They brought all the puppets out tonight!

[LSK]

74. Yeas and NAys to recommit to remove the estate tax

Watch this fail.

Then the final vote to pass to the Senate.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

85. straight down party lines so far...

bastids!

[Sydnie]

88. Where you been girlfriend?

LSK and I have been bitchin' about them for two hours now! Welcome ... and about time you checked in. :hug:

[Viva_La_Revolution]

91. Damn real life intruding on my Cspan watching again!

:hi:

now it's bedtime, but I'm so angry about this I won't be able to sleep. :mad:

[LSK]

90. hey, this thread is supposed to be your job!!1

:hi:

[Viva_La_Revolution]

94. Thanks for taking up the slack!

:D

:hi:

[orleans]

80. i just tuned in a few minutes ago. jackson lee said we'll go back

and tell people about this crap they're trying to pull!

we should scream it from the rooftops--and we may have to if this fucking msm does it's usual limp job

800 billion to benefit 7500 rich fuckers? fuck that!

in a time of war?

in the biggest deficit in the world???

fuck them!

(can you tell i'm rather irritated to say the least. venting.)


ahhh! now fuckhead is on with his poodle?? get back to the recording of the vote. i don't want to look at the freak!

[LSK]

81. crap, have to watch Chimpy during the vote???

Just shoot us all now!

[orleans]

82. yep. that's what i was thinking n/t

[Sydnie]

86. I'll use it first, then pass it to your neighbor please

[orleans]

92. who are the five dems voting with the pukes? n/t

[Sydnie]

95. Sherrod Brown said he would be voting FOR the bill

but this is the vote to recommit ... so I don't know who the five are.

[orleans]

102. when people find out that these assholes just gave 7500 families

800 billion dollars do they really think the people of this country will want to reelect them?

i don't

it might help their "base" but it's not going to help their reelection. everyone is getting really fucking sick of this shit--that msnbc poll had 87 percent voting to impeach the chimp!

[LSK]

103. thats why the gop is pulling this stunt

So the MSM can say how the dems voted against minimum wage.

Nobody actually reads bills ....

[Norquist Nemesis]

96. I'll bet they are part of the same group of 9 that always pull

that shit. :grr:

[Norquist Nemesis]

93. Looks like at least 5 Dems voting with Cons

Bet it goes to 9.

[LSK]

97. recommit denied - final vote now

[LSK]

98. does anyone else think Tony Blair should be a cartoon character?

:shrug:

[Sydnie]

99. I just can't believe they just said that the US was going to rebuild

Lebanon. What about rebuilding NOLA?

Yeah, he's going to rebuild there, just like he did in Iraq!

[LSK]

101. Halliburtan stock goes for $200

[LSK]

105. bill passes

Next stop the Senate.

[orleans]

107. i want to find out if my puke "rep" voted for this crap

so i can spread the word about what a "great" job she is doing representing us in middle class america

[Viva_La_Revolution]

106. It's passing

:(

I wonder who the Dem Not Voting is?

They better yell this from the mountaintops, and the Senate better shoot it down. :mad:




230 to 180

[Sydnie]

108. We need to work the phones to make sure that they hear us!

Ok, bedtime for me now. As if I could sleep after that ...

[LSK]

109. nite Sydnie

:hi:

[orleans]

110. here's the roll call

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll425.xml

[LSK]

111. that was fast, thx

House is gone till SEPTEMBER!!!

[LSK]

112. why is Sherrod Brown voting for it?

[senseandsensibility]

120. Yes, I don't get it.

Anyone know?:shrug:

[LSK]

121. to his credit, he voted to recommit

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll424.xml

[mom cat]

119. This should be the Dem battle cry across the land in November!

Repukes for the rich!

[SoCalDem]

114. This shit is why we simply MUST have single-issue legislation

If it's so stinky that they have to insert it into necessary legislation at midnight, with no time for either side to debate it or even READ the damned thing, NONE of it gets passed..

Each issue is surely important enough to warrant its own bill.. sink or swim... baybeee

[napi21]

118. I agree, single issue bills seem to make more sense, but they

don't always work either! I believe the scam of a drug coverage bill was pretty close to a single isssue bill, and I well remember it was finally passed in the wee hours of the AM, and after many threats and arm twisting. Many legislators never had a chance to read IT EITHER!

When the multiple issue bills were first used, it was actually a good idea. Many of the issues attached to a congressional bill are very small and really don't require debate, adding them to a major bill was a real time saver. Like so many other changes though, this is being abused!

Signing statements, when Presidents first used them, were used for CLARIFICATION of the bill! ie: I see this bill to mean xxxxxxx. Then came Shrub who is totally misusing signing statements to actually say "I don'pt agree with this section, so I'm not going to abide by it!"

It's the old "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" story AGAIN!

[OneBlueSky]

117. continually cutting taxes in time of war is insane beyond belief . . .

no other Congress in our 230 year history has ever attempted -- or even contemplated -- such actions . . .

and not just once, but over and over and over and over again . . . with the cuts benefiting the extremely wealthy, many of whom are already getting filthy rich by the day through investments and/or participation in the oil, arms, and military contracting industries . . .

lord, what fools these mortals be . . .

[LSK]

122. here is the vote totals on motion to recommit

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll424.xml

AYES 190
NOES 220

[LSK]

123. here is the vote on passage of the bill

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll425.xml

AYES 230
NOES 180