Toddler Crushed By Dad In Humvee: "an unfortunate, national phenomenon"?

[omega minimo]

After someone crushes their toddler with the family suburban assault vehicle, is it time to check the market for other options?


Since when did we start calling military vehicles “SUVs”?


Did you know “front over” is a Thing now; an “unfortunate, national phenomenon”?


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From Sacramento Bee:

Janette Fennel of Kids and Cars, a nonprofit advocacy group in Kansas, said Thursday’s death could be part of an unfortunate, national phenomenon called “front over” - accidents that increasingly involve larger vehicles such as Humvees and other SUVs.

Fennel said many of these vehicles are built so high off the ground that visibility is compromised. ‘You can’t see that there’s a child in front of you,” she said.

In more than 70 percent of cases in which a child is struck, she said, the driver is a parent or close relative.

TODDLER KILLED BY ERRANT SUV

Father was moving the vehicle when he felt a thud, police say.

Police: Hummer Driven By Boy's Father

The boy was in the driveway of the home when he was struck by a Hummer driven by his father. Police said the father apparently did not see the boy.

The toddler was taken an area hospital, where he later died.

[hedgehog]

1. When small kids and animals are around, we never move any car

unless all children and animals are on the lawn and in plain sight.

[Arkansas Granny]

13. Absolutely! My rule was that the kids were either in the car, in the

house or on the porch in full view with everyone accounted for before I put the car in gear. This sad story is repeated every day with all kinds of vehicles, not just SUV's.

[WilliamPitt]

2. It's nature, see, like the elephants, they can't see their babies

and they plow them under.

So it's cool. Ask a hippo. I'm sure this shit happens all the time.

[omega minimo]

3. SUVival of the Richest

On PBS, it looks like elephants take better care of their young...........................

[WilliamPitt]

5. Yeah, it's not natural

They need an advocacy group.

Or something.

Oh never mind.

[omega minimo]

22. Animals "R" Us

Yeah, more and more, humans appear to be just another form of animal life after all.

[oneold1-4u]

10. Wonder?

How many SUV owners tell their kids NO when they are hungry or thirsty while filling the tank (s) with hundred dollar bills!

[napi21]

4. That's just parent stupidity! I don't blame the CAR!

I'm a 5'7" female and I've driven a LOT of different vehicles, from a VW Beetle to a LARGE jacked up PU truck. Right now, we have a Mercury Marquise. There are blind spots on EVERY VEHICLE!!!! My kids ar grown and gone now, but I have 2 little white dogs. Guess what? I don't let them out when someone is moving the car! I did the same thing with my grandchildren!!! You either put them INSIDE the car or truck, or you make them go into the house!

This same thing can happen with a Civic, or a Kia. Is ti worse in a Humvee? Of Course! But that means the DRIVER has to be more careful!

I hate Humvees...they're ugly, extremely poor on gas mileage, and have absolutely NO ligitimate purpose in civilian life, but the "accident" described in that article is NOT the fault of the vehicle!!!!

[omega minimo]

26. Humvees don't kill people, people do

"This same thing can happen with a Civic, or a Kia. Is ti worse in a Humvee? Of Course! But that means the DRIVER has to be more careful!"

You're right. The driver has to be more careful because they are driving a four-wheel tank with reduced visibility in a crowded populated environment. There's no denying these vehicles are a menace to society.

"I hate Humvees...they're ugly, extremely poor on gas mileage, and have absolutely NO ligitimate purpose in civilian life, but the "accident" described in that article is NOT the fault of the vehicle!!!!"

The vehicle is a menace. It requires the driver to be "more careful" and if the daddy were in something other than a Humvee, the chances of this happening would be reduced.

[rman]

40. Some vehicles have larger blind spots than others, as you very well know

Don't you agree that the design of a car is a factor in the safety of the car, both for the occupants of the car and for others?

[MoseyWalker]

6. I wonder how many will now use this

as an EXCUSE to run over people.

Whoops! Had another front over. :wtf:

[wtmusic]

7. But nothing else will make me feel like a tough Army soldier

short of enlisting... :(

[Retired AF Dem]

8. I bet if you did a study

more kids have been killed in their driveways by "normal" sized autos than suv's. This article is about as retarded as most gun articles.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

9. Agreed. It Takes An Immensely Sorrowful Incident And Undermines It With

petty narrow-minded gripe. This was a horribly unfortunate accident that I'm sure has struck monumental hardship and sadness on those involved and related. To take such a serious and sad incident and undermine it for sake of putting down SUV's is pathetic in my opinion.

[greenman3610]

14. being a Hummer owner implies a certain blindness already

blindness to one's responsibilities toward the community
and the wider world, an attitude of "fuck you I've got mine",
the blindness of King Midas', whose only value was how
much gold he could have.
Children of such people will always pay, with their
emotional well being, or in this case, their
lives.
Hopefully this man will learn the harsh lessons that
life teaches. Karma sucks.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

18. My God Do I Consider That To Be Just So Cold And Misguided.

Leave the damn guy alone. He's going through a terrible heartbreaking tragedy right now and the last thing he needs is you being so cold, petty and callous proclaiming that 'hey, sorry you lost your kid bub, but karma sucks fucker, you shouldn'tve bought a hummer'.

Just pathetic in my opinion.

[omega minimo]

19. As usual you present your personal attacks wrapped in misrepresentation

Don't bother.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

21. Not An Iota. My Words Were Direct And Completely Accurate.

To say for a second that this man deserved losing his child and getting this severe heartbreak merely because he bought a hummer, and that this is his karma, is completely disgraceful and shameful. To take such a heartwrenching incident and turn it into a petty gripe about him owning a hummer is pathetic. This man, this father, his family, is going through an incredible pain right now. Deflecting away from that massive tragedy merely for sake of displaying hatred towards hummers and the people that buy them is as cold, selfish and misguided as what I see on freeperville. I care not if you disagree, as that's my opinion. But don't give me the crap about misrepresenting anything. The poster explicitly stated that this was karma and that the child was just bound to be killed because the father bought a hummer. Totally disgraceful. I'm ashamed of some of the sentiments I see on here sometimes. Absolutely ashamed.

This man just lost his son in a tragic accidental fashion, and you couldn't even begin to understand the pain that him and his family are going through. I don't GIVE A FUCK what car he was driving, and neither should you. We should just quite simply offer them our complete heartfelt sympathies and feel saddened by this tragedy. God bless him and his family, and may the Lord give them the strength to make it through this incredibly tough time.

[omega minimo]

23. Sub Thread Deleted

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

32. No Reason To Use Sarcastic Attack Instead Of Addressing The Points Omega.

But I do understand that it may have been difficult to address my well raised and valid points.

[omega minimo]

33. .

:boring:


your repetitive tactic of confused self-righteous hostility always kills any possibility of "addressing" anything.

as you know.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

34. Omega, It Is Unproductive To Always Resort To Attacking Me Personally

instead of actually addressing the CONTEXT of my post. I posted many things that backed up and supported my position. You haven't debated any of it or responded to it in any way whatsoever. Instead of responding to the context of my post or offering any reason whatsoever as to why what I posted is not of sound logic, you instead resort to empty character assassinations and personal smear tactics against me.

So please either respond to the context of my above post, as per DU rules, or leave me alone. Character assassinations and personal attacks outside of context of fellow DU'ers benefits nobody in my opinion. I laid out my positions above and explained quite thoroughly why I felt the ways I did. If you disagree, then say why.

[omega minimo]

35. Don't you have anyone new to antagonize and lie about?

Am I your favorite? :spray:

You know as soon as you pull out the hostility and mindfuck, all "addressing" is over.

You know you can't bully me into "debate" or "response."

You say the same things every time.

:boring:



The OP asked questions about the "national phenomenon" this has become. The snark squad showed up immediately and acted SOoooooooooooo offended and ignored any of the various possibilities of actual discussion.

You made one of your grand pompous pronouncements, insulting the intentions of any and all who would DARE bring this up.

What's there to talk about.

Leave me alone.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

36. I Don't Know Why You Feel The Need For Such Hostility And Attack.

Mischaracterize and smear me as much as you want Omega: It still doesn't change reality. I was responding to a poster who stated that this horrific incident was karma on the father. I found that sentiment to be deplorable and I have that fucking right. I have issued no lies and your constant smears on me are disturbing and unwarranted.

No one has bullied you Omega. In fact, I never even replied to the OP at all. Once again you get totally offended and harassing when someone disagrees with your point of view. But this is DU, omega, so please understand that there will be many an instance where posters will disagree with you. That doesn't mean you should attempt to assassinate their character or intention.

Yes, I feel quite strongly that turning a horrific heart wrenching tragedy into a petty argument about hummers is in poor taste. Yes, I feel even more strongly that statements inferring that this man deserves no sympathy because he got what he deserved merely because of the vehicle he owned are freeperlike and deplorable. I'm a democrat, Omega. That means when I see heartbreaking tragedy my heart sinks and I feel sympathy towards those who are going through pain. If you want to smear me for having that level of decency inside me I can't stop you. But I'd prefer you stop attacking me needlessly. This is like a game to you. It wasn't to me. To me this was a gut wrenching and tragic accident and I have nothing but wholehearted sorrow for that child's family.

Goodnight now Omega. I've said my part and it's clear you once again have no intention of debating merits. I won't be responding to any more grandiose smears. All I will say in parting is God bless that family, may God be with the father, May God give them the strength to get through this incredibly tough hardship, and may the family be shielded from having to know that there are those out there who would be so cold and petty as to criticize them during this trying time merely because of the car they owned. My god does my heart go out to them.

[omega minimo]

37. Blah blah mindfuck blah drama blah blahde blah blah

Must be the Ambien talkin' :boring:

Too bad your grandiose sympathy causes you to attack others rather than address the issue that "front over" is a "national phenomenon."



When you wake up, you really oughtta thank me for helping build your vocabulary :kick:

[Beausoir]

15. Absolutely. Trying to capitalize on the death of a child is sick.

Heartbreaking accident.

[omega minimo]

25. Yeah! Twisting OP into "try to capitalize on death of a child" is SICK!!!1

SERIESLY!!!!!!!!!!!!111111

Heartbreaking rolling accident-waiting-to-happen

[ulysses]

28. over the last hundred years, sure.

I'd like to see the results since SUVs became as popular as they are.

[Rex]

11. Democrats give or get hummers, Repukes have to buy hummers.

Said, sick and a sign of the Fucked Up times.

[cliss]

12. Why the hell do people feel the need to own

these things? (= answer is in wt music's post above).

Really though, why do we as a community put up with this? As the price of gas surges, these fools go parading down Main Street, just irking the people who are now pulling out their coin collections to pay for the damn gas.

I will tell you this: when gas goes to $5.00/gallon, people will not put up with this any longer. They will get really brazen, really ugly with these Hummer drivers at the pump. Just watch.

[RB TexLa]

39. Because they use insignificantly more gas than a car when it comes

to overall energy demand?

[Beelzebud]

16. I hate to spoil this with facts, but these accidents happen with ALL types

of cars, not just big trucks...

A friend of our family backed over his son in a small toyota celica. It was a fucking accident. It fucking happens...

[Raine]

38. Yeah, really.

It can be the smallest of vechicles and it still happens, it's not exclusive to SUVs or Hummers for gosh sakes.

[badgerpup]

17. Of what practical use is a hummer in a family setting? I mean, REALLY??

Besides gas-guzzling and taking up too damn much space it's just asking for trouble.

I used to drive my ex-Sig Other's handicapped equipped van for him- vans are fairly tall and even with him doing 'eyes behind' I was terrified lest a small child break loose from parental restraint in a parking lot and run directly behind the van. Anything under 4' was below the radar, and if I didn't see it coming before it got directly behind...

:rant: alert...
Is it just me, or are kids not taught the same things we were about looking both ways before crossing streets, and paying attention to your surroundings, and avoiding moving vehicles...

I'm NOT blaming the victim here. I realize a toddler has no sense of danger. Dad gets to live with this and I don't envy him.
But older kids?

[omega minimo]

20. "just asking for trouble" and the rolling fortress makes em feel "safe"

Yes-- the more monstrous the vehicle, the more it is "just asking for trouble"

Folks on this thread are right-- these accidents happen with other vehicles, parents have to pay attention, and even more so-- as someone said-- with a Humvee.

Humvees are a menace to anyone who is outside of it-- and sometimes to those inside, like when the wheels fall off.

[elehhhhna]

24. There are way too many low rear-viz vehicles out there...

SUvs etc but even my old Intrepid was horrible.

[ThomWV]

27. An Uncle Of Mine Was Crushed and Killed By A VW Bug

Full grown man in good health. So what does the model of vehicle have to do with it.

[omega minimo]

29. The photos don't help illustrate?

"So what does the model of vehicle have to do with it."

:shrug: Hey, if people wanna be in denial about the dangerous and menacing bulk of Humvees as civilian vehicles, nothing will break through that wall of pretending. Seems silly though-- they're not comprable to autos or even SUV's at all.

I'm sorry about your uncle.

[rman]

41. size of blind spots depends on the design of the car

duh

[omega minimo]

30. Military. Industrial. Complex.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1760612&mesg_id=1760612

[kestrel91316]

31. That SHOULD read:

"Toddler Crushed By Dad's 4-Wheeled Penis Extension"