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The Whiskey Priest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 04:30 PM
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Is The Country on the Verge of Realizing Hamilton’s Dream?
Edited on Wed Jan-18-06 04:38 PM by The Whiskey Priest
With the election of Thomas Jefferson in 1800 it was thought that the Federalists and Hamilton’s dream of a United States government built upon a monarchy and an aristocracy had been beaten back. Now, in 2006, we hear the term “Unitary Executive” banded about as if it were a legitimate political philosophy to be considered.

For decades now, it has been passé to talk of ruling elite, a government built upon inherited wealth and empowered with the privileges of rank. The form and type of government that Hamilton envisioned and that the Fedralist worked hard to put in place.

This is not some idle academic chatter, a quick review of Bush administrations and Republican party actions over the last five years add weight to an argument that the Federalist and Hamiltonian dream is still alive and realization is under way.

Does anyone agree with this proposition?
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 04:32 PM
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1. absolutely agree. they dont believe in democracy.
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Sammy Pepys Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 04:35 PM
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2. Hamilton's dream has been realized in a lot of respects.
Certainly in terms of federal spending.
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 04:36 PM
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3. When wasn't the aristocracy in charge?
Last time I checked, it's only getting worse.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 04:38 PM
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4. and what was that Jefferson said, about "every twenty years or so...?"
n/t
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 04:49 PM
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6. Yeah right
Good luck with that. The way everyone holds the founding fathers in God-like esteem, there is no room for any more revolutionaries.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 05:05 PM
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10. then where's our Tom Paine?
He still gives autocrats the heeby-jeebies...
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 04:41 PM
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5. There's no question that we're turning into more of a federalist state.
Really, the people that are in charge right now only care about one thing: the almighty dollar.

They dont give a shit about New Orleans, they dont give a shit about Afghanistan or Iraq, or Syria or Iran. They only care about MONEY. And of course, the only way they'll help someone is if they can profit off of it.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 04:53 PM
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7. K&R
This is being ignored by the media, and it is too important to just ignore. There's been way too many Federalist Society assholes about in the last 25 years. Their objective is clear: outright ownership of the USA and all its citizens, a la Oliver Twist, A Christmas Carol, etc. These are the people that root fro Scrooge, and they are in charge now.
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The Whiskey Priest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 05:04 PM
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8. I would seem that they are just one vote away from
Edited on Wed Jan-18-06 05:06 PM by The Whiskey Priest
control of the court. That was the last Federalist bastion when Jefferson was elected...I think it was Adams, perhaps Hamilton that said,"at least we have the courts...speaking of John Marshall."
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 05:04 PM
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9. Adams may have been a federalist, but he was not a corporatalist
He and Jefferson agreed on the one point that corporations were a threat to democracy and should not be given a chance to be influential in government policies.
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The Whiskey Priest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 05:32 PM
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11. Adams didn't have much use for Hamilton.
Edited on Wed Jan-18-06 05:41 PM by The Whiskey Priest
and Hamilton's dream of kings, princes and various other assorted aristocrats. Hamilton really wanted the US to go back to England.
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orwell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 06:00 PM
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12. Hamilton's Dream...
...was realized with the Federal Reserve Act of 1913.

When you control the money, you control the country.
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