Killing People Is No Problem If You Apologize?

[DistressedAmerican]

Don't tell Charles Manson!

[Behind the Aegis]

1. I guess Nasarallah got the memo.

[DistressedAmerican]

2. The apology was to blunt criticism so they could keep killing.

Very sincere I'm sure.

Bet it made all of the victims of this Israeli assault feel much better. :puke:

I'm sure George;s heart felt condolences stopped the bleeding for someone trapped in the rubble.

[Behind the Aegis]

5. Most apologies are propaganda....

...but isn't interesting that people, especially some here, demand apologies or decry that none were issued. :crazy:

[manic expression]

8. What?

Israel murdered people. They made an empty apology and expected people to be OK with what they did. In this, Israel displayed unending amounts of disgusting behavior, as well as betraying their murderous aims.

Yet you try to deflect this toward DU posters....

[Behind the Aegis]

11. Apologies are almost always empty.

It was just what I said! Their apology was NO different than Nasarallah's!

[manic expression]

12. And?

the fact is that you are ignoring what Israel has done and will continue to do. The apology is empty, but their actions are what is worse and quite important.

[Behind the Aegis]

13. SO?

This thread was about HOLLOW APOLOGIES! Get a grip!

[manic expression]

14. Hallow apologies

apologies for a massacre which are completely empty and show Israel's real intentions. And you say "SO?"? That is simply ridiculous.

[Behind the Aegis]

15. What should they do?

Nothing Israel does would be good enough for you and your ilk. So, why do you even care that they issued an "apology?"

[manic expression]

16. They should

NOT bomb 60 civilians. They should NOT pound an entire country into oblivion. They should NOT oppress, murder and steal from entire peoples. They should try not punishing people and subjecting them to injustice.

That would help. Some decent behavior would be "good enough" for "me and my ilk", but decent behavior is an alien concept to Israel.

[Behind the Aegis]

17. Cheap propaganda.

[manic expression]

18. Is that supposed to be an argument?

Because it isn't anything close to resembling one. Try looking at the facts and then get back to me.

[Behind the Aegis]

19. No. Not an argument, a statement of fact.

All you employed was cheap propaganda.

[manic expression]

22. No, it was

an incorrect assertion that had no support whatsoever. In an argument, you must provide reasons for what you think, not baseless claims. Therefore, you don't really have a real argument to speak of. Just to clarify: your assertion is incorrect, mistaken, misled, delusional and wholly without any sort of support.

[Behind the Aegis]

24. You prior post (2 up) was nothing but dime-store propaganda.

[manic expression]

26. I know that you think it is

but it doesn't change the fact that it isn't. It doesn't change the fact that you have done nothing but assert mistaken and wrong claims without any reason. Delusion does not an argument make.

[UndertheOcean]

10. He is a great student of the Israeli Government.

n/t

[Divernan]

21. Uri Avnery, Irgun fighter turned peace activist comments on Nasarallah

This is an extremely powerful column - very difficult to choose parts to quote. He starts out discussing how Nasarallah survived 23 tons of bombs dropped on a site in Beirut where the IDF thought he was located.

www.arabnews.com/?page=7§ion=0&article=85834&d=24&m=7&y=2006
Nothing Good Will Come Out of This War
Uri Avnery, [e-mail]

(snips)
The killing of the man (Nasarallah) is a national (Israeli) aim, almost the main aim of the war. This is, perhaps, the first war in history waged by a state in order to kill one person. Until now, only the Mafia thought along those lines. Even the British in World War II did not proclaim that their aim was to kill Hitler. They wanted to catch him alive, in order to put him on trial. But successive Israeli governments have adopted a policy of killing the leaders of opposing groups. Our army has killed, among others, Hezbollah leader Abbas Mussawi, PLO No. 2 Abu Jihad, as well as Sheikh Ahmad Yassin and other Hamas leaders. Almost all Palestinians, and not only they, are convinced that Yasser Arafat was also murdered. And the results? The place of Mussawi was filled by Nasarallah, who is far more able. Sheikh Yassin was succeeded by far more radical leaders. Instead of Arafat we got Hamas.

A person returning here after a long absence and seeing our TV screens might get the impression that a military junta is governing Israel, in the (former) South American manner. True, we are a democracy. But in practice, today it is the top brass who decide all political and military matters. Chief-of-Staff Dan Halutz announced last week with satisfaction: “The army enjoys the full backing of the government!” That is also an interesting formulation. It implies that the army decides what to do, and the government provides “backing”. And that’s how it is, of course.

* * * * * * * *
A minimal understanding of mass psychology would suggest the opposite. The killing of hundreds of Lebanese civilians, belonging to all the ethno-religious communities, the turning of the lives of the others into hell, and the destruction of the life-supporting infrastructure of Lebanese society will arouse a groundswell of fury and hatred — against Israel, and not against the heroes, as they see them, who sacrifice their lives in their defense.The result will be a strengthening of Hezbollah, not only today, but for years to come. And not only in Lebanon, but throughout the Arab and Muslim world.

Faced with the horrors that are shown on all television and many computer screens, world opinion is also changing. What was seen at the beginning as a justified response to the capture of the two soldiers now looks like the barbaric actions of a brutal war-machine. Thousands of e-mail have circulated a horrible series of photos of mutilated babies and children. At the end, there is a macabre photo: Jolly Israeli children writing “greetings” on the artillery shells that are about to be fired. Then there appears a message: “Thanks to the children of Israel for this nice gift. Thanks to the world that does nothing. Signed: the children of Lebanon and Palestine.”

[Divernan]

23. Avnery's bio from Wikipedia - Israeli journalist & peace activist

Uri Avnery
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Uri Avnery also spelled Uri Avneri (Hebrew: אורי אבנרי), born September 10, 1923 in Beckum (Westphalia, Germany) as Helmut Ostermann, is an Israeli journalist and peace activist. He was a member of the Knesset from 1965 to 1973 and again from 1979 to 1981. As a youth, he was a member of the Revisionist Zionist paramilitary group, Irgun. In the 1948 Arab-Israeli War he was a fighter in the Samson's Foxes jeep unit (and also wrote its anthem). Afterwards, he wrote a book about the war, called "In the Fields of Philistia" (Hebrew:"בשדות פלשת ", Bi-Sdot Pleshet).

During the 1950's and the 1960's he was the publisher and chief-editor of Haolam Hazeh weekly magazine – an anti-establishment tabloid known for many sensational scoops. The formula seemed to work, as for many years it was Israel's leading alternative media publication.

He later turned to left wing activism and founded the Gush Shalom (Hebrew: גוש שלום, "the Peace Bloc") movement, which he leads up to this day.He is a devout secularist and strongly opposed to the Orthodox influence in religious and political life.

In 2002, a documentary directed by Yair Lev was made about Avnery's life entitled Uri Avnery: Warrior for Peace. Avnery is a contributor to the news and opinion blog LewRockwell.com.

[ClintonTyree]

3. It's the christian thing to do.

Confessing one's sins is the first step to redemption. :eyes: An honest, heart-felt apology squares it all with the amazing cloud being apparently.

[stepnw1f]

6. Not Just christian ...

every religion has it own washing the blood from their hands... on all sides. Yes... even agnostics and atheists.

[Mythsaje]

4. I'm pretty sure HE wouldn't apologize...

Considering that he's pretty much sabotaged his OWN parole hearings without any help from anyone else every time he came up.

[liberaltrucker]

7. DA, I must admit

Crow doesn't taste very good. While I don't waver in my
support of any nation to defend itself, this attack was
pure evil. How could Mossad NOT know there were civilians
in a FUCKING BOMB SHELTER!!!! And just where did IDF get
bunker busters??

Crow sucks, but an honest person must at time dine on it.

:puke:

[BillZBubb]

9. Israel's crocodile tears aren't fooling anyone.

Israel is a terror state and all the world sees it clearly now except Bushnuts and blind Israeli apologists.

[malaise]

25. It's really that simple

After Lebanon, I have no more tears for Israel.

[patrice]

20. . . . apologize and show sympathy for those innocents you've hurt.

Give everyone a big pity buzz and our actions become much more acceptable.

[Quantess]

27. Charles Manson

never killed anyone himself. He just conspired to kill, and sent his followers to kill people......much like B*sh & co.