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springhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 02:46 AM
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Another super-patriotic e-mail from my friend, I have to respond
this time. Here is the e-mail I received with my response and an editorial from Andrew Greeley attached. What do you think?

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> WOW, that was a tear jerker... I'd really love to be in a place where
> something like that happened; it would definitely bring instantaneous
> joy to ones heart. And yes I will be sending this to all I know even
> those I believe would not wear red as they might want to know what it's
> all about.
>
>
>
> The daughter of a Soldier
>
> Last week I was in Atlanta, Georgia attending a conference. While I
> was in the airport, returning home, I heard several people behind me
> beginning to clap and cheer. I immediately turned around and witnessed
> one of the greatest acts of patriotism I have ever seen.
>
> Moving through the terminal was a group of soldiers in their camo's as
> they began heading to their gate everyone (well almost everyone) was
> abruptly to their feet with their hands waving and cheering. When I saw
> the soldiers, probably 30-40 of them, being applauded and cheered for,
> it hit me. I'm not alone. I'm not the only red blooded American who
> still loves this country and supports our troops and their families.
>
> Of course I immediately stopped and began clapping for these young
> unsung heroes who are putting their lives on the line everyday for us so
> we can go to school, work and home without fear or reprisal. Just when I
> thought I could not be more proud of my country or of our service men
> and women a young girl, not more than 6 or 7 years old, ran up to one of
> the male soldiers. He kneeled down and said "hi," the little girl then
> she asked him if he would give something to her daddy for her. The young
> soldier, he didn't look any older than maybe 22 years old himself, said
> he would try and what did she want to give to her daddy. Then suddenly
> the little girl grabbed the neck of this soldier, gave him the biggest
> hug she could muster and then kissed him on the cheek.
>
> The mother of the little girl, who said her daughter's name, was
> Courtney, told the young soldier that her husband was a Marine and had
> been in Iraq for 11 months now. As the mom was explaining how much her
> daughter, Courtney, missed her father, the young soldier began to tear
> up. When this temporarily single mom was done explaining her situation,
> all of the soldiers huddled together for a brief second. Then one of the
> other servicemen pulled out a military looking walkie-talkie. They
> started playing with the device and talking back and forth on it. After
> about 10-15 seconds of this, the young soldier walked back over to
> Courtney, bent down and said this to her, "I spoke to your daddy and he
> told me to give this to you." He then hugged this little girl that he
> had just met and gave her a kiss on the cheek. He finished by saying
> "your daddy told me to tell you that he loves you more than anything and
> he is coming home very soon."
>
> The mom at this point was crying almost uncontrollably and as the
> young soldier stood to his feet he saluted Courtney and her mom.
>
> I was standing no more than 6 feet away from this entire event
> unfolded. As the soldiers began to leave, heading towards their gate,
> people resumed their applause. As I stood there applauding and looked
> around, there were very few dry eyes, including my own. That young
> soldier in one last act of selflessness turned around and blew a kiss to
> Courtney with a tear rolling down his cheek.
>
> We need to remember everyday all of our soldiers and their families
> and thank God for them and their sacrifices. At the end of the day, it's
> good to be an American.
>
>
> Red Friday
>
> Just keeping you "in the loop" so you'll know what's going on in case
> this takes off. RED FRIDAYS ----- Very soon, you will see a great many
> people wearing Red every Friday. The reason? Americans who support our
> troops used to be called the "silent majority". We are no longer silent,
> and are voicing our love for God, country and home in record breaking
> numbers. We are not organized, boisterous or over-bearing. We get no
> liberal media coverage on TV, to reflect our message or our opinions.
>
> Many Americans, like you, me and all our friends, simply want to
> recognize that the vast majority of America supports our troops.
> Our idea of showing solidarity and support for our troops with dignity
> and respect starts this Friday - and continues each and every Friday
> until the troops all come home, sending a deafening message that ..
> Every red-blooded American who supports our men and women afar will wear
> something red.
>
> By word of mouth, press, TV -- let's make the United States on every
> Friday a sea of red much like a homecoming football game in the
> bleachers. If every one of us who loves this country will share this
> with acquaintances, co-workers, friends, and family. It will not be long
> before the USA is covered in RED and it will let our troops know the
> once "silent" majority is on their side more than ever, certainly more
> than the media lets on.
>
> The first thing a soldier says when asked "What can we do to make
> things better for you?" is...We need your support and your prayers.
> Let's get the word out and lead with class and dignity, by example;
> and wear something red every Friday.
>
> IF YOU AGREE -- THEN SEND THIS ON!!
>
> IF YOU COULD CARE LESS THEN HIT THE DELETE BUTTON -- IT IS YOUR CHOICE.
>
> WE LIVE IN THE LAND OF THE FREE, ONLY BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE.
>
> THEIR BLOOD RUNS RED---- SO WEAR RED! --- MAY GOD HELP AMERICA TO
> BECOME
>
> ONE NATION, UNDER GOD.
>
>
> .
>
Yes it is heartbreaking that families are torn apart, especially for a war than should never have happened. Very said indeed.


Who grieves for dead Iraqis?

July 28, 2006

BY ANDREW GREELEY

What is the worth of a single Iraqi life?

The New York Times reported that during recent months a hundred Iraqis die violently every day, 3,000 every month. In terms of size of population, that is the equivalent of 300,000 Americans a month, 10,000 every day. Yet the typical television clip on the evening news -- an explosion, automatic weapon fire, dead bodies on the streets -- has become as much a cliche as the weather report or another loss by the Cubs. The dead Iraqis are of no more value to us than artificial humans in video games. The Iraqis seem less than human, pajama-wearing people with dark skin, hate in their eyes, and a weird religion, screaming in pain over their losses. Weep with them, weep for them?

Why bother?

Rarely do Americans tell themselves that the United States of America, the land of the free and the home of the brave, is responsible for this slaughter. In a spasm of arrogance and power, we destroyed their political and social structure and are now unable to protect them from one another. Their blood is on the hands of our leaders who launched a war on false premises, without adequate forces, without plans for the time after the war and then sent in inept administrators who could not provide even a hint of adequate public services.

As Colin Powell, who knows something about war, unlike the president and his top thinkers, told President Bush, "If you break it, you own it." If you shatter a society, it is yours, and you're responsible for it. The United States shattered Iraq and we are responsible for the ensuing chaos that we are unable to control. So a hundred human beings are killed every day, and the most powerful military in the world (as Messrs. Rumsfeld and Cheney insist) is unable to stop the killing.

On most of the standards for a just war, the invasion of Iraq was criminally unjust. Messrs. Wolfowitz, Cheney and Rumsfeld wanted to invade Iraq the day after the World Trade Center attack. They tried to persuade the people that Iraq was somehow involved in the attack. They insisted that the Iraqis possessed weapons of mass destruction. Their arguments for the war, we all know now, were not true.

There was, therefore, no just cause, no attempt to exhaust all possible alternatives short of war, no real hope for victory, no postwar plan, and no ability to prevent the postwar butchery that was easily predictable to those who understood Iraq. The war leaped from slogan to slogan -- weapons of mass destruction, the critical front in the global war on terror, stay the course, freedom and democracy in Iraq. All these slogans are false.

Were America's leaders deliberately lying? Did they really believe that the Shiites and the Sunnis would not murder one another, or did they know better? One must leave the state of their consciences to God. However, they should have known, and in the objective order, they are criminally responsible for the hundred deaths every day. They should be tried for their crimes, not that such trials are possible in our country.

The hundred who die every day are not merely numbers, they are real human beings. Their deaths are personal disasters for the dead person and also for all those who love them: parents, children, wives, husbands. Most Americans are not outraged. Iraqis are a little less than human. If a hundred people were dying every day in our neighborhoods, we would scream in outrage and horror. Not many of us are lamenting these daily tragedies. Quite the contrary, we wish the newscast would go on to the weather for the next weekend.

Is blood on the hands of those Americans who support the war? Again, one must leave them to heaven. But in the objective order it is difficult to see why they are not responsible for the mass murders. They permitted their leaders to deceive them about the war, often enthusiastically. How can they watch the continuing murders in Iraq and not feel guilty?

How would you feel if the street were drenched with the blood of your son or daughter, if your father was in the hospital with his legs blown off?

We cannot permit ourselves to grieve for Iraqi pain because then we would weep bitter and guilty tears every day.

One of the most influential Catholic thinkers and writers of our time, priest, sociologist, author and journalist Father Andrew M. Greeley has built an international assemblage of devout fans over a career that spans five decades. He is the author of over 50 best-selling novels and more than 100 works of non-fiction and his writing has been translated into 12 languages. A Professor of Sociology at the University of Arizona and a Research Associate with the National Opinion Research Center (NORC) at the University of Chicago, Father Greeley is a respected scholar whose current research focuses on the Sociology of Religion.
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Gogi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 03:00 AM
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1. I like it...
but do you think they'll read it?
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springhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 03:02 AM
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2. I have no idea.
Edited on Sat Jul-29-06 03:02 AM by springhill
One can only hope.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 08:24 AM
Response to Reply #1
18. ME no understand too many biggie words .....
Me want pretyy pretty flag....
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 03:09 AM
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3. 'THEIR BLOOD RUNS RED---- SO WEAR RED!'
Wow, I wonder what simpleton had that idea originally!
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Reckon Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 03:25 AM
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4. I like the idea so much I would like to pronounce "Blue Mondays"
I think we should wear blue on Mondays to show our stand for Liberty and as protest against the contempt Bu$h has shown for our Constitution including Signing Statements and his total disregard for the other branches of Government.

Someone should take this and formulate a better statement.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 08:21 AM
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17. Blue Mondays!
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 03:35 AM
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5. Wonder how much money is going to be spent on red shirts?
That money would probably buy a lot of body armour and helmet liners.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 03:47 AM
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6. This is spam, reads like a work of fiction, check Snopes for it
It reads like a gen-you-wine urban legend. If you have the energy, ask your friend if s/he was there in person, or if it was a friend of a friend.

I don't know why, but every one of these things reads like it was churned out by the same person, a patchwork of half-truths and mealy-mouthed piety.

We ALL "support the troops." Some of us just want them to come home right now, in one piece.

Sorry, I'm tired. I managed to get off the spam list of an acquaintance of mine, and I wish you luck.

Hekate

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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 05:57 AM
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7. Check snopes. It can't be true.
So this person turned around and saw all the troops coming out and everyone started cheering and clapping? And over all that cheering and clapping the narrator heard the ENTIRE dialogue exchange between the little girl, the mother, and the soldier. This is a narrative. It reads like a narrative. I seriously doubt it is true.
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idgiehkt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 04:33 PM
Response to Reply #7
34. so who wrote it?
who writes this stuff? does anyone know? who do they send it to initially, where are they purchasing their mailing list of morons to distribute it?

Is stuff like this written in the back room of the heritage foundation, or AEI? I am just dying to know who runs the jingoist of the month club. Wonder if these writers are paid well..
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 08:24 PM
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36. Pfft. No one has to purchase a mailing list anymore. Welcome to Internet
One tipoff for spam is the chain-letter admonition to SEND THIS TO EVERYONE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK!!!!! OR ELSE YOU HATE FLUFFY BUNNIES!!!!!

As for who writes it, gods only know.

Hekate
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 07:26 AM
Response to Reply #6
13. That was my immediate reaction also
It reads like it came directly from some screen-writer's keyboard - you can just see it up on the big screen as Brad or Nicholas or whoever gets shipped off to war.
I don't believe it, pure and simple.
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 12:02 PM
Response to Reply #6
30. I got a version of the same e-mail
a couple of weeks ago. I deleted it.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #30
35. What a coincidence, you folks know the same people.
Who writes these right wing fantasy narratives?
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #35
38. Isn't it, though?
The truly amazing thing is that there have been times when I've received variations of the same right-wing talking points within a short span of time from people who don't know each other, but who know me. Funny how these things work.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 06:03 AM
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8. "Red Fridays" sounds like something to be afraid of.
I can see it in the history books 50 years from now.

The Red Friday Brigade began in 2006 as a measure to show quasi-covert support for "traditional values" and "troop support." By 2007, Otto Lee Heimsletter organized the Red Friday Brigade into a paramilitary unit that marched through the streets of small town America, first as a show of strength, then in a militia capacity. After the murder and rape of six homosexuals in 2008 at the hands of the Brigade, the FBI was asked to inquire into the RFB's tactics. That request was suppressed by George Bush. After the invasion of Iran and the subsequent draft of the entire National Guard, the RFB took the position of guarding the Homeland. Etc..."
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neweurope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 07:14 AM
Response to Reply #8
9. I agree...
:applause:



-----------------------

Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 07:14 AM
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10. springhill:
Please be aware that DU copyright rules require that excerpts of copyrighted material be limited to six paragraphs and must include a link to the original source.

In the future, please insure your posts adhere to this standard.

TIA,

unhappycamper
DU Moderator
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 08:01 AM
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15. Deleted
Edited on Sat Jul-29-06 08:02 AM by acmejack
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neweurope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 07:16 AM
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11. Excuse me, I'm sick...
:puke:

What utter nonsense. It's not heart wrenching, it's stomach wrenching.


-----------------------

Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!
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union_maid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 07:18 AM
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12. This has probably been going around for a while
Someone where I work proposed the Red Friday thing at least a year ago. Since her son was in Iraq at the time, a few people sort of tried to go along with it. That lasted about two weeks, since no one there really supports the war itself.
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 07:30 AM
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14. Snopes is researching it right now
I'll be interested to see the result

http://www.snopes.com/glurge/daughter.asp
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Shipwack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 08:07 AM
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16. I thought Snopes had disproved at east part of this before...
... at least the "Red Friday" part. I too doubt this story for various reasons, not the least of which is that the first part is remarkably similar to a beer commercial that ran during the Super Bowl a few years ago.

Sorry, no links provided; I'm on vacation in NJ right now and the family is waiting on me so we can go to the Boardwalk....
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 08:25 AM
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19. That isn't patriotism...
It's nationalism. When people base their political ideologies on flags, parades and sentimental drivel, it's nationalism in the "My country right or wrong" form.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 08:37 AM
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20. Only one word for this kind of stuff: Glurge.
Edited on Sat Jul-29-06 08:38 AM by mcscajun
In ordinary language, glurge is the sending of inspirational (often supposedly "true") tales that conceal much darker meanings than the uplifting moral lessons they purport to offer, and that undermine their messages by fabricating and distorting historical fact in the guise of offering a "true story."

http://www.snopes.com/glurge/glurge.asp#hooper


Only one possible reaction to glurge: :puke:
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 08:45 AM
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21. Just more lame-brained, confused reasoning
with a bunch of stupid and inaccurate assumptions:

1. If you don't agree with Bush's illegal, immoral war, you must certainly HATE the troops, God and our country? Right?

2. If we didn't go into Iraq, we'd all be wearing burkas right now, correct?

3. Bush's lame-brained followers are in the majority.

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 09:04 PM
Response to Reply #21
37. I kept waiting for the part where the long-haired hippie type
wearing an "I hate America" t-shirt jeered and spit at the soldiers before shouting, "Murderers! I hope you all die!"

This was tame compared to some I've seen. But still scary, because the whole "Red Friday" thing is just another tactic to polarize people into "patriots" and "Murka-haters."

I wish I could believe this will end well. It just gets worse and worse.

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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 09:05 AM
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22. One of my co-workers was wearing a red shirt yesterday
and I'm sure that's why. I teased him about the blinding color and he laughed but he said he would be wearing it every Friday. He is a fundy and listens to Christian talk radio quietly at his desk. Loves guns and knives. Afraid of black people. Thinks the military can do no wrong.

He's a nice guy. Has a son who is career military. I told him a few weeks ago that I was a pacifist and went to peace rallies. I told him I was especially upset that war now involves killing civilians. (Starting with the obvious.) He said, I'd like to believe that our military doesn't do that. I said, I'd like to believe that too, but I don't. End of conversation.

These people have to work really hard at blocking out the truth. Does supporting the troops mean supporting Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld unconditionally? Only the morally blind could think that.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 09:06 AM
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23. Europeans are already doing Red Friday, as a WAR PROTEST
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 11:02 AM
Response to Reply #23
26. yes, this was proposed when the war started,
iirc, it was a nazi era protest that folks tried to resurrect. no wonder they are co-opting it.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 09:31 AM
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24. So the military has walkie talkies that can reach Iraq?
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 09:38 AM
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25. I got this almost verbatim almost 3 years ago.
These Fwd Fwd Fwd people really make email a pain sometimes.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 11:23 AM
Response to Reply #25
27. imagibnen how the NSA feels, reading it over & over & over again. lol
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 11:23 AM
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28. Well, snopes can't disprove this
Because it is my unverified anecdotal story. When I was going to a scientific conference in Florida, there was one lonely soldier sitting in the smoking room of the airport. He had one person at either side of him, but he was not saying much. He eyes went right through the wall. He looked tired and hopelessly separated from his otehrwise routine American surroundings.

I could not help myself, I went over to him (where the ashtray was, anyways) and thanked him for his service. He looked up and told me that thanking him for his service would be getting him and his buddies out of there. The two next to him (civilians) nodded along with him. No one asked why he seemed so upset, not that I think he would have told us, anyways. By the way, he drove a tank in Iraq.

Then I realized, all four of us were against the war, the solder included.

Not everyone who cheers soldiers is a Bushbot. We need to all bear that in mind, especially these freepers and their red shirts.

As if the red is for the soldiers....it is for the Republican party. This country is not red, it is red, white, and blue.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 04:29 PM
Response to Reply #28
33. Now that sounds like a true story.
A quiet conversation between a few people, not a massive party erupting in an airport.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 11:24 AM
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29. "without fear or reprisal"
Edited on Sat Jul-29-06 11:25 AM by WilliamPitt
Really?

Cool. I can put away my plastic sheeting and duct tape. Anyone want to buy a personal skyscraper-escape parachute, as seen on NBC? It hasn't been used...yet.

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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 12:03 PM
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31. There is a difference between patriotism and jingoism
The email you recieved was full of jingoistic bullshit.

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 12:04 PM
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32. .
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