Is There ONE Democrat Denouncing Israeli's Military Action in Lebanon?

[stepnw1f]

Important question for me...

I have only thus far heard Democrats supporting Israel unconditionally. I have a moral issue with that...

[Blue_In_AK]

1. Me, too...

It's been very disturbing to me. Smacks of pandering.

[OwnedByFerrets]

2. Its extremely disturbing. n/t

[ShortnFiery]

7. I second that ... extremely disturbing? Yes. n/t

[k_jerome]

19. do you feel that democrats "pander"...

to african americans?

[Jade Fox]

24. Israel does not equal all Jews.....

or American Jews. So, how about "do you feel that democrats 'pander' to Africa...."

This is not a hostile post, so please read on.

I got slammed here yesterday for saying that the irrational hatred of Israel is rooted in anti-Semitism and hatred toward Jews. I wouldn't back off on that statement, because I won't deny that anti-Semitism exists. and frequently rears it's head whenever the topic of Israel is being considered. A Jewish woman in Seattle got killed Friday because she was Jewish, not because she was responsible for the actions of Israel or the US as nations. Nevertheless, the killer claimed Israel's current actions as his "reason".

But we do have to be allowed to criticize Israel for it's actions as a nation without always having it implied that our motivation is anti-Semitism. I would really like to here how you think this could be done. Thanks!

[Blue_In_AK]

28. Thank you for saying that well...

I have nothing against Israel, per se, or against Jewish people, as you say, but I'm sick of the overkill in this present conflict. The comparison to the relationship between Democrats and African-Americans is disingenuous. It's not a parallel situation at all.

[EFerrari]

39. The Israeli government most certainly doesn't include all Israelis

let alone all Jews.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1769312

[Don Claybrook]

3. I believe Kucinich said something

This was several days back, and I don't recall exactly what he said, just that his words made me feel like there was someone sane left in government.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

6. He's about the only one left...

...If he pipes up too much he'll find himself in AIPAC's sights and that's a political career ender.

[Mandate My Ass]

8. Yes, he has a peace plan that calls for an immediate cease fire

I don't believe he denounces Israel because it's become impossible to even hint that they may be wrong no matter what they do.

Anybody who blindly sides with Israel after their refusal for even a temporary humanitarian cease fire is beneath contempt, IMHO.

[ShortnFiery]

11. Kucinich voted "present" and is not taking sides ...

However, he, et. al., are courageously forwarding

Resolution # 450: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:H.Con.Res.450:

link = http://www.kucinich.us/

Kucinich Talks About His Middle East Cease‑Fire Resolution

Interviewed on Democracy Now!

Updated July 28, 2006

As the third week of Israeli attacks on Lebanon began, Congressman Kucinich appeared Wednesday morning on Democracy Now!, where Host Amy Goodman asked him about H. Con. Res. 450.

[ShortnFiery]

12. Here's a list of Resolution # 450's Co-Sponsors

COSPONSORS(33), ALPHABETICAL : (Sort: by date)


Rep Abercrombie, Neil - 7/19/2006
Rep Baldwin, Tammy - 7/19/2006
Rep Clay, Wm. Lacy - 7/28/2006
Rep Cleaver, Emanuel - 7/19/2006
Rep Conyers, John, Jr. - 7/19/2006
Rep Davis, Danny K. - 7/19/2006
Rep DeFazio, Peter A. - 7/25/2006
Rep Doggett, Lloyd - 7/28/2006
Rep Filner, Bob - 7/19/2006
Rep Grijalva, Raul M. - 7/19/2006
Rep Hinchey, Maurice D. - 7/19/2006
Rep Honda, Michael M. - 7/19/2006
Rep Jackson-Lee, Sheila - 7/25/2006
Rep Kaptur, Marcy - 7/19/2006
Rep Kilpatrick, Carolyn C. - 7/19/2006
Rep Lee, Barbara - 7/19/2006
Rep McCollum, Betty - 7/19/2006
Rep McDermott, Jim - 7/19/2006
Rep McKinney, Cynthia A. - 7/27/2006
Rep Meeks, Gregory W. - 7/19/2006
Rep Miller, George - 7/25/2006
Rep Moore, Gwen - 7/26/2006
Rep Moran, James P. - 7/19/2006
Rep Owens, Major R. - 7/25/2006
Rep Rahall, Nick J., II - 7/25/2006
Rep Rangel, Charles B. - 7/19/2006
Rep Rush, Bobby L. - 7/19/2006
Rep Slaughter, Louise McIntosh - 7/19/2006
Rep Solis, Hilda L. - 7/19/2006
Rep Stark, Fortney Pete - 7/19/2006
Rep Velazquez, Nydia M. - 7/28/2006
Rep Waters, Maxine - 7/19/2006
Rep Woolsey, Lynn C. - 7/19/2006

[stepnw1f]

15. I Voted for Kucinich

Morally sound position to take. This was a very smart political move on his part.

[Hippo_Tron]

40. Honestly, I'm pretty much with DK on this one

I'm not going to denounce Israel or support them because the situation is so damn complicated that there is no right and no wrong. There are only innocent people getting killed.

[stepnw1f]

42. I'll Second That (nt)

[panader0]

4. I would suggest that our Dem leaders read the opinions on DU

to get a feel for what their constituency wants.

[ChiciB1]

10. Oh Gee, I Haven't Been Getting ANY Impression That THEY Care

what WE think! I find it almost unbelievable that THEY don't check this place out from time to time, but I see NO indication that they do!

I wrote quite few Senators and Representatives last week and I haven't heard back from ONE of them!!

Kind of strange, huh?? Two names... John Kerry & John Conyers! Not one reply from anyone!!!

[valerief]

5. That must be the only Dem that isn't being blackmailed with

compromising pictures. I mean, blackmail must be the reason, right? What other reason could there be? La cage aux folles?

[QuestionAll...]

9. most disturbing...

you just go to wonder what's behind it all.
money, blackmail, threats, a combination?
cuz nothng else makes sense

[ShortnFiery]

14. My vote - All of the Above!

We are, after all, talking about POLITICIANS. :(

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[MrBenchley]

17. A telling post from the far left...

[k_jerome]

20. i'm sorry...

please explain. how much money is it? what other groups give money? african americans? native americans? Hmmmmmnnnnn.

[MrBenchley]

16. Ned Lamo...oh, wait!

[stepnw1f]

21. that was lame-o

especially if you are lobbying for Lieberman's support

[MrBenchley]

22. So tell us, is the Unknown Millionaire being blackmailed

Or is he just immoral?

"lobbying for Lieberman's support"
From whom?

[stepnw1f]

23. start your own thread

peace

[MrBenchley]

27. Hey,you launched an attack on all Democrats

Go cry to somebody else that it applies to the Unknown Millionaire too.

[stepnw1f]

35. attack? nope... wrong

you missed the point and try to make this about Lieberman vs. Lamont. This thread isn't about them....

Thank you for understanding.

[MrBenchley]

37. LOL! Well, to be a real attack, you'd have to have credibility

[Ken Burch]

25. Fact is, Benchers

The "Unknown Millionaire" is about to defeat the Wellknown Militarist on August 8th.

[MrBenchley]

26. So is he being blackmailed, Kenny?

[Ken Burch]

29. Say what?

nt.

[MrBenchley]

30. You're not reading the thread you're IN?

Yeah, that credibility is really climbing, Kenny.

[Ken Burch]

31. who's being blackmailed by whom?

nt

[Ken Burch]

32. What the hell do you mean "blackmailed"?

And even you have to admit Lamont isn't "unknown" anymore.

You can't be "unknown" and leading in the polls.

(on edit) Ok, I just read post #9. I don't understand how it applies to Lamont.

[MrBenchley]

36. Ask Valerie

[Donald Ian Rankin]

33. This seems disingenuous.

Trying to use the fact that Lamont supports Israel to drum up support for Lieberman seems odd, given that Lieberman also supports Israel, and being evasive about the fact that that's your motive in pointing it out - which it seems reasonable to assume it is - is somewhat disingenuous.

[MrBenchley]

38. Hey, it's not disingenuous to point out the hypocrisy here....

It's perfectly okay for the far left to slam unnamed Democrats (and by extension, the party as a whole) as cowardly panderers, blackmailed, weak, immoral, etc. But no one can say boo about one of their little tin gods...even when that person falls under the class of people they were otherwise attacking.

[stepnw1f]

41. You are WAY OFF BASE HERE

Without getting nasty with you, I would like to clarify something about the intent of this thread. First off, I'm a registered Democrat. Far left? Maybe so..... irrelevant, and here's why:

My intent was to really question our party and it's unconditional support of Israel's military action in Lebanon. I also mentioned that I have a moral issue with the said "unconditional support of Israel's military action in Lebanon".

Questioning my party's "unconditional support of Israel's military action in Lebanon" is not an attack, but just a concern, and I had hoped others might have an answer as to why the Democrats might be so ardently behind "Israel's military action in Lebanon". Why not NEUTRAL?

NOW HOW DOES THIS HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH LIEBERMAN OR LAMONT or your opinions on either. You made your opinion of Lamont known, even though the thread has nothing to do with it... now start your own Lamont bashing thread.

[MrBenchley]

45. What a pantload....

"My intent was to really question our party and it's unconditional support of Israel's military action in Lebanon"
Unless it's mentioned that the far left's favorite millionaire shares that "unconditional support"......which is evidently verboten.

[stepnw1f]

46. WTF are you talking about?! You Feeling Ok? (nt)

[BooScout]

18. Not many for sure..and frankly neither is most of America.....

From the polls I have seen...the majority of Americans support Israel come hell or high water. The anti-American talk is reving up pretty good here in the UK as well as the rest of the world. America has almost no credibility left thanks to Bush.

[long_green]

34. A couple of weeks ago...

I watched Question time in Parliament on CSPAN2. I was struck by how many MP's, most of them Labour, got up to damn Israel for the savagery of their attacks on southern Lebanon. The denunciations were actually fairly low key.
What really got to me was the fact that no American politician could even think of making such a low key protest. It would be instant political death. Whatever one might say about the British system, you have to envy them their ability to state the obvious.

[warrens]

43. I think the Dems are letting the Repukes strangle slowly

They're playing politics, but in their place, I think I'd say, you broke it, you bought it, and let the Repukes take the heat. As you can see on this board, there is little or no upside to taking Hezbollah's side, which is EXACTLY how the Repukes would paint any lack of support for Israel.

[stepnw1f]

44. Excellent Answer

Thank you... I wondered this as well... but still have a problem with the support, even if a political tactic. I would rather like to see "neutrality' because it's fair and constructive. This may burn them politically in the future...