Chavez/Ahmadinejad Meet in in Tehran

[digno dave]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060730/wl_nm/iran_venezuela_dc

Any comments regarding these self-proclaimed chums? I especially would like to hear from Chavez supporters.

[movonne]

1. Self preservation..what do you expect when we try and oust him...

Who would you think he is going to side with...does this make him bad, bad, and bad...bush is the one who has started all this war and it will not end until we are all killed...

[digno dave]

4. So when Bush sides with dictator X, Y, Z we will hear no complaints

from you?

[Judi Lynn]

5. Are you denying the support and funding Eisenhower and Nixon and Reagan

gave to the most vicious, bloodthirsty dictators the Americas ever witnessed?

You're barking up the wrong tree at D.U. Posters here have done their homework. You're not going to make any converts.

Go ahead and post your evidence on Hugo Chavez the "dictator."

[digno dave]

6. My evidence lies with my family

The live there, in Caracas. Their ideology has yet to engulf their pragmatism, unlike others.

[Judi Lynn]

7. Oh, yeah. Right. n/t

[digno dave]

21. See post #17

[Don Claybrook]

9. So did they try to overthrow him?

As far as I know, the only people in Venezuela who hate Chavez are the rich, the elite. Did your family want him overthrown by the US and their proxies? Sorry that didn't work out for them.


-Oh, and by the way, Rumsfeld hung out with Saddam.
-w's granddaddy was a nazi.
-w's daddy hung out with every murderous bastard on the planet.
-we continue to support some of the most murderous regimes in the world, and of course
-we ARE the most murderous regime in the world.

Now what the hell were you saying about Iran and their little crackpot? I'm sure you were aware that said little crackpot never would've been installed had the careful, 20-year push by moderates hadn't been shattered overnight by the Lil Fuckstick when he proclaimed Iran as part of the "Axis of Evil".

[digno dave]

13. yes, Bush is as much responsible for Ahmad... as anyone else

But, you're excusing bad behavior with examples of other bad behavior.

[EFerrari]

11. Does that mean, their moneybags are heavier than their conscience?

Unpack that for me. I can wait.

[EFerrari]

10. That you would call Chavez a dictator is predictable

but more importantly, boring.

Do you KNOW how many people like you this board has seen?

What do you call Junior?


lol

[digno dave]

14. Actually, i was refering to Ahmad...

Popularly elected, yes. But so was dubya.

[EFerrari]

15. The evidence points to no, Junior's elections were both

stolen. We know FL was in 2000; the people who've studied OH think it was also stolen.

See also: Mr. Conyers' "What Went Wrong in Ohio" Mark Crispin Miller "Fooled Again", the GAO report, Steve Freeman "Was the 2004 Presidential Election Stolen?" and so on.

Junior hasn't been elected once.

[digno dave]

20. true, but what's 1000 votes(2000) or 60,000(2004) when talking about

a country of 300,000,000? Enough peoiple voted for dubya to give him a legitimate claim, at the most. Enough fools in this country voted for him as it is.

[EFerrari]

23. Do some reading. You might regain some faith in your

fellow human beings. The numbers you have are the media's numbers and they are 'way under.

'Way, 'way.

[digno dave]

27. pick whatever ### you want. Are you saying Bush wasn't remotely

close to being elected? Of course he was.

[EFerrari]

30. Yes. That is EXACTLY what I'm saying.

Don't believe me, an anonymous poster on a huge board. Check out the lit I cited.

You decide.

And, btw, what evidence do you have that he was? You trust them? :)

[digno dave]

33. You're not giving the 2 party system enough credit

It's a given at least 35% of the population won't vote Democratic on principle alone. The other 10% who vote Repub are your typical clueless voters. There's 45% right there.

[stepnw1f]

2. So.... What's the Beef?

what do you want to know? The US does more biz with bad people than anyone else in the World. Do you hold this standard for your own country too or are you a hypocrite, cheery-picking?

[digno dave]

3. That's a pathetic justifcation

I hold my country to the same standard and call them on it when i see it. I expect the same from others. Call me dissapointed.

[patdem]

8. sorry dingodave...Chavez is POPULAR...bush is not...who are YOU

to decide the president of Venezuella..when WE cannot decide our OWN president? Chavez is POPULAR amoung the POOR...if your folks are amoung the rich..oh well...thems the breaks!

[digno dave]

17. I don't want Chavez overthrown

yes, he was elected and he is popular and he does great things for those people who have been ignored over the years, but does that excuse bedding with that thug Ahamadinejad without a hint of condemnation from supposed "progressives" here on this site.
Oh, and i didn't know going to school for years and training to be an Opthamalogist so you can stay in your home country and treat your fellow citizens is such a cowardly, hapless thing to do. Perhaps if my uncle had failed in this endeavor he would never have been successful and wound up, indeed, poor and destitute, as you so desire.

[Judi Lynn]

24. Reach for clarity. Take time to think. Why not read sometimes?

Who wants your uncle to be poor?

You're not making a lot of sense, but you already know that.

Why not take the time to get a firm grip on some facts and post at that time?

[digno dave]

25. according to you, only rich people hate Chavez

If he(my uncle) were poor then he would be a Chavez nut-hugger, and, consequently, a person of admiration from the likes of Judy Lynn!!! :applause:

[Judi Lynn]

31. The people who need help are the poor. Chavez's government

is making help possible.

Only true assholes would fight this.

[digno dave]

34. Yeah, i hate the poor

:applause:

[killbotfactory]

38. There are a couple things going on.

One, Iran is investing billions of dollars into Venezuela.

Two, Chavez believes in the sovereignty of nations. It wouldn't be in his nature to chastize a government unless it was infringing on a different government to operate. And it should be noted, Iran would have been much better off, progressively, today if the Iraq war hadn't happened, and which Chavez opposed.

And just because he deals with Iran favorably, doesn't mean he condones everything that goes on there.

[EFerrari]

12. Okay, disappointed. What standard are you talking about

exactly?

As far as we know, Hugo has never tried to kill our Resident.

How's that for a standard.

:hi:

[digno dave]

18. Is Bush the standard you use for a good leader?

again, you're better than that.

[EFerrari]

19. Sorry -- didn't quite catch you twisting my words.

:hi:

[stepnw1f]

16. But It Wasn't Meant as a Justification

see... that's where you are wrong. You need to approach this more honestly.

[digno dave]

22. enlighten me

[stepnw1f]

26. from your other posts

I can tell that would be impossible.

[digno dave]

29. cop out

typical

[EFerrari]

32. Typical flamebait bullshit provocation.

I'm sorry, Dave. I can't do that.

:hi:

[MyNameGoesHere]

28. zzzzzzzzz n/t

[killbotfactory]

35. They are both OPEC nations, Iran has invested billions of dollars into VEN

And they both find themselves being on the other side of US sabre-rattling. Is it that hard to understand?

Besides the fact that Venezeula has been dealing with Iran for a long time, before the Iraq war, and before the current Iranian guy was elected into power.

Also, The Iraq war helped the religious hardliners in Iraq. Chavez was opposed to it.

[DemsRBetterLovers]

36. Iran is almost self sufficient in military technology

Chavez may want some ideas.

[Selatius]

37. We don't have enough information to judge Chavez.

I would say Chavez doesn't look good by meeting with him, but I would've said the same thing 60 years ago when Franklin Roosevelt met with Joseph Stalin. Guilt-by-association alone is usually not enough to convict.

We will likely never know what went on in the talks between Chavez and Ahmadinejad, but I do have a hunch about what will happen.

My best guess is Chavez is developing a plan to derail the US if the US attacks Iran and throws the world oil markets into a storm. I would say that plan is halting all oil shipments to the US if war breaks out. Other countries may actually go along and suspend oil shipments to the US at least until a cease fire is established.