Israel’s ‘Final Solution’ to Arabs in South Lebanon

[Magical]

Video Available Here...
Watch it and Weep.
I have no words to express the HORROR I feel...only grief and tears.

http://wakeupfromyourslumber.blogspot.com/2006/07/israels-final-solution-to-arabs-in.html

[blue2helix]

1. Informative link, but...

the "final solution" quote is bound to take this thread waaaay off track. Try to win people over with information and reasoned debate, not emotional inflammatory outbursts.

Just my humble opinion.

[Magical]

18. Rule of Posting

REQUIRE the title on the referenced website.

[Rex]

25. That 'drinking water' looked odius. I wonder how many parasites live

in their new 'drinking water'? :(

Knee jerkers leave this guy alone.

[BrotherBuzz]

33. That rule only applies to LBN

[Magical]

38. Thanks, didn't know that...NT

[cali]

55. and here's part of a post from that site:

".... these USraeli Jewish cowards, when it is merely a handful of these Satanists, who have their sticky fingers on the triggers of the weapons of this world.

Never again, yes, never again will the majority of the citizens of this world fall for the ancient old lies and the deception of these evil Zionist world supremacists. These bastards have finally gone too far, have taken it to the outer most in their strive for world power, in the name of the "victim". All points to it.

They are on the run. The fact that they smite at anything living around themselves, with their killing machine in full throttle, is proof enough, that we got them on the run. - Just think of the wounded wild animal -!

This coming world-war will be their last mistake. Kiss Israhell goodbye after that...."


But the writer hastens to adds that he's no antisemite.

[blue2helix]

77. You're Right - Only The Video Link is Informative.

The (BBC) video is informative, not the rubbish on the blog site hosting it.

[Clarkie1]

2. I find your use of that term deeply offensive and repugnant. nt

[Magical]

13. Its not my title

How do you find the video ?
Equally repugnant ?

[Behind the Aegis]

3. Disgusting title!

Flamebait!

[jonnyblitz]

6. ...

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:eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes:
:eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes:
:eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes:

[Behind the Aegis]

12. I am sure it suits you!

Just remember...."Final Solution" also included us gays!

[jonnyblitz]

15. lol..yeah because i hate the jooooos. everybody knows that!

sarcasm: jesus christ bta get a fucking grip. of COURSE the title is tacky. I just felt like doing my "BTA" immitation with the ":eyes:" in this thread. it's annoying isn't it?

[Behind the Aegis]

20. I could care less about the ...

:eyes:

You seem to only care about attacking me! You say the title is "tacky," then why respond to MY post with your condescension? Why not say you think the title is tacky? Oh that's right...better to 'hate on me" then actually comment on the OP!

[oberliner]

24. seriously though

Using the phrase "Final Solution" in a post's title does what exactly?

Other than deliberately antagonize Jewish people who may be remotely pro-Israel.

Unless you think the comparison between Israel and Nazi Germany is an apt one, there is no reason to throw that kind language around.

[cali]

46. and non-jewish people

who aren't particularly pro-Israel.

[npincus]

8. agreed.

[malaise]

11. the Lebanese people are feeling the flames

words are wind - address the deeds of Israel.

[Behind the Aegis]

27. why am I not surprised...

[laura888]

4. Americans are so clueless. Thanks for the enlightenment. n/t

[maalak]

7. *edit, sorry, meant to reply to original post*

[PCIntern]

5. it's just terrible...

sufferring beyond that which we can comprehend. It's a terrible tragedy that those who are innocent get caught in the politics of the high and mighty. They should appeal to the Iranians to stop arming the Hezbollah, so that this will never happen again.

I won't comment on your subject line which is...well, I won't comment.

[oberliner]

9. good thing there is no antisemitism at DU

I am reading this right after posting to a thread that was asking about when criticism of Israel can be considered anti-Semitic.

My take on that for anyone interested is here (post #47):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1763289#1764034

[Behind the Aegis]

14. Do you think they care?!

There are a few here that revel in their anti-Semitism. It is even better they are given "cover" to spew their filth! Yet, "we" are the crazy ones who have to 'prove' is actually exists here! I am sick of it! People can bash Israel all they want....most of it doesn't even come close to anti-Semitism. However, there are the few hardcore haters that....well, we know what they do.

[maalak]

10. aside from your inflamattory and highly offensive title...

if Israel were truly interested in anything even remotely resembling what a "final solution" implies... WHY would they have withdrawn from Lebanon under the agreement that Hezbollah would be disarmed?

[Harper_is_Bush]

16. Do you dispute that Israel is creating a buffer zone with slash and burn

bombing?

That is very much a "final solution". Eject every Arab from within X number of KM's from the border.

The Israeli neo-cons want to create a 30km buffer zone. Whether it is 30km or 8km, it involves emptying the zone and leveling every building in the zone.

An Israeli minister recently said that anyone in the buffer can now be assumed to be the enemy. Did you catch that?

[PCIntern]

21. I do believe you're slicing it pretty thin

Military tactics being what they are, it is doubtful if this is an unusual maneuver in times of war. That being said, I've never heard of this phrase being used except for one eensy weensy episode that happened some time ago in...where was it...of yes. Europe. But you have a point...it is a creative use of language. Now if'n I said the equivalent, there'd be alerts and tombstoning all over the place.

[Behind the Aegis]

22. Did you "catch" the other places the blogger suggests?!

[maalak]

23. that is NOT what the term "final solution" means

Hezbollah was supposed to be disarmed under the terms by which Israel withdrew MANY years ago...

instead of being disarmed, they've clearly been building up the forces and violating the terms of that ceasefire for many, many years now... any need Israel has for a buffer zone is due to a complete failure to disarm Hezbollah, and Hezbollah's continued actions against Israel.

[Harper_is_Bush]

29. So because Hezbollah wasn't disarmed Israel now has the moral right

to destroy Lebanon.

And btw, Israel violated the terms of the ceasefire as well.

I think it's despicable to engage in a pissing conest to try and justify the current Israeli destruction of Lebanon. But, there's lots' of "soldiers" attempting to do just that:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1762936&mesg_id=1762936

[maalak]

31. nice veiled attack...

and i also never claimed that Israel has the "moral right" to destroy Lebanon...

[Harper_is_Bush]

45. Well then tell me, does Israel have the moral right to do what

it's doing?

Do you consider all current Israeli actions to be "self defense"?

[maalak]

53. well...

first i think it's ridiculous to debate the horrors of what's going on there as being absolutely morally right or wrong... simply put, that's a very subjective view to try and debate. personally i don't consider the death of innocents to ever be "moral", even if the security needs of one's nation are at stake.

the world is a much more complicated place than that.

are their current actions "self defense"?

Hezbollah, rather than disarm and cease firing rockets into Israel, has continually and relentlessly expanded their attacks on Israel ever since they withdrew... at what point do you consider Israel able to defend itself from those who preach it's destruction?

[Harper_is_Bush]

83. More justification.

You keep pointing the finger at Hezbollah, as if everything Israel is doing is excused by a few rockets over the last years.

ISRAEL IS DESTROYING LEBANON.

Do not think that can be justified by pointing the finger at a handful of deaths.

[maalak]

87. and you keep trivializing what Hezbollah has done....

a "few" rockets over the last few years?

[Harper_is_Bush]

89. Well then tell us.

How many rockets (not including the current war) did Hezbollah send into Israel since the cease-fire.

Justify the destruction of Lebanon for us, please.

[maalak]

98. Israel is NOT trying to destroy lebanon, it is trying to disarm Hezbollah

but you can read up on some of Hezbollah's activities after Israel withdrew, it's certainly more than just a "few rockets":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah#Hezbollah_after_the_Israeli_withdrawal

now is there any way you can justify Hezbollah NOT being disarmed as per the original agreement?

[PCIntern]

36. There you go again...

no one recruited anyone I know here to 'soldier' for Israel, although the term 'soldier' seems to have taken a negative meaning. It is not necessary to shill for Israel - there are many people who believe that the road to peace in the ME is thru the strength, not weakness, of the country.

[Harper_is_Bush]

44. But is the road to peace through the destruction of Lebanon?

No. And that is why so much opinion is turning against Israel, and presumably why they need to form an organized campaign to influence opinions.

[PCIntern]

32. i presume you were not addressing

my post...

[maalak]

37. if you mean me, no.. i was responding to #16.

[daydreamer]

100. They should create the buffer zone inside their borders.

[Magical]

17. IT'S NOT MY TITLE

Did you watch the video ?

[maalak]

19. yes, i watched the video

and it confirms what we all already know, that being in a warzone is hell on earth.

but this is NOT proof of Israel desiring genocide, or anything else the use of the term "Final Solution" implies....

check out some of that blog's other titles, and some of the comments... and then consider why some are thought to be antisemitic when they parrot the talking points & views of people who clearly are antismites.

[Magical]

30. I see YOU as a HUMAN BEING

Not by your religion.

Just as I see these PEOPLE as HUMAN BEINGS being subjected to TERROR by other HUMAN BEINGS.

[maalak]

34. understood, and i appreciate that...

but if you're going to repeat a blog post with the title "Final Solution", then you have to understand the message you're sending out...

there was no indication in your original post that this wasn't a title of your own creation... and regardless choosing to echo the original author's words brings all of the meanings that it implies with it.

[malaise]

74. It says BBC

if you listened you heard that at the end.

[maalak]

88. right, and the BBC most definitely didn't say "final solution"...

[malaise]

90. Well it sure was the final solution for

that one day old baby who was buried today along with her family and neighbours.

[Magical]

26. To All Apologists and Defenders

Watch the video.
I didn't make it or title it.
Look in the mirror.
Imagine it is you and your children experiencing this horror.
What is this ... a freaking EXTERMINATION ?
Not allowing these trapped civilians to escape is HEINOUS.

I CONDEMN ALL VIOLENCE.

[Behind the Aegis]

28. to YOU

....read the OTHER posts on that site!

[Magical]

35. Read 'EM

And...

Facts are a bitch aren't they ?
Video doesn't lie.
This is REALITY, not some OPINION.

Why do you try and defend this brutality under some kind of protection of anti-semitism?

Do you not see these people as human beings like yourself ?

[Behind the Aegis]

39. I don't see anti-Semitic rhetoric as FACT?!

You do?!

I am not defending anything! I am protesting that you are using a site that obviously harbors anti-Semitic feelings. What next? Videos from the David Duke private library on the violence of Black men? :eyes:

[Magical]

43. Speak to the FACT

Speak to the VIDEO.

How do you FEEL that your country is perpetrating this ?

Do you think this is right ?

[Behind the Aegis]

49. I am American.

I will not comment on ANYTHING from a Jew-hating site, no matter if it is correct or not!

[Magical]

50. Well, there's the dead end...

Too bad we couldn't find some common ground.

Peace.

[Behind the Aegis]

56. NO peace!

Not until anti-Semitic sources are disallowed!

[maalak]

40. nobody is defending the brutality...

what they are objecting to is the use of the term 'final solution' to describe it...

[JHH]

42. That was the title of the video!

[maalak]

48. that was NOT the title of the video...

it was the title of the blog post that featured the video.

the link to the actual video is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pN4P8ujDKs

the video itself was BBC footage, and in no way suggest a systematic genocidal approach to killing all Arabs in south lebanon...

[Rex]

51. NOT the same video.

Dam people.

[maalak]

58. sorry, a mistake.. but the title still isn't like "Final Solution"...

actual video is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLNpEGqmT84

it's a BBC video, it's most definitely NOT entitled anything like Israel "Final Solution"...

[JHH]

68. Thank you I stand corrected (my bad)

[PCIntern]

41. as I said before over and over...

this is what happens when a government responsible for maintianing the order within a country is afraid of radicals within. They picked a fight and got one...this is Iran using the Hezbollah as a proxy and the people in the way get hurt and killed. It happened in every war in human history. that doesn't make us uncaring, it only makes us realists. We here at DU by and large didn't want the war in Iraq for this reason - senseless dying for a country which was under control.

Lebanon was not under control...it will be soon.

[Harper_is_Bush]

47. "Iran using Hezbollah as a proxy"

What proof have you of that? None. It's Bush and Israel rhetoric, that's all.

Is that fact that Israeli bombs and missiles are US made hitting the front page? No. But ho boy, a single anti-ship missile alledgedly made in Iran and WOW! Iran is basically in this war all of the sudden!

What BS.

As you describe it Lebanon should expect to be destroyed because it couldn't disarm Hezbollah. That about right?

[PCIntern]

52. Proof?

what is this, Perry Mason? Where do you think the millions are coming from to front this group? Casey Kasem? Sheesh...

There were bad people on this Earth before Bush II - people on DU tend to think they lived in a perfect world for 8 years. Not true.

[Behind the Aegis]

54. Don't bother!

The president of Iran could show up on his doorstep and tell him and it would still be "an Israeli trick." Face it....some hate Israel so much they can't see straight!

[Harper_is_Bush]

64. Oh, so I "hate Israel"? Is that part of the internet pack?

Accuse people who don't buy the party line of "hating Israel"?

Nice.

[Behind the Aegis]

67. No "internet pack" needed.

LOL! I know, if they don't buy the "party line" call them "freepers, kool-aid drinkers, and trolls!" :eyes:

[Harper_is_Bush]

73. Sorry, I don't follow you.

Who is calling who freepers, koolaid drinkers, and trolls?

You said I hate Israel. Maybe you need to cool down a little, get your perspective back.

[Behind the Aegis]

80. My perspective is fine.

Anyone who doesn't "slam" Israel has been called "freepers, koolaid drinkers, and trolls." What I find most amusing is there are a few that have also attacked the recent onslaught of anti-Semitic posts only to find that appellation applied to them. I wonder if they are beginning to understand what is really happening.

From the posts I seen by you, I would say you do.

[Harper_is_Bush]

62. Perry Mason. ha ha! I'm sorry, but when I hear Bush and Condi

and in this case, Israel as well, making a claim like this I'm a little leary.

Think WMD.

It's quite obvious that Israel would like to pull the USA into a wider conflict with Iran, and they've been throwing out the propaganda about Iran being behind Hezbollah since they decided to start the Destruction of Lebanon Tour.

[Behind the Aegis]

65. And there you have it!

"It's quite obvious that Israel would like to pull the USA into a wider conflict with Iran,..." For someone supposedly so against propaganda, you seem to eat it up!

[Harper_is_Bush]

70. I don't follow you.

I judge the reality that I see. I've watched what feels like dozens of Israeli ministers and spokesmen and IDF officers on TV, and it seems like they never fail to mention Iran in the context of this conflict.

From that I draw my conclusion.

And of course, the words of Bush and Condi et al match those of Israel. The narrative is that Iran is pulling the strings of Hezbollah, yet we never hear of any evidence of this. It's just the received wisdom of Bush and his cabinet and Israel and anyone speaking for her.

[Rex]

75. Yeah, I've been watching CNN too for about a week now.

All pro-Israel and they all seem to start with a disclamer, 'Israel as the right to defend herself'. As if we didn't know! Had to turn it off when Wolf came on; can't stand 700 club rejects.

[PCIntern]

69. Israel....Pull the USA...?

I can see it now...see you go to the War Room in the Pentagon, you know, the one with all the big TV screens...and there are all these hot shot generals and senators sitti'ng around like in Dr. Strangelove, and these guys are all wringing their hands: "What are we to do? The Israelis are using their propaganda tractor-beam to pull us into this inexorable conflict and we can't do anything about it. Oh boo hoo..."

I don't think it works that way...

[Harper_is_Bush]

72. What nonsense.

If you're going to spout riciculous nonsense don't bother posting to me.

[PCIntern]

78. You don't have a sensayuma...

you want -proof- that Iran is funding these killers...would that be a signed document to that effect:

I promise that we're sending $_______________ to the Hezbollah in return for killing Jews.

...and countersigned by Osama bin Laden, right.

will that do?

[Behind the Aegis]

82. As I said before...

...even THAT wouldn't be proof of anything other than an Israeli 'false flag' mission!

[Harper_is_Bush]

86. I never said Iran didn't provide funds to Israel.

I said the claim that Hezbollah is Irans proxy (the word you used I believe) is nothing more than Bush/Israel rhetoric.

Don't give me proof, just a little smidge of evidence would suffice. Don't create straw man arguments for you and your echo chamber buddy here.

[PCIntern]

92. Echo chamber buddy echo chamber buddy...

Oh I get it...you do have a sensayuma! How nice...

Let me take a look in my attic and see what I can find.

Before i run up there, and it's hot here, please allow me to say that while you fill up your SUV for 60 bucks, much of that is wending its way to Iran so they can do what with it...build schools and factories and public works? Maybe a contribution to B'Nai B'rith antidefamation league...No?

I'm sure that Iran has been fighting this guerilla war for years...ask them, they won't deny it. they'll give you some gabble degook about Zionist Entity...like Star Trek The Movie 'Carbon-based Unit'.

[Truthiness Inspector]

57. Not to mention

the OP could have just linked the video from Youtube, where it is hosted anyway, instead of giving traffic to that "blog."

[oberliner]

59. How is ok to post from this source on this site?

Click on the link in the OP, scroll down the page. Look at the wonderful insights you will find!


"If world history were written without the post-Holocaust PC bias it would show that the reason the Jews have been hated worldwide was because they controlled the money and they funded wars to get richer.

Read the "Merchant of Venus" by Shakespeare, or the New Testament -- Jesus confronted the money lenders, didn't he and who were those money lenders? Fagin in Oliver Twist.

The hatred also comes from their Talmudic belief that the rest of us are literally sub-human. The Torah too is full of hellfire and brimstone.

The Jews have found their host country in the U.S. aided by a Jewish controlled media, we will pay for allowing them to sucker us with the blood of millions of our own."

(If you want to use the defense of - that is just from a comment somebody added, the blogger didn't write that - feel free to look at the entry from the blogger posted yesterday, entitled "They may be ‘Chosen’ - but they sure are dumb")


And people have the chutzpah to claim that anti-semitism does not figure into these discussions at all?

[Behind the Aegis]

63. chutzpah?

No, the real chutzpah is posters here using Yiddish terms while they defame Jews! Then, pretend it is all just "anti-Israeli government" protests! :eyes:

[oberliner]

71. huh?

I wasn't using the Yiddish term to defame Jews. I think you misunderstood my post. I was saying that I can't believe that some would have the nerve (chutzpah) to say there is no anti-semitism to be found in these discussions, while people are citing blatantly antisemitic web sites as their sources.

[Behind the Aegis]

76. No, you misunderstood my post!

:)

I have seen a number of posters using Yiddish, all the while defaming Jews...er, demaing Israel. :eyes: Mine was just a side comment to you. No worries. :)

[mom cat]

60. Ignore the title and just look at the video.

[Behind the Aegis]

61. That's the problem!

[oberliner]

66. look at the rest of the web site

And tell me it isn't an antisemitic site.

Or should I say web site teeming with Jew hatred.

Anti-semitic appears not to be the preferred term.

[EFerrari]

79. Give me a link so I can see what you are seeing. I can't find it.

And it's a blog, not a website.

[Truthiness Inspector]

81. It's right there in the OP n/t

[EFerrari]

84. No, I mean to the hating material. For myself and my nieces

I'd like to see what the poster means. Can't mean this:

[oberliner]

91. delete

unfair remark

[jonnyblitz]

93. that site is OBVIOUSLY anti-semitic. you'd have to be

brain dead not to see it. I am sure they stole that video from somewhere else and incorporated it into their mess of crap. I am also sure whoever made this video would not appreciate it being used as it is with that title attached to it.

[EFerrari]

96. I don't think I've ever seen so much hatred in one place.

Ever.

[EFerrari]

95. That's out of line. While I admit my experience with haters

isn't what it could be, people misuse reference all the time, without a clue about what they are doing.

I'll thank you to let me read on my own.

[oberliner]

97. i apologize and have deleted

I was too riled up by the crap on that site.

[EFerrari]

99. No need. Sorry for the overheated rhetoric. This is very painful

in so many directions for so many of us for so many reasons.

We do our best. :)

[oberliner]

85. see post #59

It is my understanding that a blog is a type of website.

Per Wikipedia:

There are many varieties of websites, each specialising in a particular type of content or use, and they may be arbitrarily classified in any number of ways. A few such classifications might include:


Blog (or weblog) site: site used to log online readings or to post online diaries; may include discussion forums. Examples: blogger, Xanga.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_site

[EFerrari]

94. Okay. There are despicable comments on this blog. Disgusting.

AND the footage of those civilians in Lebanon IS horrifying.

Both things are true.

And I have to wonder, where did all these haters come from.

On both sides.

Where did all this propaganda come from.

Where did all this hatred come from.

I know the Neo Cons have been fanning it here for the whole time they've been in power.

It is infecting us all. It is poisoning us all.

Please, let's be mindful. Please.

edit: This is how you control a people -- via their fear and hatred.

[pinto]

101. Locking.

Equating Israel with Nazi Germany - as this site linked in the Origonal Post does - is inflammatory at any time, and especially now.

Also, the website linked is steeped in "one world", secret cabal conspiracy bs.