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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 12:58 PM
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Holy shite
Israel hits Lebanese highway at border with Syria - about a mile from Syria - MSNBC. Condi is back.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 12:59 PM
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1. That's two pieces of very bad news
very, very bad news.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:04 PM
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3. Two more UN peacekeepers injured
as well - don't know where.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/

The Israeli strikes were onekm from the Syrian border - three airstrikes between Lebanese and Syrian immigration offices. Crossing closed now for the first time since start of attacks.
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MoseyWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:02 PM
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2. there will be no escape
damn, this is indeed very, very bad news.

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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:05 PM
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4. Great
*getting under the bed*
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:08 PM
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5. The two UN peacekeepers
are from India - moderately hurt whatever the fugg that means. Outpost hit.

Meanwhile Syria has closed down the border crossing.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:16 PM
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7. Spooking Syria craks open the gates of hell
If conflict between Israel and Syria breaks out, the fighting will in all likelihood not stay between them alone. Syria and Iran signed a mutual defense pact not so long ago, which means fighting one could be tantamount to fighting both. While Israel's military capabilities are undeniably substantial, a war against Syria or Iran, or both, would be no simple task.

Beyond the dangers involved in such a clash lies the potential for a widened conflict that draws the United States in. Iran's batteries of Sunburn missiles, if unleashed from their mountainous shoreline overlooking the Persian Gulf, could attack heavy American warships patrolling those waters. The Sunburn has the capability of defeating Aegis radar systems, so damage to the American fleet could be severe. Iran likewise has the ability to, overnight, bring their fight against Israel to the American soldiers in Iraq; Iran's Shiite allies all across Iraq can introduce a whole new front in that struggle.

There are also economic ramifications to consider. If Iran is attacked, or if their government chooses to squeeze the Western world, they could decide to turn off the petroleum spigot. Gas prices in America climbed again through the middle of July, but a disruption of petroleum distribution on this level would send those prices skyrocketing and badly shake the global economy.

Syria, if pressed into a corner by Israel's effective attacks, could choose to break the seal on the final and most dangerous option: their stockpile of chemical weaponry. If gas bombs are used against Israeli troops, and explode within Israel's borders, the situation will spiral completely out of control. Israel would erupt in rage and visit a terrible retribution on both Syria and Iran.

Today, across the Middle East, anger at Israel's military actions in Lebanon and America's unconditional support for this seethes in every capital city. The San Jose Mercury News has reported, "Even in the Christian sections of Beirut, which are largely immune to the violence, anger at Israel is growing. 'If they keep targeting civilians like this, they're only hurting themselves,' said Riad Khattar, the Christian owner of an Internet cafe in Beirut. 'Even the Christians are now starting to support Hezbollah. This was not the fact before the war. By killing civilians, they are making Hezbollah stronger and stronger.'"

Should Israel envelop Iran and Syria in a massive retaliatory attack, that seething anger could boil over. Even the Arab governments who chastised Hezbollah would be forced to choose between opposing Israel or being themselves toppled by the swell.

Here, then, we reach one of the most frightening possibilities in all this. If such an eruption of anger reaches Pakistan, , whose hard-core fundamentalists are umbilically and spiritually tied to their Taliban neighbors in Afghanistan, Pakistani president Pervez Musharraf could be faced with a sudden revolution. Such a revolt would come both from his population and from within the ranks of his Taliban-friendly military. If his government is toppled, the world will be faced with the fact that a nuclear power has been overthrown by Islamic extremists.

There is today in Pakistan an American special forces unit whose sole purpose is to secure and remove that nation's nuclear arsenal in the event of revolt. If that unit loses the race to get hold of the weapons, Pakistan's nuclear weapons will be loose amid a hellbroth of anti-Israeli and anti-American rage all across the region.

If this last bit involving Pakistan seems too farfetched, someone should let the editors of the Los Angeles Times know. The following appeared in the Opinion section of their Sunday edition: "Al Qaeda has had Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf in its sights for years, and the organization finally gets its man. Pakistan descends into chaos as militants roam the streets and the army struggles to restore order. India decides to exploit the vacuum and punish the Kashmir-based militants it blames for the recent Mumbai railway bombings. Meanwhile, U.S. special operations forces sent to secure Pakistani nuclear facilities face off against an angry mob."

At this point, the scenario becomes unutterably grim for the Americans who think this fight does not involve them. It was, after all, the violence between Israel, Palestine and Lebanon back in the 1980s that inspired men like Ramsi Yousef to attack the World Trade Center in the first place. The Bush administration would be largely powerless to stop these attacks, because anti-terror funding has been redirected to bean festivals in Indiana instead of major capitols and seats of infrastructure, and because our first-warning intelligence services have been savaged in an ideological purge.

The exact kind of violence taking place today is what brought terrorism to our shores. If it is allowed to continue or expand, there is no guarantee that it will not return here again. If the scenario involving the fall of Pakistan becomes a reality, everyone between Portland ME and Portland OR will be hiding under their beds.

Wheee.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:39 PM
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10. Will it is my view that Bushco wants
that. I also believe that the US government has been overtaken my raving criminal lunatics who actually believe you can slaughter thousands of people for power. US citizens better stop this madness or we're all doomed.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:45 PM
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12. They HAVE slaughtered thousands for power & profit
They will keep doing same until they are smacked down by military brass that says ENOUGH. Congress sure as hell dropped the ball.

Where is Cheney?
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:48 PM
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13. Correct but they are prepared to kill
thousands more - this is like the slaughter of the indigenous people in America except the weapons are a zillion times more deadly.

Somebody, anybody STOP THESE MADMEN
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:44 PM
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11. Send Rumsfeld a map
Point out where our very exhausted troops are stranded. Two front war with tired troops using worn out equipment from bases they can't even control.

Never hoped for the Military Brass to pull a coup, but now might be the time. Somebody with a brain HAS to stop the neocon/Likud machine.

Will, what scares the crap outta me is thinking about all those far RW fundie types at the Air Force Academy. The Army and Marines may have sane leaders who would balk, but if the Air Force is filled with End Timer Brass...
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 10:18 PM
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24. LeMay's children
Edited on Sat Jul-29-06 10:18 PM by WilliamPitt
:scared:
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:14 PM
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6. somebody in LBN said Syria just closed its border w/Lebanon
because of IDF shelling. :scared:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:34 PM
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8. That was also on MSNBC
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:51 PM
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16. MSNBS and Reuters links
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:37 PM
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9. Rapture Time!

Rapture Time!
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:49 PM
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14. Fugg rapture let's save some lives n/t
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:50 PM
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15. No no, let the rapture happen so I can get a new car!
I'll take one of Falwell's Bentleys or maybe one of the Rolls Royces!
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 02:47 PM
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22. I only want bank accounts n/t
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:51 PM
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17. I was thinking the same thing, though I don't feel like dancing.
Edited on Sat Jul-29-06 01:53 PM by TheGoldenRule
Those crazy fuckers scare the hell out of me now! :scared:
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:56 PM
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18. ...
U.S. may be forced to restore contacts with Syria
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003160433_lebside29.html

In U.S., Calls Grow for Direct Contact With Syria
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-syria29jul29,1,7583004.story?coll=la-headlines-world

"Still, Bush appeared Friday to be avoiding any repeat of his earlier criticisms of Damascus. When asked what message he had for Syria and Iran during a news conference with visiting British Prime Minister Tony Blair, the president passed up a chance to bash the Syrians, instead offering what seemed to be an invitation to get involved.

Blair, answering the same question, went further, saying Syria and Iran faced a choice, either to risk increasing confrontation or to "come in and participate as proper and responsible members of the international community."


Peace Train
The Bush - Blair MidEast Plan
http://www.slate.com/id/2146836

"Plus, although the president did call on Syria to "become an active participant in the neighborhood for peace," the Bush-Blair plan seems to assume that a settlement can happen without Syria's help, which, the Times alone points out, is something few diplomats, except those in the Bush administration, think is possible."
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 02:52 PM
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23. Diplomat has a new
meaning for these morons.
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:57 PM
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19. All part of the Measured Response to end terror. Mission Accomplished.
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:59 PM
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20. Meanwhile the MSM ignores our own wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Notice how the media is giving this FULL coverage, as if war was some new thing we were witnessing. All the while, totally IGNORING our DESTRUCTION of Iraq and Afghanistan...

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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 02:04 PM
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21. What day was it this past week, when DOD announced NOBODY LEAVING
Iraq?

Think they knew sumthin they weren't sending to the media stenographers and talking point readers?
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