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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 09:13 AM
Original message
I am more educated about Hezbollah's rockets
than I ever imagined I would be. Apparently Hezbollah is "escalating" the conflict by firing a rocket that goes a couple miles longer.

If anyone has any questions on the rockets that Hezbollah has, just ask me or call CNN. Coming up, interview with Benjamin Netanyahu, and an alternative viewpoint from Danny Gillerman, Israeli UN ambassador.
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 09:22 AM
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1. They are reasonably well documented on line
There is some concern that the longer range one are stored in Syria and brought into Lebanon to launch and then are moved back, AKA shoot and scoot. That means we should expect more air strikes along the Syrian border, escalating tension there.

Another item to consider is that the larger/longer range rockets require a larger and very distinctive launcher much easier to detect and destroy.

I have to wonder how much longer it will be before the US brings in its satellites or even JSTARS to help track launchers and convoys. Its would be a mixed blessing for the IDF. They would be able to track launches as the left the launch sites, but it would also be 3rd party eyes on the battlefield. It would also be seen directly supporting Israel by the Arab street and bring more repercussions there.

I am also waiting for the next C-802 launches. Those are much more scary than the rockets due to throw weight, target capacity, and ability to change payloads.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 09:24 AM
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2. I believe you missed the sarcastic reference
to the psy-ops that take place daily on CNN.
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laura888 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 09:27 AM
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3. Are there any Arabs represented as an...
..."alternative viewpoint?"
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 09:27 AM
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4. Not on Saturday morning, but you can probably catch the token
Edited on Sat Jul-29-06 09:28 AM by burythehatchet
on Friday night at 11:30 PM.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 10:03 AM
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15. Well struck.
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 09:52 AM
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9. Sorry, the AM coffee has not kicked in yet...
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 10:45 AM
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24. Sarcasm, unless it's brutally in your face, usually just doesn't work
that well in a text medium like this. Agree with you on the psy-ops, though, CNN and MSNBC used to seem so much more subtle. Now it's like Fox just dialed down a notch to 10.
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QuestionAll... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #1
51. how can they be moved back...
and forth over destroyed roads...
?

any reports of these transports being bombed? I have heard that civilians trying to escape have been... surely there should be some hard evidence of this back and forth arms thing.

honest question here.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 09:29 AM
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5. if Hezbollah starts hitting the outskirts of Tel Aviv
and apparently they have rockets that can

you're going to see an escalation of this conflict -

that will make the current activities seem like a Sunday drive


psy - ops or not...
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 09:32 AM
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6. Yes I do recognize that
Edited on Sat Jul-29-06 09:32 AM by burythehatchet
the point is that there is no detailed description of the israeli munitions, only the rockets that Hezbollah fires. This way, the Fox/CNN propoganda machine can convince their zombie viewers that it Hezbollah that is controlling the escalation. With a kill ratio of 10:1 against, they're escalating the conflict. Manufacturing consent.
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laura888 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 09:34 AM
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8. You are so right.
The slant regarding this conflict is unbelievable.

As bad as the leadup to the Iraqi invasion.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 09:55 AM
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10. Try and even find the Arab viewpoint and you are immediately
accused of anti-semitism. Here is something I found:

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2928


Media Advisory

Down the Memory Hole
Israeli contribution to conflict is forgotten by leading papers

7/28/06

In the wake of the most serious outbreak of Israeli/Arab violence in years, three leading U.S. papers—the Washington Post, New York Times and Los Angeles Times—have each strongly editorialized that Hamas in Gaza and Hezbollah in Lebanon were solely responsible for sparking violence, and that the Israeli military response was predictable and unavoidable. These editorials ignored recent events that indicate a much more complicated situation.

Beginning with the Israeli attack on Gaza, a New York Times editorial (6/29/06) headlined "Hamas Provokes a Fight" declared that "the responsibility for this latest escalation rests squarely with Hamas," and that "an Israeli military response was inevitable." The paper (7/15/06) was similarly sure in its assignment of blame after the fighting spread to Lebanon: "It is important to be clear about not only who is responsible for the latest outbreak, but who stands to gain most from its continued escalation. Both questions have the same answer: Hamas and Hezbollah."

The Washington Post (7/14/06) agreed, writing that "Hezbollah and its backers have instigated the current fighting and should be held responsible for the consequences." The L.A. Times (7/14/06) likewise wrote that "in both cases Israel was provoked." Three days and scores of civilian deaths later, the Times (7/17/06) was even more direct: "Make no mistake about it: Responsibility for the escalating carnage in Lebanon and northern Israel lies with one side...and that is Hezbollah."

As FAIR noted in a recent Action Alert (7/19/06), the portrayal of Israel as the innocent victim in the Gaza conflict is hard to square with the death toll in the months leading up to the current crisis; between September 2005 and June 2006, 144 Palestinians in Gaza were killed by Israeli forces, according to a list compiled by the Israeli human rights group B'tselem; 29 of those killed were children. During the same period, no Israelis were killed as a result of violence from Gaza.

In a July 21 CounterPunch column, Alexander Cockburn highlighted some of the violent incidents that have dropped out of the media’s collective memory:


Let's go on a brief excursion into pre-history. I’m talking about June 20, 2006, when Israeli aircraft fired at least one missile at a car in an attempted extrajudicial assassination attempt on a road between Jabalya and Gaza City. The missile missed the car. Instead it killed three Palestinian children and wounded 15.

Back we go again to June 13, 2006. Israeli aircraft fired missiles at a van in another attempted extrajudicial assassination. The successive barrages killed nine innocent Palestinians.

Now we're really in the dark ages, reaching far, far back to June 9, 2006, when Israel shelled a beach in Beit Lahiya killing eight civilians and injuring 32.

That's just a brief trip down Memory Lane, and we trip over the bodies of twenty dead and forty-seven wounded, all of them Palestinians, most of them women and children.

On June 24, the day before Hamas' cross-border raid, Israel made an incursion of its own, capturing two Palestinians that it said were members of Hamas (something Hamas denied—L.A. Times, 6/25/06). This incident received far less coverage in U.S. media than the subsequent seizure of the Israeli soldier; the few papers that covered it mostly dismissed it in a one-paragraph brief (e.g., Chicago Tribune, 6/25/06), while the Israeli taken prisoner got front-page headlines all over the world. It's likely that most Gazans don’t share U.S. news outlets' apparent sense that captured Israelis are far more interesting or important than captured Palestinians.

The situation in Lebanon is also more complicated than its portrayal in U.S. media, with the roots of the current crisis extending well before the July 12 capture of two Israeli soldiers by Hezbollah. A major incident fueling the latest cycle of violence was a May 26, 2006 car bombing in Sidon, Lebanon, that killed a senior official of Islamic Jihad, a Palestinian group allied with Hezbollah. Lebanon later arrested a suspect, Mahmoud Rafeh, whom Lebanese authorities claimed had confessed to carrying out the assassination on behalf of Mossad (London Times, 6/17/06).

Israel denied involvement with the bombing, but even some Israelis are skeptical. "If it turns out this operation was effectively carried out by Mossad or another Israeli secret service," wrote Yediot Aharonot, Israel’s top-selling daily (6/16/06; cited in AFP, 6/16/06), "an outsider from the intelligence world should be appointed to know whether it was worth it and whether it lays groups open to risk."

In Lebanon, Israel's culpability was taken as a given. "The Israelis, in hitting Islamic Jihad, knew they would get Hezbollah involved too," Amal Saad-Ghorayeb, a professor at Beirut’s Lebanese American University, told the New York Times (5/29/06). "The Israelis had to be aware that if they assassinated this guy they would get a response."

And, indeed, on May 28, Lebanese militants in Hezbollah-controlled territory fired Katyusha rockets at a military vehicle and a military base inside Israel. Israel responded with airstrikes against Palestinian camps deep inside Lebanon, which in turn were met by Hezbollah rocket and mortar attacks on more Israeli military bases, which prompted further Israeli airstrikes and "a steady artillery barrage at suspected Hezbollah positions" (New York Times, 5/29/06). Gen. Udi Adam, the commander of Israel’s northern forces, boasted that "our response was the harshest and most severe since the withdrawal" of Israeli troops from Lebanon in 2000 (Chicago Tribune, 5/29/06).

This intense fighting was the prelude to the all-out warfare that began on July 12, portrayed in U.S. media as beginning with an attack out of the blue by Hezbollah. While Hezbollah's capture of two Israeli soldiers may have reignited the smoldering conflict, the Israeli air campaign that followed was not a spontaneous reaction to aggression but a well-planned operation that was years in the making.

"Of all of Israel’s wars since 1948, this was the one for which Israel was most prepared," Gerald Steinberg, a political science professor at Israel's Bar-Ilan University, told the San Francisco Chronicle (7/21/05). "By 2004, the military campaign scheduled to last about three weeks that we’re seeing now had already been blocked out and, in the last year or two, it’s been simulated and rehearsed across the board." The Chronicle reported that a "senior Israeli army officer" has been giving PowerPoint presentations for more than a year to "U.S. and other diplomats, journalists and think tanks" outlining the coming war with Lebanon, explaining that a combination of air and ground forces would target Hezbollah and "transportation and communication arteries."

Which raises a question: If journalists have been told by Israel for more than a year that a war was coming, why are they pretending that it all started on July 12? By truncating the cause-and-effect timelines of both the Gaza and Lebanon conflicts, editorial boards at major U.S. dailies gravely oversimplify the decidedly more complex nature of the facts on the ground.



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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 10:00 AM
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12. thanks for posting that
it deserves a thread of its own. :thumbsup:
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laura888 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 10:01 AM
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14. Yup. I second that. n/t
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 10:43 AM
Response to Reply #12
23. I third that. That post needs to have its own thread. (nt)
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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 11:50 AM
Response to Reply #10
43. There's even more to this
You wrote...
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A major incident fueling the latest cycle of violence was a May 26, 2006 car bombing in Sidon, Lebanon, that killed a senior official of Islamic Jihad, a Palestinian group allied with Hezbollah. Lebanon later arrested a suspect, Mahmoud Rafeh, whom Lebanese authorities claimed had confessed to carrying out the assassination on behalf of Mossad (London Times, 6/17/06).
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The Lebanese Army intellegence via the Lebanese leadership tried to bring forth the physical evidence to the UN, but they were threatened with aid monies and dissuaded by the US ambassador Jeffery Feltman. The Army has also taken credit for uncovering the ring and denies Hezbollah had anything to do with the operation.

The Hezbollah rocket fire was stepped up two days after the assassination and before they knew of the Mossad ring. After the Lebanese army went public with their findings things really started heating up.
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 10:00 AM
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13. I think it's pretty clear that if Hizbollah stopped the rockets and
suicide bombers that they've been using against Israel for DECADES, then Israel will stop their military action. After all, Israel isn't at war with Hizbollah every single day, like the converse, which is true.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 10:08 AM
Response to Reply #13
16. Not to bother you with the facts, but ISRAEL IS IN THEIR COUNTRY.
So they aren't going to stop anything until Israel gets out.
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #16
34. They're firing rockets into Israel from "their country"
and they've been doing it for decades. Apparently that doesn't bother you.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 11:30 AM
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42. If you want someone to stop something, you get out of their living room.
When you go into someone's space, they are not going to stop whatever it is until you get out of it. THEN you can get them to stop.

Otherwise, being in their space and making demands is not really a good faith demand. It is an excuse to stay in their space.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 10:10 AM
Response to Reply #13
18. Sheer nonsense. See post #10.
:shrug:
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 11:13 AM
Response to Reply #18
35. If it weren't for the Israeli military, those in Gaza, Syria, and a lot of
other places in the middle east would kill all the Israelis and take over the land. I think the Israelis have a right to a homeland free from military attacks from their neighbors.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 11:19 AM
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38. That was the case at one time.
There is no physical possibility for Arab countries could threaten Israel's existance. Only Israel threatens Israel's existance any more.

Hama offered to recognize Israel just prior to hostilities breaking out in Gaza. Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, and others have all recignized Israel. Its a process that cannot be diverted, unless by continued war.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #35
41. More hysterical/historical hyperbole?
I think Israel's neighbors have a right to be free from military attacks and occupation by the IDF.

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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 04:14 PM
Response to Reply #35
46. Yes, they do....but perhaps not in the Middle East.
"I think the Israelis have a right to a homeland free from military attacks from their neighbors."

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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 09:57 AM
Response to Reply #5
11. If the rockets reach Tel Aviv, Israel will invade Iran.
Hezbollah is just Iran's mercenary army anyways.
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 10:10 AM
Response to Reply #11
17. "Israel Will Invade Iran"?!?!?
The United States would have to raise an Army of 5 M+ to invade Iran and keep even a marginal lid on the regional instability that would result.

How, praytell, does a country of 6 M pull this off?
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 11:04 AM
Response to Reply #17
27. Pull up a chair and grab some popcorn
:popcorn:
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 11:52 AM
Response to Reply #27
44. Yes, That Response Is Firmly Grounded In Reality
Sploink
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 10:13 AM
Response to Reply #11
19. kill, kill, kill
Freedoms on the March
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 10:51 AM
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25. "Hezbollah is just Iran's mercenary army anyways"
That's certainly what Israel and Condi and Bush want us to think, anyways.

The reality is Hezbollah does what it wants.

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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 11:03 AM
Response to Reply #25
26. With the money and weapons they get from Iran.
No Iranian money and weapons = no Hizbolla.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 11:05 AM
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28. How much money do they get from Iran? How many weapons?
Do tell.

And while you're at it I'd be interested to know if you consider Israel to be nothing but a USA mercenary.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 11:08 AM
Response to Reply #28
32. That's a double standard for which I have yet to
hear a legitimate reason. We sell to all parties, directly or indirectly, including Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Arabia, Qatar, Israel, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India.....................................
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 11:08 AM
Response to Reply #28
33. They're getting newer and longer ranges missiles
and they're not pulling them out of their asses.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 11:14 AM
Response to Reply #33
36. They could increase the power of their arsenal by 500%
and still not come close to Israel's firepower.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 11:22 AM
Response to Reply #33
39. Who? Israel?
You need to realize that nations buy weapons from other nations. The USA is fast-tracking a missile shipment to Israel, which I'm sure you knew.

The suggestion that Iran is part of this war because Hezbollah has weapons that originated in Iran is Bush/Condi/Israel propaganda, nothing more.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 11:05 AM
Response to Reply #26
29. I think you miss the point that the vast majority of the public
supports these militias. For those people, it is their only line of defense. So I would have to dissent from the view that No Iran = No Hezbollah.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #29
45. the Lebanese public?
Hezbollah got... what? 35 seats in the most recent election?

That's not a majority of the public... it's very much a minority - at least if you're measuring political support in a democracy....

What do you consider support?
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 11:07 PM
Response to Reply #45
47. polls are running 82% support for them in Lebanon
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 10:51 AM
Response to Reply #47
48. suppport in their current conflict with Israel?
Support for the overarching Hezbollah goal - to wipe Israel off the face of the earth?

Is this support going to translate into political gains in the next Lebanese elections?

Or will the people of Lebanon abandon democracy and install Hezbollah into the leadership?





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Euphen Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 11:04 AM
Response to Reply #45
49. According to this poll even the majority of Christians support Hezbollah.
Poll finds support for Hizbullah's retaliation
Opinions diverge on sectarian lines - but not completely

The survey consisted of direct questions concerning respondents' position regarding Hizbullah's role in the conflict.

The answers to the first question showed a relatively high level of support for Hizbullah's capture of two Israeli soldiers, contrasting the positions of some local political forces' condemnation of the operation. Such support was based on a belief that Israel and the US intended to implement UN Security Council Resolution 1559 by force, regardless of whether Hizbullah carried out the July 12 raid.

Moreover, the results show the majority of Lebanese believe the only way to liberate Lebanese detainees in Israeli prisons is through the capture of Israeli soldiers and a prisoner swap, as was the case in 2000.

The survey showed near-identical numbers as an earlier survey, published by As-Safir on March 2. That survey showed 70.9 percent support for Hizbullah operations to capture Israeli soldiers.

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=1&categ_id=1&article_id=74334
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 05:51 PM
Response to Reply #49
50. 48% to 55% support Hezbollah kidnapping Israeli soldiers
support for that action in the Druze community (an Islamic sect) has fallen from 55% to 40%.

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Well, if the majority support the kidnapping of soldiers, I guess they're willing to accept the consequences...

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I support the idea of kicking my neighbor's dog, who barks all the time. As long as the dog bites someone else.



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I think these sort of polls are kind of meaningless.
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Euphen Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 06:08 PM
Response to Reply #50
52. I don't believe that the killing of civilians is justified regardless of
their beliefs. This goes for the Israelis and the Lebanese.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 06:19 PM
Response to Reply #52
53. I don't either
It's possible for both sides to be wrong. Or right.

---------------

I'm reminded of a lyric from the band X - the song is called "I must not think bad thoughts"

both sides are right but both sides murder
I give up why can't they


That refrain has been running through my head for days now.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #26
30. No Us Money
no Israeli military....

You can't win your argument. There is NO JUSTIFICATION for the disproportionate killing of civilians in Lebanon.
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #30
31. "No Israel" is a lot of people's goal in this whole affair
...
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 11:16 AM
Response to Reply #31
37. And Your Attitude Is Creating More
hatred for the very country you so ardently and fanatically support. So kill more innocent civilians and create more Bin Ladens..... dumb.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 11:25 AM
Response to Reply #31
40. Ah, so Israel is justified in destroying Lebanon because some
in the Mid-East would like to see Israel gone. Good logic.

The irony is that Israel is sowing the seeds of future violence with it's grossly over the top response. And don't come back and tell me that those with violence in their hearts towards Israel had it there before this. After the initial and perfectly justified response of Israel I read a lot of support and agreement that it was justified in the moderate Arab street (which is the majority of Arabs). Since it's become apparent that Israel seeks to destroy Lebanese infrastructure and since they've been bombing a lot more indiscriminately in an apparent punitive fashion that opinion has shifted.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 09:33 AM
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7. LMFAO
Edited on Sat Jul-29-06 09:34 AM by jonnyblitz
:rofl: :thumbsup:
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 10:25 AM
Response to Original message
20. You Must Have Watched This...
Video recently.

Jay

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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 10:34 AM
Response to Reply #20
21. Apartheid
But then we know that our leaders support apartheid

"Whitewashing" is the only word to describe the weak explanations offered by Dick Cheney about his votes on South Africa during the apartheid era. Ever since the peaceful advent of democracy in Pretoria, politicians like Cheney who habitually coddled the old racist regime have escaped accountability for their actions. And he is still relying on our customary national amnesia to wave away the questions raised by his vice presidential nomination.

For American conservatives who misused their influence to defend apartheid, the controversy over Cheney's congressional voting record actually presents an opportunity to own up to their terrible mistakes. Unfortunately, however, Cheney and his supporters have prevaricated and obfuscated rather than admitting forthrightly that they were on the wrong side. This disingenuous response is a poor start for a man who boasts that he and George W. Bush will restore straight talk and integrity to the White House.

Cheney bristled in response to questions about his voting record, revealing a mindset that never understood what was at stake in South Africa -- or perhaps understood all too well. Challenged last Sunday to defend his 1985 vote against a House resolution urging the release of Nelson Mandela from 23 years of imprisonment, he first denounced such inquiries as "trivia." Does he really think that the oppression inflicted on millions of black citizens during more than five decades was a trivial matter?

He quickly tried to correct that gaffe, praising Mandela as "a great man." (He also remarked, with baffling condescension, that the African leader has "mellowed," whatever that means.) He had opposed the resolution to free Mandela, according to Cheney, because it was attached to recognition of the African National Congress.

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laura888 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 10:37 AM
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22. Mandella is acceptable now because his cause is...
...so clearly exposed as the correct one.

Cheney only understands (perhaps not in this order)

1) Might
2) Money
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